Are you Saved?

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Check out the Phillipian Jailer in the Acts of the Apostles. He responded to the direction: Believe in the Lord Jesus and you shall be saved. He believed and was saved and his whole family.

Then there is the thief on the cross beside Jesus. Jesus said they would be in paradise that day. Apparently trusting Jesus was enough. The malefactor was saved without any works of righteousness.

See also: Ephesians 2:8-10 for the salvation formula.

Want that blessed assurance? See John 10:1-18.

Peace,

James Least
 
Check out the Phillipian Jailer in the Acts of the Apostles. He responded to the direction: Believe in the Lord Jesus and you shall be saved. He believed and was saved and his whole family.

Then there is the thief on the cross beside Jesus. Jesus said they would be in paradise that day. Apparently trusting Jesus was enough. The malefactor was saved without any works of righteousness.

See also: Ephesians 2:8-10 for the salvation formula.

Want that blessed assurance? See John 10:1-18.

Peace,

James Least
Obviously the thief demonstrates faith in Jesus. The thief did a work.
“Then one of the criminals who were hanged blasphemed Him, saying, “If You are the Christ, save Yourself and us.” But the other, answering, rebuked him, saying, “Do you not even fear God, seeing you are under the same condemnation? And we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds; but this Man has done nothing wrong.” Then he said to Jesus, “Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.”” (Luke 23:39-42).
Jesus declares faith to be a work. “Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?” Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent”” (John 6:27-28).
 
I’m trying to work up my apologetics after being shut down by a protestant guy who was walking around trying to take down Catholics at a pilgrimage site (Our Lady of Lourdes Grotto, Mission, B.C.). Well, I decided to go on a protestant apologetics site to see what they’d probably ask if I ever encounter one again and I’m stumped at how to refute them I’m mainly concerned on the first question.
“Are YOU saved or Lost? See I Cor. 1:13. Rom 8:1”

1st. Cor. 1:13:
“Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?” Rom. 8:1 “There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.”

***In replying to any scriptural debate with non-Catholics we MUST understand that there understanding is different [and therefore wrong] in every case where it is translated with a view not held by the RCC. “OSAS” Is NOT biblical and salvation is always a process with multiple steps required. That is what Christ taught and what we hold as truth.
  1. WHY? Here are four reasons: 1. The keys to the gate [singular] to heaven are given to and remain with the RCC and no one else. [Mt. 16:19, Acts 20:28, Rom.13:2, John 20:19-22] 2. Because of this ONLY the RCC is warranted by Christ Himself to be enables to translate the bible with the FULLNESS of the singular truth, one truth ONLY per issue, [Jn.14:6, Rev. 3:7, Jn. 14:16-17, Jn.17:15-19. Luke.22:29 to 30: Jer.3:15] 3. The bible gives many warnings about the HIGH risk of self interpretations, [2nd. Peter 1: 16-21, Matt.13:9-12 , 2nd. Tim. 3: 16, Eph.3: 9 to 12, 2 Peter 3: 14 –17 …ALL of these understand that there is always ONLY One God; One set of Faith believes and Only One Church” taught in the bible. 4. That the Bible is a Catholic Book, therefore only Catholics are enabled by God to be able to teach it fully and correctly. The RCC birthed the bible and it would be many HUNDREDS of years before a competing Christian Faith came into existence.
  2. Always agree on a minimum foundations for such discussions: Rule 1 “no one part of the bible can contradict another part of the bible. And still be true and a correct understanding. ” Rule 2. Seldom does a single passage tell the entire teaching.
  3. Do not permit them to set the foundation for the discussion. It will always be either wrong , misunderstood, or in correctly applied.
  4. The correct Catholic response to the question #1 is “Yes I am saved AND I am in the process of being saved.”
BY virtue of the four Sacraments of initiation into the RCC; ALL founded by Jesus: Baptism: Jn.3:5, Mk. 16:16; Confession/ Reconciliation Jn.20:19-23; Eucharist Mt. 26, Mk. 14, Lk.22: Jh.6, and 1st. Cor. 11; Confirmation Jn.20:19-22, Acts 9:17, 2 Tim. 1:6, Heb. 6:2.

