Are you still against gay marriage!? READ THIS TRACT!

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lilheart17:
While there is some slippery logic in the posting, I can’t help but think that some of it is accurate. College students of the same sex share apartments and pets and can be best friends. As far as I know, the Catholic Church has no problem with this. The problems only arise when sex is brought into the equation.

Also, if two people truly love each other, what is the problem with that? Love is a good thing and they should be allowed to love each other. People are not going to become homosexual if marriages are legalized because it still is taboo and they are not going to want to subject themselves to prejudice unless they feel that they have no other choice.

What is wrong with living in a world where people are free to love whom they want? And who are we to judge anyhow?
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ONLY when sex is brought into the equation? Anyone who’s ever had sex can tell you it usually changes the relationship between two people profoundly when it is ‘brought into the equation’ as you say.

Sex is an important, powerful, elemental, life-changing and relationship-changing force. It is designed to be so. It has the potential to create new life! It’s far too important to be so dismissive.

‘If two people truly love each other’. ‘I should be free to love who I want’. Heartily agree. It’s the other things that are equated with love - sex and marriage in particular - that cause the problems.

You see, I love my parents, my siblings, grandparents, baby nieces and nephews … bosses and co-workers, teachers and students, priests … I’m pretty sure at least some of these people love me too.

Does that mean I should be permitted to have sex with any or all of them? Marry any or all of them (polygamy anyone?) What if I love my pets? Why shouldn’t I be allowed to marry them too? Here’s a hint - if something is taboo then there’s usually a darn good reason for it.
 
lilheart17 said:
Also, if two people truly love each other, what is the problem with that? Love is a good thing and they should be allowed to love each other. People are not going to become homosexual if marriages are legalized because it still is taboo and they are not going to want to subject themselves to prejudice unless they feel that they have no other choice.
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What if those people are brother and sister, father or daughter? What if the women is the husband 3rd wife? Or if one of them is 14 and the other is 24?

The thing is, no matter what happens on this issue, they can’t have what we have in the sacrament of marriage. They can have a piece of paper, what is the point.
 
Eh, I don’t know that we can dismiss that tract entirely. We know as Catholics that it is wrong and that its writer probably shouldn’t treat such a serious issue with flippancy, but still, those 11 points represent what a lot of people really think. We have to respond to people who honestly think that way with love, and show them why they are wrong in love.

God bless.
 
lilheart17 said:
What is wrong with living in a world where people are free to love whom they want? And who are we to judge anyhow?
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Love is an action, not a feeling. Two homosexuals can never engage in the act of love making. As a woman my sexuality can not be replaced by the use of another orrafice or through manual stimulation, through homosexuality or heterosexuality.

Also love is never free. Love is probably only free is you attempt to steal it from someone. Love requires for you to give a part of yourself emotionally and expressed through physical acts i.e. sex through our sexual body parts. This is again to people of the same sex can not participate with each other.

We do not hate persons with same sex attraction, if anything we are concerned and wish to help them remain chaste in their lives. We want them obey God’s natural laws, just as we want heterosexuals to obey God’s natural laws by respecting their sexuality’s procreative elements through marriage and understanding how fertility works.

It isn’t judging to speak the truth of our bodies, and understand the emotional and physical qualities of sexuality. We speak, because of the tantilizing lies that evil causes so much pain in this world.

How many unborn children have died due to “free love”?

How many children and their mothers have been abandoned and left fatherless due to “free love”?

How many people have contracted sexually transmitted diseases and suffered pain, suffering, infertiltiy, and even death due to “free love”?

I sorta of get the feeling that you are college, and I remember it is rought being surrounded by such lofty ideas while on the college campus. But the college campus isn’t reality, it is a place of theory. Probably many theories with the belief we don’t want to harm.

No one wants to hurt other people’s initial feelings, but we have a greater duty not to harm people physicially, long term emotionally, and also spiritually. No matter how much they might at first not like what we say, we love people too much to give them a “free” pass. We must speak the Truth on these matters.
 
Could we get some more pictures of people raising their hand? I am laughing my butt off over here.
 
The Presidents agree…

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…and one abstains because he’s laughing too hard…
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We seem to have Higher Authority raising their hands all right…:eek:

http://www.sju.edu/sjupress/pages/SG_html/GodFatherAndHolySpiritBig.jpg

And from the Cloud of Witnesses…

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http://www.ayletmarcharbel.org/images/StFrancisofAssisi.jpg

Even the Protomartyr himself…

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Even the Forerunner and Our Lady…
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Even the Famed writer of the Gospel of John, 1, 2, 3 John and the Apocalypse, Saint John the Apostle and Evangelist agrees.
http://perso.orange.fr/maurice.lamo...titian_st._john_the_evangelist_on_patmos4.jpg
 
That tract is preaching to the choir, plain and simple. Yet put “polygamy” in for "gay marriage, and look at how many arguments against polygamy simply drop out as irrelevant.

Yet gay marriage proponents run when you point out that there is not a single argument for gay marriage that cannot be made in favor of polygamy, and many arguments in favor of polygamy that cannot be made in favor of gay marriage. Gay marriage proponents are staying a hundred miles away from supporting polygamy, and even oppose polygamy, either because they see it as a sinking boat or because they have “prejudices” about what marriage is all about, themselves!

So much letting everybody follow their own conscience and the idea that the truly moral fight for civil rights that they don’t believe exist. What a load of self-satisfied hogwash.
 
Traditional_Ang said:
You’re far better off inviting them to debate you here, under the rubrick that they can say what they want so long as they can support it and that they aren’t allowed to call us bigots and homophobes or any other creative names they can think of because we disagree with them and support traditional marriage and the definition of marriage as sacramental union between a man and a woman for the purposes of representing the union of Christ and the Church to society at large and of raising families in the Church and in society.
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As an openly gay atheist who doesn’t very much care for the Church’s teachings on homosexuality or gay marriage, I definately agree with this. This place is great for debating this stuff.
 
I’m confused on this issue and asking honestly for an explanation. I am against gay marriage because I think it’s immoral, just as I am against straight people who make a mockery of marriage (like your excellent example of Britney Spears). Morally, marriage is hard work, which is proven by the fact that so few people do it well.

My question is, why would gay people want to marry? My best male friend growing up was gay and he and his partners used to laugh at the idea of marriage or any long committment. The gay couples I knew much preferred their single lifestyle: no shared bank accounts, no mother-in-laws, no screaming babies, no mating for life. Just sex and friendship until either the sex or the friendship was not good anymore, and then they’d move on to another partner. This philosophy of being financially and morally unattached seemed to pervade the 80’s and 90’s. What happened? Is it only for the financial benefits? (that seems like a shallow reason) Why do so many gay couples now insist on the legally and socially acceptable title of “married” when they seem to despise straight people who are married?
 
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