Argentina kicks Bishop Williamson out of the country

[Wintersdemise]

This has gotten out of hand. Can you imagine this reaction if a Jewish person made an anti-Catholic comment?

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**Argentina expels Holocaust bishop **

Richard Williamson’s views on the Holocaust
Argentina has ordered an ultra-traditionalist British bishop who denies the Holocaust to leave the country or face expulsion.

The interior ministry said Richard Williamson had been given 10 days to leave Argentina.

Earlier this month the bishop was removed from his post as the head of a Roman Catholic seminary in Argentina.

A row erupted in January after the Pope decided to lift Bishop Williamson’s excommunication on an unrelated matter.

The Vatican said the Pope had been unaware of Bishop Williamson’s views and had since ordered him to recant.

Argentina’s interior ministry said on Thursday that Bishop Williamson “has concealed the true motive for his stay in the country”.

Bishop Williamson had been based at a seminary in La Reja

He had said he was an employee of a non-governmental group rather than declaring “his true activity” as the director of a seminary, the ministry stated.

Bishop Williamson’s views on the Holocaust have provoked outrage.

“I believe that the historical evidence is strongly against, is hugely against, six million Jews having been deliberately gassed in gas chambers as a deliberate policy of Adolf Hitler,” he said in a recent interview for Swedish TV.

The controversy made headlines worldwide after the Pope lifted an excommunication order on the bishop and three of his colleagues who were appointed by a breakaway archbishop more than 20 years ago.

Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, who died in 1991, had rebelled against liberal reforms in the Church, such as the ending of the Latin Mass.

Pope Benedict later met American Jewish leaders at the Vatican in a display of solidarity with victims of the Nazi genocide.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7900591.stm

 

[Seamus_L]

That’s because a Christian is never supposed to make an accusation against a Jew, or question an accusation made by a Jew.

 

[Kearney]

I agree that this whole Holocaust denial thing has gotten way out of hand. Does the Church now believe that it is an article of faith that 6 million Jews died in the gas chambers? How can they force Catholics to hold this viewpoint when it is completely un related to religion?

At the same time, it was extremely unwise and unnecessary for bishop Williamson to have been going around making all kinds of irresponsible comments about things completely unrelated to religion. He is a real “Don Imus type” who loves to shoot off his mouth all the time and make the most bizarre statements. This is bad considering that he is a representative of the SSPX and people will taker his own personal views as those of the Society in general. Also the poor Pope is now suffering greatly do to his comments. While Williamson is English, Benedict is German so the issue of anti Semitism effects him more and causes harm to the Church.

Williamson may not have uttered heresy but his remarks have caused much harm to the Church and the trad movement. He should really retire to a secluded monastery somewhere so as to be out of the public eye.

 

[TheDoctor]

At the same time, it was extremely unwise and unnecessary for bishop Williamson to have been going around making all kinds of irresponsible comments about things completely unrelated to religion. He is a real “Don Imus type” who loves to shoot off his mouth all the time and make the most bizarre statements. This is bad considering that he is a representative of the SSPX and people will taker his own personal views as those of the Society in general. Also the poor Pope is now suffering greatly do to his comments. While Williamson is English, Benedict is German so the issue of anti Semitism effects him more and causes harm to the Church.

WHOA WHOA hold the phone here pal. How DARE you say something like this!

I like Imus.

 

[KestrelRose]

That’s because a Christian is never supposed to make an accusation against a Jew, or question an accusation made by a Jew.

Christ has called us to higher standards of behavior than the rest of the world.

It doesn’t bother me when the world expects us to behave in a more intelligent way than what is normally seen around.

This tells me that the world expects more of Catholics and it is my hope and prayer that I personally don’t disappoint them.

 

[Lainey63]

It seems harsh. I wonder how much of it has to do with the fact that some of the top notch Nazis fled to Argentina after WWII?

 

[Lujack]

It seems harsh. I wonder how much of it has to do with the fact that some of the top notch Nazis fled to Argentina after WWII?

Exactly. I think Argentina is rather squeamish about Holocaust revisionists considering that popular culture associates them with Nazis hiding out in the country.

 

[Lujack]

That’s because a Christian is never supposed to make an accusation against a Jew, or question an accusation made by a Jew.

Do you agree with Bishop Williamson? Because people of all faiths have testified to the horrors of the Holocaust, including a saint.

 

[redrosetea]

I think Williamson is looney, but I defend his right to believe what he wants without being persecuted for it

I think they should just ignore him…He doesn’t deserve to be hounded out of a country for petes sake…This is a Nazi tactic if you ask me

Once you start doing this to people you disagree with where will it end?

 

[IrishDude45]

Bishop Williamson may not have an accurate view of history, and he should not be running his mouth about things not related to faith and morals, but to kick him out of the country?! Seems a little harsh. Are we going to round up all the holocaust deniers or anti-Semites and kick them out of their respective countries now?! Somebody warn Mel.

Pax Vobiscum

 

[I_Believe]

Perhaps for his penance, he could serve in a janitorial capacity at Bishop Mahoney’s Cathedral.

Just kidding, I’m in a weird mood.

 

[Eucharisted]

Let us pray for the bishop and for Argentina

 

[nsper7]

Exactly. I think Argentina is rather squeamish about Holocaust revisionists considering that popular culture associates them with Nazis hiding out in the country.