Baptism is required in order to become a child of Christ and a “signed” member of the community. Confession and forgiveness of sins is an ongoing requirement as Mortal sin; unconfused and unforgiving as Christ commands is a ticket to hell. Eucharist is the single greatest source of grace available to humanity and a Catholic Church exclusive, as is Confession. While not an “absolute necessity” it is by GRACE that salvation becomes possible. And Confirmation because of the indwelling of the HS is made possible.
These are NOT the ONLY necessary things but the primary, necessary things. Knowledge of who Christ actually is; WHAT CHRIST HIMSELF teaches; [mans version of Christianity with there “I know more and or, I know better” teachings are NOT going to get one to heaven when the TRUTH of Christ is available to them.] Knowledge of the commandments and what they command in entirety is essential [Mt. 19:17]. Obedience to those placed in charge by Christ Himself: Mt. 28:19-20, John 20:19-22, Acts 20:28, and Rom. 13:2], and the law of Charity and love: Jn. 1:14.

The idea that anyone can devise there own way and not conform to what Christ Commands is simply foolish. It is NOT what ones uses in quoting the the bible that is ESSENTIAL; it is a PROPER and FULL and CORRECT understanding og what ia actually meant:)

God Bless,
Pat***
 
Hello, I’m trying to work up my apologetics after being shut down by a protestant guy who was walking around trying to take down Catholics at a pilgrimage site (Our Lady of Lourdes Grotto, Mission, B.C.). Well, I decided to go on a protestant apologetics site to see what they’d probably ask if I ever encounter one again and I’m stumped at how to refute them.🤷 Here is the site:
ovrlnd.com/FalseDoctrine/101questions.html

I’m mainly concerned on the first question. There’s also more where that came from, but I would like to learn bit by bit.

I did search “Are you saved.” on Catholic.com. but it was for refuting a person with a different bible passage in mind.

Thanks for all your help!🙂
According to our Roman Catholic Religion …Aren’t we all saved each time we go to confession and receive Holy Communion? That is how I understand it. Protestants believe once saved always saved…, but I tend to disagree with that…Every day all of us commit sins and that is the reason why we (Roman Catholics) have Holy Communion and confesstions (daily and/or weekly) To save our souls.
 
Hello, I’m trying to work up my apologetics after being shut down by a protestant guy who was walking around trying to take down Catholics at a pilgrimage site (Our Lady of Lourdes Grotto, Mission, B.C.). Well, I decided to go on a protestant apologetics site to see what they’d probably ask if I ever encounter one again and I’m stumped at how to refute them.🤷 Here is the site:
ovrlnd.com/FalseDoctrine/101questions.html

I’m mainly concerned on the first question. There’s also more where that came from, but I would like to learn bit by bit.

I did search “Are you saved.” on Catholic.com. but it was for refuting a person with a different bible passage in mind.

Thanks for all your help!🙂
I agree with saved, being saved and hope to be saved. I also would ask on “whose authority”, also where is Sola Scriptura taught, reframe the conversation to pillar and foundation of truth, the mystery hidden for all ages, and the history of this belief.
 
Someone mentioned the verse in Philippians where Paul commanded us to “work out our salvation with fear and trembling.” If you keep reading, you will see “it is God who works in us…”. So salvation is not a matter of us doing, but God. For salvation is of the Lord.
And if you read along even further, you will see the whole verse which reads, “God is the one who, for his good purpose, works in you both to desire and to work.” (Phillipians 2:13)

This is exactly consistent with Catholic doctrine of salvation, that it is by the Grace of God, through faith (desire) and works (manifestation of the fullness of faith).

And, if you read just a bit further, you will see Paul’s exhortation to those works… "Do everything without grumbling or questioning, that you may be blameless and innocent, children of God without blemish in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine like lights in the world."

-Tim-
 
. . . .I’m mainly concerned on the first question. There’s also more where that came from, but I would like to learn bit by bit.

I did search “Are you saved.” on Catholic.com. but it was for refuting a person with a different bible passage in mind.
Quote from my post 107 to James Least on the Origin of the Baptist Church thread arguing against salvation by faith alone through grace alone. Link: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=593809&page=2

"James,
Actually, I said we have to consider the New Testament as a whole— all of Scripture:

**The phrase faith alone does appear verbatim in James Chapter 2, which clearly states we are not saved by faith alone, and faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
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James 2: 24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. Please read the entire Chapter for context.

