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LOL! That was predictable.
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TheRealJuliane
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The present generation of doctors, the ones practicing now, are quitting in record numbers. The government is usurping incredible amounts of power over doctors, and will take even more control if this horrible law is allowed to continue. Already, doctors get next to nothing for treating Medicare patients. It amounts to doing charity work.
Think the National Health - that’s the quality we will have within a few short years.
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Seeker1961
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Do you have any actual statistics that prove that? My information is merely anecdotal, but among my family and friends I have not heard one person say that they have lost a MD recently or that those in the medical profession are leaving it because of the ACA. If an MD retires, you can’t automatically assume that it’s because of ACA.
I think medical professionals are like everyone else-some like the plan and some don’t and some of those reasons are actually about the plan and some are purely political.
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seekerz
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Really, and what would that have to do with a law that has largely not even been implemented yet?
What is incredible about regulating medicine? Give an example. You do understand that there’s an imbalance of power between doctors and patients simply based on knowledge? So the idea that they should be largely left to do their own thing does not take into account human nature.Define ‘next to nothing’. I know practices that survive (and provide employment for several people) based mainly on Medicare/Medicaid. It’s a matter of management (a skill doctors sometimes lack), priorities and expectations.
If you mean the NHS, I would love that. There is no evidence that their quality of medicine is any lower in the UK than here, despite rumors to the contrary. A person born here, has pretty much the same expectation of lifespan as a person born there; and that, on a population level, is a measure of standard of living - including quality of health care.
If you mean that our costs will be similar in a few short years, I personally can’t wait!
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ThinkingSapien
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That much of the content of the bill had been proposed before is a fact that wasn’t being hidden in any way. As for “slapping his name on it” if that’s referring to the phrase “Obama Care” that’s not a name that was coined by the president. It was a phrase that was coined and associated with criticisms for the bill. Obama embraced the term and went along with it after it had been coined. “You want to call it Obamacare — that’s okay, because I do care,” (CNN, Washington Post).
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Seeker1961
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The thing that I can’t figure out is why the SAME PLAN that was good for the people that wrote it and their supporters is now evil and the ruination of the country?
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ThinkingSapien
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My take, it’s not about whether or not the plan is good or not. It’s about ensuring that Obama doesn’t get a second term. Putting a positive label on anything that the president does would go against that goal. Health care is just one of the areas in which members of government have acted contrary to previous statements and stances. There are others.The thing that I can’t figure out is why the SAME PLAN that was good for the people that wrote it and their supporters is now evil and the ruination of the country?
There had been an education initiative that had been struck down because of the members in congress. The idea behind the education plan was to make higher education more affordable and available to students. The students would have the obligation of performing community service in exchange for tuition (so the benefactors of this plan would almost immediately be more than just the students).
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Seeker1961
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So a good health care plan that will help Americans is less important than making sure ONE person loses his job. Just like a good immigration plan was less important than handing a defeat to GW a few years ago. We have become so partisan in this country that the good of the people isn’t even a consideration anymore.
And people wonder my political status on Facebook has read “Disgusted” for the last several years.
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ThinkingSapien
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Then there was also the move to extended unemployment benefits (which can also impact one’s health care) to which there was opposition. Yes, concern for the people appears to be a secondary goal (assuming it is really a goal at all).So a good health care plan that will help Americans is less important than making sure ONE person loses his job. Just like a good immigration plan was less important than handing a defeat to GW a few years ago. We have become so partisan in this country that the good of the people isn’t even a consideration anymore.
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seekerz
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We don’t have a system comparable to the NHS and we won’t be getting one with Obamacare, so why focus on their statistics as opposed to OURS? How many people die unnecessarily here?
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That’s pretty much it. Like I said in a different thread today, if Romney wins, this EXACT same plan will become the greatest things since sliced bread. Repeal? Replace? Who are they kidding?So a good health care plan that will help Americans is less important than making sure ONE person loses his job. Just like a good immigration plan was less important than handing a defeat to GW a few years ago. We have become so partisan in this country that the good of the people isn’t even a consideration anymore.
And people wonder my political status on Facebook has read “Disgusted” for the last several years.
Yes, the common good seems to be only incidental to the really important work of winning political victories and selecting SC justices…
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garn9173
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I would suggest your friend read the comments of Justice Ginsburg. The left leaning Justice may have just showed her hand if the USCBB and ETWN make it to the SCOTUS.
nationalreview.com/corner/304316/health-care-law-s-religious-liberty-threat-remains-kathryn-jean-lopez
It’s on page 94 of the ruling:
huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/28/supreme-court-health-care-reform-ruling_n_1605393.html
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