Are you under the CURSE of God?

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†Peace be with you!

God says:

“You shall have no other gods before Me.”

“You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.”

“You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not leave him unpunished who takes His name in vain.”

“Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.”

“Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be prolonged in the land which the LORD your God gives you.”

“You shall not murder.”

“You shall not commit adultery.”

“You shall not steal.”

“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.”

“You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife or his male servant or his female servant or his ox or his donkey or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”

With these Ten Commandments, I greet you, my friends, and you brothers and sisters in Christ.

And I would like to begin my first post with a very practical topic: Are you under the CURSE of God?

In fact, I believe all apologetics are vain unless they intend to be practical and in the service of Truth.

Therefore I would like that we all think seriously about the Ten Commandments mentioned above, and then think about the following words of our God:

“Cursed is he who does not confirm the words of this law by doing them.” ( Deuteronomy 27:26 )

And let’s think about the following question:

AM I UNDER THIS CURSE?

In Love,
Yaqubos†

theophilus_agape@hotmail.com
 
Dear YAQUBOS,
Code:
I do not claim to be an apologist, but I'm inclined to say NO, based on several things including:
Romans 8:1-4:
Hence, now there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has freed you from the law of sin and death. For what the law, weakened by the flesh, was powerless to do, this God has done: by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for the sake of sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, so that the righteous decree of the law might be fulfilled in us, who live not according to the flesh but according to the spirit.
We are not perfect, and cannot completely fulfill both the letter and the spirit of the law, so without Jesus I would think we would all be under the curse. With Jesus we can all be saved. Just shooting from the hip, that’s my first reaction.
Code:
Welcome to the board.

Alan
 
YAQUBOS said:
†Peace be with you!

God says:

“You shall have no other gods before Me.”

“You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.”

“You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not leave him unpunished who takes His name in vain.”

“Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.”

“Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be prolonged in the land which the LORD your God gives you.”

“You shall not murder.”

“You shall not commit adultery.”

“You shall not steal.”

“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.”

“You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife or his male servant or his female servant or his ox or his donkey or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”

With these Ten Commandments, I greet you, my friends, and you brothers and sisters in Christ.

And I would like to begin my first post with a very practical topic: Are you under the CURSE of God?

In fact, I believe all apologetics are vain unless they intend to be practical and in the service of Truth.

Therefore I would like that we all think seriously about the Ten Commandments mentioned above, and then think about the following words of our God:

“Cursed is he who does not confirm the words of this law by doing them.” ( Deuteronomy 27:26 )

And let’s think about the following question:

AM I UNDER THIS CURSE?

In Love,
Yaqubos†

theophilus_agape@hotmail.com

I am having trouble figuring out what the point of this post is.

Are you taking a shot at the Catholic church because of graven images?:confused:

Are you saying that Catholic Apologetics is not trying to show you the truth?:confused:
 
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YAQUBOS:
Peace!

Dear friend, Jimmy: I was clear. I just want that we think about the question I’ve put in the end of my post.

Dear AlanFromWichita, what do you mean by the following:

Love,
Yaqubos†

theophilus_agape@hotmail.com
OK, I understand.

Everyone sins. You can not make your self perfect, but Jesus died to save us from our sins. As long as I am trying to quit my sins and try to become more Christ like and I admit to what I have done and accept what Christ did for me on the cross, then no I am not under the curse of God.
 
Peace!
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jimmy:
As long as I am trying to quit my sins and try to become more Christ like and I admit to what I have done and accept what Christ did for me on the cross, then no I am not under the curse of God.
Trying to quit your sins and trying to become more Christ like: how can you do this?

Love,
Yaqubos†
 
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YAQUBOS:
Peace!

Trying to quit your sins and trying to become more Christ like: how can you do this?

Love,
Yaqubos†
We cannot quit our sins by ourselves - to think we can is prideful. We can only accomplish this with the help of the Holy Spirit and His Glorious Fruits.
So pray for help and that He will assist us in becomming more Christ like.
 
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YAQUBOS:
Peace!

Trying to quit your sins and trying to become more Christ like: how can you do this?

Love,
Yaqubos†
How? I don’t know what kind of answer to give you.

You can not be perfect and without sin, but you can try with all your heart and all your strength to do as Christ has told us to do. Sin is something that we can avoid, and as long as you are trying to avoid sin you will be fine. You have to live your faith and if you truely love Christ with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength, you will follow his commandments.

I am not saying I am perfect and do not sin. I am just saying that I am trying.
 
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YAQUBOS:
Peace!

Can anyone ( even non-Christians ) ask for the help of the Spirit and become good? Are non-Christians under this curse?

Love,
Yaqubos†

theophilus_agape@hotmail.com
You have to live your life according to what you know of God. No one can be good because only God is good.

We can not judge the non christians because we do not know where they are in Gods eyes so you can only leave that to God.
 
Peace!
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jimmy:
You can not be perfect and without sin, but you can try with all your heart and all your strength to do as Christ has told us to do. Sin is something that we can avoid, and as long as you are trying to avoid sin you will be fine. You have to live your faith and if you truely love Christ with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength, you will follow his commandments.

I am not saying I am perfect and do not sin. I am just saying that I am trying.
To try to do the commandments of Jesus:
Well, what if you don’t live fully according to the commandments of Jesus?

And by the way: what is the difference between the commandments of Jesus and the commandments of the Old Testament?

Love,
Yaqubos†

theophilus_agape@hotmail.com
 
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YAQUBOS:
Peace!

To try to do the commandments of Jesus:
Well, what if you don’t live fully according to the commandments of Jesus?

