Are you in favor of a New World Order (world governance)?

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marymary1975 said:
Not at all, that is new age at its best and the entire concept belongs to the new age. You have to be very very careful with that.
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With all due respect Mary, global governance is a political theory about the state of internal relations and it is has always been essential to the balance of power globally, as well as to the protection of fundamental rights, national sovereignty and diplomacy. Examples from history are the Peace of Augsburg in 1555 which ended a catastrophic struggle between Catholic and Protestant nations over religion, The Peace of Westphalia in 1645, the Congress of Vienna in 1815 after the Napoleonic Wars, the League of Nations following the First World War and the foundation of United Nations following the Second World War.

This has nothing to do with the New Age Movement.

The OP asked whether we need a “new” order of “global governance”. The Catholic Church has being calling for this since the foundation of the UN in 1945, indeed Pius XII did so in 1944 before the fall of Nazi Germany:
"…An essential point in any future international arrangement would be the formation of an organ for the maintenance of peace, of an organ invested by common consent with supreme power to whose office it would also pertain to smother in its germinal state any threat of isolated or collective aggression.
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No one could hail this development with greater joy than he who has long upheld the principle that the idea of war as an apt and proportionate means of solving international conflicts is now out of date.
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No one could wish success to this common effort, to be undertaken with a seriousness of purpose never before known, with greater enthusiasm, than he who has conscientiously striven to make the Christian and religious mentality reject modern war with its monstrous means of conducting hostilities…"
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***- Venerable Pope Pius XII, Democracy and a Lasting Peace, 1944 ***
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The UN did not fulfil, entirely, the role that the Church envisioned for a post-war settlement in its social teaching. It still doesn’t, although the church has ever supported its ideals and recognised it as a vast improvement on what came before. So in that respect, yes we do need a new form of global governance.

The impotency of the UN, deadlocked in the Security Council between the permanent members of the US, UK and France on the one hand vs Russia and China on the other, to deal effectively with the crisis in Syria has most definitely shown that we do need a new form of “global governance” to address the problems afflicting our world in the 21st century. The “world order” we have in place right now is quite frankly useless and well past its sell-by date.
 
And to anyone who believes that the phrase “new world order” is at variance with Catholic teaching, there is ample evidence in the papal encyclical which Venerable Pope Pius XII issued in 1939 at the beginning of the Second World War to suggest otherwise:
“…No, Venerable Brethren, safety does not come to peoples from external means, from the sword, which can impose conditions of peace but does not create peace. Forces that are to renew the face of the earth should proceed from within, from the spirit. **Once the bitterness and the cruel strifes of the present have ceased, the new order of the world ** must rest no longer on the quicksands of changeable and ephemeral standards that depend only on the selfish interests of groups and individuals. No, they must rest on the unshakable foundation, on the solid rock of natural law and of Divine Revelation. There the human legislator must attain to that balance, that keen sense of moral responsibility, without which it is easy to mistake the boundary between the legitimate use and the abuse of power…The blood of countless human beings, even noncombatants, raises a piteous dirge over a nation such as Our dear Poland…which has a right to the generous and brotherly sympathy of the whole world…With a heart torn by the sufferings and afflictions of so many of her sons, but with the courage and the stability that come from the promises of Our Lord, the Spouse of Christ goes to meet the gathering storms. This she knows, that the truth which she preaches, the charity which she teaches and practices, will be the indispensable counselors and aids to men of good will in the reconstruction of a new world based on justice and love, when mankind, weary from its course along the way of error, has tasted the bitter fruits of hate and violence…The Catholic Church…preaching fearlessly…the love of Christ demands with the zeal of a mother, stands as a blessed vision of peace above the storm of error and passion awaiting the moment when the all-powerful Hand of Christ the King shall quiet the tempest and banish the spirits of discord which have provoked it. Whatever We can do to hasten the day when the dove of peace may find on this earth, submerged in a deluge of discord, somewhere to alight, We shall continue to do…”
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- Pope Pius XII Summi Pontificatus (On the Unity of Human Society), October 1939
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Since the Tower of Babel, it is God’s will that we live as separate nations. Also, the NWO is of Satan, as in Revelation where no one can buy or sell without the mark, worldwide.
 
bsroufek said:
the NWO is of Satan, as in Revelation where no one can buy or sell without the mark, worldwide.
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That sounds more like Evangelical Fundamentalism, not Catholic Christianity, that you are preaching above. Our understanding of Revelation rests with Holy Mother Church, not the personal opinions of mid-20th century Protestant pastors from the USA obsessed with relating sacred writ to developments in the modern age that in fact have nothing to do with what the sacred authors had in mind.
 
No, I’m against consolidation of power. The best way to ensure freedom is to have power as widely dispersed as possible.

Note I am talking about man-made government here.
 
Over my dead body. Look at the mess the UN is. A more powerful organization would only be worse.
 
bsroufek said:
Since the Tower of Babel, it is God’s will that we live as separate nations. Also, the NWO is of Satan, as in Revelation where no one can buy or sell without the mark, worldwide.
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I always thought that God gave this back to His people at Pentecost, I mean there are numerous languages in the universal Church but we could go anywhere and the mass would be the same, kind of a shame we got rid of Latin in the West because it would be even easier. World Youth Day is a good example of the unified people.
 
