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aidanbradypop
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Ben,
I have been to a LCMS service and it was very nice, but one can also hear the Gospel vigorously and correctly at Mass as well.
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I have been to a LCMS service and it was very nice, but one can also hear the Gospel vigorously and correctly at Mass as well.
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Tomster
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Thanks for the advice. I may get around to it one day.
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Tomster
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On second thought, I’ll just wait until world-wide Lutheranism becomes unified.
In regards to my sinful life, not to worry. The Mrs. keeps me well informed all about it. My pastor is always available to hear my confession before morning Mass so I can receive Holy Communion worthily. Absolution is guaranteed.
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Tomster
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By the way, what standards and by what authority have you determined that my life is sin-filled?
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Tomster
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Moderators . . . . where are you?
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benjohnson
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Sorry, I didn’t mean as a personal accusation. Only that for myself, I keep wallowing in sin. All people that I know well live in sin and struggle. It was a mistake on my part to extrapolate that to anyone else.
That you don’t fall short in the Lord is something that I only seem to be able to strive for.
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Tomster
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Accepted!
Thank you!
Oremus!
Lord, pour forth thy grace into our hearts in Jesus’ Name.
Amen
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benjohnson
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Yes! You are quite right and I’m glad for it. I’ve noticed that here in Seattle, with the new Archbishop, a renewed vigor and preaching.Ben,
I have been to a LCMS service and it was very nice, but one can also hear the Gospel vigorously and correctly at Mass as well.
I was probably reacting to the accusation that my church is perhaps ‘rudderless’ - it could be debated that we’re headed in the wrong direction, but our course has been very sure. We think we’re headed toward the cross, and we do our best not to take side trips.
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benjohnson
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I’m happy to report that we are the world-wide unified evangelical catholic “Lutheran” church
I fully realize that from the Catholic point of view, our LCMS claim is preposterous - we’re a tiny spec. Be we advance, and must advance, an affirmative claim for ourselves or there is no reason for use to continue. It would be a charade.
From our viewpoint, and without speaking to Catholic claims to be the the one Church that Christ founded, The LCMS claims to be the church as in the Nicene Creed.
If we didn’t think this… we’d have to immediately find the one Church that Christ founded.
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Denise1957
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Why would you believe that the Gospel is not proclaimed correctly at a Catholic Mass?
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Brandall
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Why would you assume that he thinks the Gospel is not proclaimed correctly at a Catholic Mass? That is not part of what he said.
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Denise1957
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Because I can read what he wrote.
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Brandall
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It might be what he meant, but I don’t think so. Regardless, he didn’t say that.
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Denise1957
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I’ll wait for him to answer the question, thank you.
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benjohnson
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I don’t think I said that, and if I did, than I would be incorrect and I apologize. I’m advancing the idea that the LCMS is not rudderless and a good way of showing that is in our consistent proclamation of the Gospel.
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Denise1957
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Like his predecessor, Archbishop Sartain teaches what the Catholic Church teaches. I don’t know what you mean by the term, “vigor.” Do you mean that when the Gospel is preached, as I hear it every Sunday at Mass, that it shouldn’t be preached in a calm and clear manner? Rather, should it be preached with drama, fanfare, and emotion? Does this somehow make it more real?
The Gospel is properly preached at a Catholic Mass. It is taken directly from Sacred Scripture. Often the priests’ homily will provide further reflection on the scripture passage.
If Protestants preach the Gospel at their Sunday services, that’s really good, because it lines up with Catholic tradition (liturgically speaking) to do so.
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benjohnson
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We had Archbishop Hunthousen here - he tolerated practices that in my opinion were quite contrary to Catholic teaching. What I saw in the Catholic church here in Seattle was such that I never gave it consideration when I was agnostic. My opinion of the situation was perhaps confirmed when the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, investigated the situation and changed the situation for better.
From what I can see, the renewal of the Catholic church in America is strong, and for that I give thanks.
My mistake… I don’t mean acting ability at all. I mean deeply meaningful and unwavering message that is relevant and yet timeless. Theses are affirmative traits that I’m advancing without diminish your claim to the same. I will say that when I bring my Catholic friends to my church, our liturgy and sermons are well received.
I would certainly say that without the Word and Meal, we would have nothing.
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benjohnson
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Ah… we’ve been talking across each other.
What you have call preaching the Gospel, is what we would call reading the Gospel. It’s during the homily (or sermon) that we would say that our Pastor especially preaches the Gospel - the sermon almost always reflects either the reading or the events in liturgical calendar
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benjohnson
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To be fair to Denise1957, one could say that I imply that the preaching(homilies) in the LCMS to be better than in the Catholic Church.
If this is true it need not cause alarm. For Catholics, one can always hear an excellent Catholic homily from a different parish or cathedral over the many forms of communication we have now days.
I will point out too that there’s a danger in really good sermons as well - if we become too wrapped up in the preaching, we could lose sight of the primary importance of the eucharist.
I think we all have seen this in some of the protestant churches where the preacher’s cavorting has become the focus of the service and perhaps has displaced God.
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Denise1957
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My mistake. A reader (usually a layperson) reads the Gospel…rather than preaches it. But the priests’ homily isn’t always directly related to the Gospel reading, though it often is. I leaned far more about Scripture when I began attending a Catholic Mass than I ever did as a Protestant. But that’s just me. Different people have different experiences.
I happen to live in a Lutheran neighborhood (which was nicknamed ‘Snoose Junction’ when I lived here in the 70’s. You probably know the area of Seattle I’m referring to). My neighborhood Lutheran church had, for a long time, written on its sign out front, “open and affirming,” which is fairly common for the Protestant churches around here. But that’s never, of course, been a policy of the Catholic Church in the neighborhood, which has been here for a long time.
You’re right about Ap. Hunthousen (which you mentioned in a different post). The Church always has, and always will have bishops who veer away from Church teaching (human nature being what it is). But the Church herself still properly teaches the Dogmas of the faith…as it always has.
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