**I’m glad to see that you are citing passages of Scripture. However, none of the passages you cited say we are saved by faith alone through grace alone.

As I said before, I don’t believe in a “works” salvation. Christ accomplished our salvation on the cross. So, yes we have been justified by faith----but that is not all Holy Scripture says about salvation.

Being a doer of the word and perseverance are also factors in our salvation. **

James 1: 22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. 23For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks intently at his natural face in a mirror. 24For he looks at himself and goes away and at once forgets what he was like. 25But the one who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and perseveres, being no hearer who forgets but a doer who acts, he will be blessed in his doing.

When Jesus sent out the Apostles, he warned them of the persecution they would face and said the one who endures to the end with be saved. Again, we find "perseverance."

Matthew 10:
22 and you will be hated by all for my name’s sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.

Baptism, the circumcision made without hands–which brings us into Covenant with God-- also plays a role in our salvation. Through Baptism, our sins are forgiven. We are buried with Christ in baptism, in which we are also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead.

Acts 2:
38 And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Colossians 2: 11 In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead.

The Lord’s Supper also plays a role in salvation and is connected with having life in us and being raised to eternal life.

John 6: 52 The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” 53So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.


**James, I urge you to read all of these passages in context. A thorough reading of the New Testament–beginning to end–will help put things into context.

So, from these passages, we find faith, being doers of the word, perseverance, Baptism, and the Lord’s Supper are all connected to salvation. Again, I will stress that it is through Christ that we are saved–it is through His ultimate Sacrifice that we are saved. So, I am not advocating a “works salvation.”**

Continued----Part 2 of 2 Next Page.
 
Acts 2:38
  1. Repent
  2. be baptised in water
  3. Receive the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking tongues
  1. Don’t sin.
  1. Make use of the Sacraments given by Jesus Christ to His Church, especially Confession and Holy Communion, since they are the means of grace.
  2. Obey the Church, for Jesus told the Apostles, “What you bind on earth is bound in Heaven; what you loose (set free) on earth is loosed (set free) in Heaven.” Our Pope and his Bishops are the successors of the Apostles, and what they bind us to do, God requires that we do, and what they free us to do, God frees us to do.
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Acts 2:38
  1. Repent
  2. be baptised in water
  3. Receive the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking tongues
Please show us where in the Bible it states #3. I see gift of the Holy Ghost, but nothing about “with the evidence of speaking in tongues”.
 
Please show us where in the Bible it states #3. I see gift of the Holy Ghost, but nothing about “with the evidence of speaking in tongues”.
The Gifts of the Holy Spirit are Wisdom, Understanding, Knowledge, Right Judgement, Courage (also called Fortitude), Piety (also called Prayerfulness), and Awe (or Fear) of the Lord.

The Fruits of the Holy Spirit are love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, generosity, gentleness, chastity, modesty, and self control.

These are the things that show the evidence in our lives that we have received the Holy Spirit. Speaking in tongues is not actually a requirement. 🙂
 
Please show us where in the Bible it states #3. I see gift of the Holy Ghost, but nothing about “with the evidence of speaking in tongues”.
How could anyone have known that the Samaritans had not received the Holy Spirit in Acts 8 ?
 
How could anyone have known that the Samaritans had not received the Holy Spirit in Acts 8 ?
Please show me where in Acts 8, it states that they received the Holy Spirit with evidence of speaking in tongues. That is anincorrect assumption commonly made by Pentecostals.
 
Please show me where in Acts 8, it states that they received the Holy Spirit with evidence of speaking in tongues. That is anincorrect assumption commonly made by Pentecostals.
How could they have possibly known that the Samaritans had not received the Holy Spirit ? What is your answer to this question ?
 
How could they have possibly known that the Samaritans had not received the Holy Spirit ? What is your answer to this question ?
Maybe because they were not showing evidence of the Gifts of Wisdom, Understanding, Knowledge, Right Judgement, Courage (also called Fortitude), Piety (also called Prayerfulness), and Awe (or Fear) of the Lord.

Or maybe because their lives were not producing the fruits of love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, generosity, gentleness, chastity, modesty, and self control.

These are the things that show the evidence in our lives that we have received the Holy Spirit. Speaking in tongues is not actually a requirement. 🙂
 
Maybe because they were not showing evidence of the Gifts of Wisdom, Understanding, Knowledge, Right Judgement, Courage (also called Fortitude), Piety (also called Prayerfulness), and Awe (or Fear) of the Lord.