I agree here. I mean, it does seem quite extreme to expel someone from your country for simply saying something that offends; however, it seems he has made a lot of trouble with his comments, which are actually denials of the Holocaust, not just of the use of gas chambers, and he appears to refuse to recant his statements (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Williamson_(bishop)#Holocaust_denial_and_controversy)).

It appears he is not an Argentine citizen, so the government has every right to expel him (as opposed to if a person is a citizen and, thus, has certain right connected to their citizenship). Think about it: you are the government of a country that has been smeared historically as being a safe-haven for Nazi leaders and then some guy starts making public comments about the Holocaust and drawing fire from all over the place and the person is not even a citizen of your country. Would you not consider giving him the boot in order to avoid a scandal and people accusing you (again) of being a safe haven for Nazis and their sympathizers?

 

[HOPEFUL_IN_UK]

Exactly. I think Argentina is rather squeamish about Holocaust revisionists considering that popular culture associates them with Nazis hiding out in the country.

Yup. It even showed up on the show Seinfeld: the “Soup Nazi” had to run off to Argentina after Elaine put him out of business. LOL

I find this whole affair very ugly. But, he’s not a citizen of Argentina and they have the right to expel him.

What I find particularly disturbing is the sort of sentiments I’m reading out there on message boards and the blogosphere. I’ve always had a problem with the SSPX because of the antisemitic sentiment I’ve heard coming from that direction. I’ve considered it one of the primary symptoms that there is something fundamentally wrong with the organization. I’m surprised how many people seem to support it. If that’s what Traditionalism and the Latin Mass is all about, I’m not sure I can support it.

 

[603304529]

Yup. It even showed up on the show Seinfeld: the “Soup Nazi” had to run off to Argentina after Elaine put him out of business. LOL

I find this whole affair very ugly. But, he’s not a citizen of Argentina and they have the right to expel him.

What I find particularly disturbing is the sort of sentiments I’m reading out there on message boards and the blogosphere. I’ve always had a problem with the SSPX because of the antisemitic sentiment I’ve heard coming from that direction. I’ve considered it one of the primary symptoms that there is something fundamentally wrong with the organization. I’m surprised how many people seem to support it. If that’s what Traditionalism and the Latin Mass is all about, I’m not sure I can support it.

What is anti-semitism?

How does the SSPX display symptoms of anti-semitism?

How does the Latin Mass mindset, or traditional mindset display anti-semitism?

Can we please have definitions, before making accusations?

Thanks.

 

[ProVobis]

Williamson may not have uttered heresy but his remarks have caused much harm to the Church and the trad movement. He should really retire to a secluded monastery somewhere so as to be out of the public eye.

What’s Williamson got to do with the “trad movement”? Don’t all “movements” have someone who purposely or inadvertently step on some hornet’s nest?

 

[HOPEFUL_IN_UK]

What is anti-semitism?

How does the SSPX display symptoms of anti-semitism?

How does the Latin Mass mindset, or traditional mindset display anti-semitism?

Can we please have definitions, before making accusations?

Thanks.

I don’t need to explain to you or prove anything. This isn’t a trial. I’ve been paying attention for a few years, now. I know what sort of **** has been spewed by not only Williamson but quite a few adherents. I’ve seen it on sites like Angelqueen and Fisheaters. I’ve read it on the SSPX web site (although a few choice articles have been removed in the past couple of weeks… hmmmm… wonder why?)

It may be that you haven’t been paying attention and honestly are naive. But, if you are aware of what has been said and you are in any way excusing it or trying to pretend it’s anything other than what it is, then you are complicit in something very nasty and evil.

 

[603304529]

I don’t need to explain to you or prove anything. This isn’t a trial. I’ve been paying attention for a few years, now. I know what sort of **** has been spewed by not only Williamson but quite a few adherents. I’ve seen it on sites like Angelqueen and Fisheaters. I’ve read it on the SSPX web site (although a few choice articles have been removed in the past couple of weeks… hmmmm… wonder why?)

It may be that you haven’t been paying attention and honestly are naive. But, if you are aware of what has been said and you are in any way excusing it or trying to pretend it’s anything other than what it is, then you are complicit in something very nasty and evil.

Yawn. So, you’re saying that you cannot define anti-semitism.

Don’t go accusing me of naivety or imply that I am stupid, or imply me of being evil and nasty, just because I’ve asked you for a definition of anti-semitism, and for some proof that the SSPX or the trad movement is anti-semitic according to the defintion.

I’m only asking for a logical argument from you, instead of vague, viscious accusations.

 

[Black_Dog]

The only time I’ve heard the holocaust being questioned is from the British National Party - a group of neo-nazi fascist thugs.
It comes as a bit of a shock to discover that some Catholics appear to share their views Catholicism is most definitely turning out NOT to be what I imagined it to be

 

[DavidPalm]

The only time I’ve heard the holocaust being questioned is from the British National Party - a group of neo-nazi fascist thugs.
It comes as a bit of a shock to discover that some Catholics appear to share their views Catholicism is most definitely turning out NOT to be what I imagined it to be

Black_Dog,

Bishop Williamson expressed some stupid and uninformed views and he was immediately and very forcefully rebuked for it by the Pope himself. That rebuke is evidence that things are working as they should.

I honestly don’t see how that could be an obstacle for anybody who is considering converting to the Catholic Faith, unless the bar for conversion is that there aren’t any people in the Catholic Church with stupid and uninformed views on things. That standard she can’t meet, but the standard she can meet is that she is the Church established by our Lord Jesus Christ.

God bless,

David