And by the way: what is the difference between the commandments of Jesus and the commandments of the Old Testament?

Love,
Yaqubos†

theophilus_agape@hotmail.com
I am not saying you have to be perfect and successful. I am saying you have to try. No one lives fully to the commandments but that is no reason not to try.

The commmandments of Christ are pretty much the same as those of the OT. But some of Christs are a little more strict. Like the OT said you shall not commit adultery. Christ said you shall not lust after a woman because you have committed adultery in your heart. The OT said you must offer a decree of divorce, Christ said you shall not divorce.
 
Peace!
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jimmy:
I am not saying you have to be perfect and successful. I am saying you have to try. No one lives fully to the commandments but that is no reason not to try.

The commmandments of Christ are pretty much the same as those of the OT. But some of Christs are a little more strict. Like the OT said you shall not commit adultery. Christ said you shall not lust after a woman because you have committed adultery in your heart. The OT said you must offer a decree of divorce, Christ said you shall not divorce.
Well, if the commandments of Jesus are more strict than the commandments of the Old Testament, then what do you think about the following curse on those who don’t keep all the commandments:

“Cursed is he who does not confirm the words of this law by doing them.” ( Deuteronomy 27:26 )

Love,
Yaqubos†
 
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YAQUBOS:
Peace!

Can anyone who is not good enter Heaven?

Love,
Yaqubos†
All good comes from God. No one is good in and of them self. Christ said, “Why do you call me good, only the Father is good.”

Yes, someone who is not perfect can get to Heaven. The desire to be pure is a requirement though.
 
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YAQUBOS:
Peace!

Well, if the commandments of Jesus are more strict than the commandments of the Old Testament, then what do you think about the following curse on those who don’t keep all the commandments:

“Cursed is he who does not confirm the words of this law by doing them.” ( Deuteronomy 27:26 )

Love,
Yaqubos†
I agree with it.

I am curious what side of this you are on. Do you think we must foolow all the commandments or do you think that we do not have to follow them?
 
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jimmy:
All good comes from God. No one is good in and of them self. Christ said, “Why do you call me good, only the Father is good.”

Yes, someone who is not perfect can get to Heaven. The desire to be pure is a requirement though.
  1. As you quote Jesus as saying that God is good, then do you think Jesus is not good?
  2. If it’s not essential to be perfect to get to Heaven, then why does the Apostle Paul say:
    “For the wages of sin is death” ( Romans 6:23 )
“for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” ( Romans 3:23 )

Love,
Yaqubos†
 
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YAQUBOS:
And I would like to begin my first post with a very practical topic: Are you under the CURSE of God?

In fact, I believe all apologetics are vain unless they intend to be practical and in the service of Truth.

Therefore I would like that we all think seriously about the Ten Commandments mentioned above, and then think about the following words of our God:

“Cursed is he who does not confirm the words of this law by doing them.” ( Deuteronomy 27:26 )

And let’s think about the following question:

AM I UNDER THIS CURSE?

In Love,
Yaqubos†
Yaqubos:

Good question. When we sin, we beget evil. That evil is not self-contained; that is, merely reflective upon the evil-doer. Yes, this is the curse of sin, since the first. So, let’s go beyond the Decalogue. What is sin? What is Truth? The Israelites had Moses, Joshua, the Judges, and ultimately the scribes and the Pharisees to interpret the Law, since in practice, the Torah, which contained it, was not sufficient for every question, not self-interpretive. They needed a physical, earthly authority they could go to to settle disputes and answer questions regarding God’s commands. Therefore, Our Lord commanded obedience to the established authority, even though they themselves failed in practice.
“The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat; so practice and observe whatever they tell you, but not what they do; for they preach, but do not practice.” (Mt 23: 2-3)
So even those with a God-given authority sinned…were “under the curse” of sin; but by the words of the Son of God, their authority was to be respected, and obeyed.

Now then, there are those who call themselves Christians, and, for example, condone/support abortion and euthanasia. They consider these practices, not to be a violation of the Fith Commandment, but to be acts of mercy. Who decides? Who can teach what is True with authority?

If you do not recognize a sin as sin, is the sin itself less efficacious? Did God leave us to be our own interpreters of His will? Does the Holy Spirit give one “truth” to one person, and another “truth” to the next? Who do you know has the Truth when they both quote Scripture and claim the guidance of the Holy Spirit?

And finally how can I remove the curse of sin if I, imperfect sinner that I am, once having sinned and been forgiven, fall into sin again. Do I assume God’s forgiveness? Why did the Son of Man forgive sins, and give that power to his Apostles? Was this not necessary? Not important? Is it not a gift of demonstrated humility and divine assurance?

We have been given the necessary gift of authority, and the sacraments. We have not been left orphans, shifting on sand. We have a Rock. None should live “under a curse.”

God bless.

jb
 
YAQUBOS said:
1. As you quote Jesus as saying that God is good, then do you think Jesus is not good?
  1. If it’s not essential to be perfect to get to Heaven, then why does the Apostle Paul say:
    “For the wages of sin is death” ( Romans 6:23 )
“for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” ( Romans 3:23 )

Love,
Yaqubos†

I can not answer every question as to who will get to Heaven I do not know, but since all sin, and the bible says there will be people in Heaven I can assume that you do not need to be perfect in order to get to Heaven.

But the other side is that Jesus also says that it is very dificult to enter Heaven. He tells the rich man that he must follow the commandments in order to get to Heaven. James says that faith without works is dead. It also says that everything will be accounted for. So we can assume that we must do good to get to Heaven.
 
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