Various popes in the past may have called for some sort of world government/governance, but as long as human beings are human beings (i.e., fallen), and as long as governments are formed and headed by human beings, a “world government” is not going to work, period. Any thinking that it will work is a pipe dream. “World government” will not work until Jesus is personally on the throne.
 
DaveBj said:
Various popes in the past may have called for some sort of world government/governance,
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Not just popes have called for it; I recall hearing in a documentary about St. Francis Xavier that he believed that a world unified by a Catholic government was a necessary precondition of the Second Coming of Christ.

I also know that, on a continent-wide scale, the Church already has a patron saint of a united Europe; Queen St. Hedwig of Poland.
 
Right now with all the different independent countries, I do not see how an anti-Christ could arise and be accepted and followed by all the world. However once the world got used to having a one world leader, the world would be psychologically primed for the anti-Christ.
 
Deus_tecum said:
Right now with all the different independent countries, I do not see how an anti-Christ could arise and be accepted and followed by all the world. However once the world got used to having a one world leader, the world would be psychologically primed for the anti-Christ.
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I agree, right now it does seem impossible, but when this happens, it will be after some type of MAJOR disaster, on a worldwide scale, such as yellowstone in the US blowing its top, or some event that would impact a majority of the world population, then this person(antichrist) would come out of this and be seen as a savior, he will also have supernatural powers, so this alone will convince 90% of the worlds population that he is indeed a ‘God’.
 
mikekle said:
I agree, right now it does seem impossible, but when this happens, it will be after some type of MAJOR disaster, on a worldwide scale, such as yellowstone in the US blowing its top, or some event that would impact a majority of the world population, then this person(antichrist) would come out of this and be seen as a savior, he will also have supernatural powers, so this alone will convince 90% of the worlds population that he is indeed a ‘God’.
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Over the years whenever the subject “mark of the beast” comes up I have said, "When that happens the world will be in such a chaotic state that most people will ask for and accept any measure that makes them feel more secure, and one of those measures would be the mark of the beast. With new Christians I have asked if they would take a microchip implant that was ordered on a worldwide basis, and they at first say “no.” When I say that they would not be able to buy, sell, or earn from a job, they take back the “no” and say “I would take the implant so my kids would not starve.”
 
JRKH said:
Yes - AMEN - Alleluia…The new age when REV 21:1-7 shall come to pass and there shall be “a new heaven and a new earth…” and God will dwell with us…

Dear Lord come and bring in this new age.

Peace
James
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Ok, you win. 😃
 
Deus_tecum said:
Over the years whenever the subject “mark of the beast” comes up I have said, "When that happens the world will be in such a chaotic state that most people will ask for and accept any measure that makes them feel more secure, and one of those measures would be the mark of the beast. With new Christians I have asked if they would take a microchip implant that was ordered on a worldwide basis, and they at first say “no.” When I say that they would not be able to buy, sell, or earn from a job, they take back the “no” and say “I would take the implant so my kids would not starve.”
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You’re assuming two things that I think are debatable;

(1) that the part of the book of Revelation dealing with the “mark of the beast” describes future events, and

(2) if it does, that buying and selling will be necessary to feed yourself and your kids.

To answer (1), I would cite CCC 2113, which describes the Beast as being a person from the past that Catholics refused to worship, implying but not explicitly saying it was the emperor Nero.

To answer (2), I would offer the example of poor people throughout history, many of whom rarely encountered currency except to pay taxes. I can easily see that poor people at the time of such a “mark” (if it were in the future) would be exiled from a money-based economy; but still able to eat based on either subsistence farming, some sort of food bank or welfare system, or being fed (albeit very poorly) in prison.
 
DaveBj said:
Absolutely not, unless Jesus Christ Himself is physically present and ruling directly, not through any human agency.
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A human, New World Order type of government would be appalling. It would most likely be exceptionally corrupt and those in power would be milking the resources of the planet to benefit themselves and vested interests. If that ever happened then I would think we could safely assume that Satan had complete control over our planet.
 
Brendan_64 said:
A human, New World Order type of government would be appalling. It would most likely be exceptionally corrupt and those in power would be milking the resources of the planet to benefit themselves and vested interests. If that ever happened then I would think we could safely assume that Satan had complete control over our planet.
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As opposed to now?:rolleyes:
 
ssancho said:
As opposed to now?:rolleyes:
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Fair point, but at least now he hasn’t got complete control. You have a ‘world government’ and I think you would find that any ideologies, including religions, whose aims were deemed to be in opposition to the aims of the world government would be outlawed and their followers persecuted. Perhaps that is what the Third Secret of Fatima alludes to?
 
Vouthon said:
And to anyone who believes that the phrase “new world order” is at variance with Catholic teaching, there is ample evidence in the papal encyclical which Venerable Pope Pius XII issued in 1939 at the beginning of the Second World War to suggest otherwise:
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The catholic church has repeatedly said that the new age is against catholic teaching and masonry is against catholic teaching. The new world order is new age as it is the final goal of the new age of Aquarius: is to fully control the control the world.
 
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