Or maybe because their lives were not producing the fruits of love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, generosity, gentleness, chastity, modesty, and self control.

These are the things that show the evidence in our lives that we have received the Holy Spirit. Speaking in tongues is not actually a requirement. 🙂
But how would they have known whether they had wisdom in such a short time for instance ? The indication in the passage, is that it was something instant, an instant knowledge that they had not received the Holy Spirit. Also, if someone chooses not to exhibit the fruits of the Spirit, that doesn’t mean that they don’t have the Holy Spirit !
 
The gifts that you mentioned are things that can happen gradually over time. The indication in the passage, is that it was something instant, an instant knowledge that they had not received the Holy Spirit. Also, if someone chooses not to exhibit the fruits of the Spirit, that doesn’t mean that they don’t have the Holy Spirit !
In the same way, someone who has the gift of tongues (which St. Paul tells us is the least of the gifts) might not choose to use it all of the time. (I haven’t prayed in tongues in several years, myself.) So, the fact that they weren’t, at that specific moment, praying in tongues, also doesn’t really mean anything.

The Apostles were the Apostles, though - they probably had gifts of discernment even greater than St. Pio, or St. John Vianney. The text of the Scriptures doesn’t tell us how they knew.
 
In the same way, someone who has the gift of tongues (which St. Paul tells us is the least of the gifts) might not choose to use it all of the time. (I haven’t prayed in tongues in several years, myself.) So, the fact that they weren’t, at that specific moment, praying in tongues, also doesn’t really mean anything.

The Apostles were the Apostles, though - they probably had gifts of discernment even greater than St. Pio, or St. John Vianney. The text of the Scriptures doesn’t tell us how they knew.
The gift of tongues is instant though ! It’s what happened at Pentecost and to Cornelius and others when they received the Holy Spirit. When someone speaks in tongues, it is instantly known that they have the Holy Spirit.

The only logical explanation is that they spoke in tongues because we have other instances in the book of Acts where others received the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues.
 
I tried this once on a Protestant trying to bait me on a sunny summer afternoon as I was standing outside our abbey’s door waiting for Vespers. He had been in, visited, huffed, and said it was “all the work of men, not the work of God, only scripture is from God”.

I replied “I see. I gather you’re very fond of scripture; so are we, and we have a special way of reading it called Lectio Divina. Do you have access to the Internet? I suggest you look it up, you’ll be fascinated, we don’t only read scripture we meditate on it. I’m sure you’ll like it and you’ll see familiar verses from a fresh angle.”

That’s all. No attempt at argument, no attempt to match verse for verse. Just planting a small seed, betting that most of the Lectio information he’ll find will be from sound Catholic sources.

The nice thing was that he took the bait, and promised me he would look it up, then left.
 
The gift of tongues is instant though ! It’s what happened at Pentecost and to Cornelius and others when they received the Holy Spirit. When someone speaks in tongues, it is instantly known that they have the Holy Spirit.
But since it is the least of the gifts, and since we don’t all receive the same gifts in equal measure (some are teachers, some are workers) the fact that someone doesn’t have the gift of tongues in no way means that they don’t have the Holy Spirit. So, the Apostles still needed some other way to know.
The only logical explanation is that they spoke in tongues because we have other instances in the book of Acts where others received the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues.
Actually, while it is certainly one logical explanation, it is not the only logical explanation. There are other reasonable explanations - such as that the Apostles had the spiritual gift of discernment. 🙂
 
But since it is the least of the gifts, and since we don’t all receive the same gifts in equal measure (some are teachers, some are workers) the fact that someone doesn’t have the gift of tongues in no way means that they don’t have the Holy Spirit. So, the Apostles still needed some other way to know.

Actually, while it is certainly one logical explanation, it is not the only logical explanation. There are other reasonable explanations - such as that the Apostles had the spiritual gift of discernment. 🙂
If their is nothing to discern, how would they have known that they had the gift of discernment ?

1 Corinthians 1:7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Someone who has the Holy Spirit has all the gifts, but speaking in tongues is the obvious sign that someone has the Holy Spirit. Paul spoke in tongues although it is not described in the book of Acts.
 
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