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ACHAIA
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God bless you.
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Dianne2us
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No I didn’t read the whole thread, I didn’t have too.
When you responded to the teenie piece of the person’s post: “Contrary to what you think…” I thought Jeeze now that’s knit-picky, holier than thou, and condesending. You do much better sticking to the facts and replying to the complete piece as a whole. Sometimes picking it apart takes what the person is trying to say or the point he or she is trying to make out of context. It’s also over kill and showy, (okay we get you are a smart cookie). Reading a reply like that is like nails on a chalk board, (to me at least). It also fuels hard feelings.
Anyway, sorry everyone for not staying on subject.
Also, I’m an exCatholic…why? Because being Catholic wasn’t a good fit for me so I went elsewhere. I came here to this board to maybe learn something, not to argue that my chosen sect of Christianity is better than yours.
Also arguing religion Catholic vs Protestant is a no win situation. It’s like arguing as to what tastes better an apple or an orange. I guess that depends on the taster.
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ncgolf
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In reality you are still a Catholic if you were baptized in the Church. What you are is a non-practicing Catholic. You cannot undo what Baptism did to you so you are still a member of the Church.
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Sean_Boyle
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Actually Catholic vs Protestant in like arguing which is better water or gatorade.
You can add flavoring to the water to make gatorade but it’s still 98% water. Water is esential to life. The added flavoring to make gatorade, isn’t. The added flavoring just makes you feel better about drinking the water.
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Dianne2us
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I stand corrected.
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Dianne2us
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I don’t like gatorade, now if you said Koolade I may agree,Actually Catholic vs Protestant in like arguing which is better water or gatorade.
You can add flavoring to the water to make gatorade but it’s still 98% water. Water is esential to life. The added flavoring to make gatorade, isn’t. The added flavoring just makes you feel better about drinking the water.
It’s all about respecting each other.
There is one way to the father and that’s through the son and I think we are all in agreement there.
My father hadn’t been to church in twenty years, laziness maybe and all the other excuses one uses to not go on Sunday, but he considered himself a Catholic. When he was on his death bed and really more than out of it. The priest came in and prayed with him and as sick and out of it he was he still tried to make the sign of the cross, and although I had moved on to another church and am quite happy. I caught the priest leaving my father’s room and I made sure he had been given his last rites. I may not think its nesessary for my salvation but my Dad did.
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Church_Militant
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Try the Glacier Frost Gatorade. I hate the stuff, but I like that.I don’t like gatorade, now if you said Koolade I may agree,
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Grace_Seeker
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I don’t care whether a person is Catholic or Protestant. I have kids who are Protestant, Catholic, Buddhist, Muslim, Atheist, and non-practicing. I love them all. I care that people are searching for truth, and to grow spiritually. I think God is big enough to handle our differences. Though I have a particular point of view, I don’t insist that everyone hold to it. Indeed, though I am repeated told by my Catholic brothers on this forum, that my faith is lacking and I am at best seperated breathern. I still consider them fully my brothers and sisters in Christ without distinction. And if you tell me your are ex-Catholic, I’ll except your word for that, not try to tell you that you are something different than you declare yourself to be.No I didn’t read the whole thread, I didn’t have too.
When you responded to the teenie piece of the person’s post: “Contrary to what you think…” I thought Jeeze now that’s knit-picky, holier than thou, and condesending. You do much better sticking to the facts and replying to the complete piece as a whole. Sometimes picking it apart takes what the person is trying to say or the point he or she is trying to make out of context. It’s also over kill and showy, (okay we get you are a smart cookie). Reading a reply like that is like nails on a chalk board, (to me at least). It also fuels hard feelings.
Anyway, sorry everyone for not staying on subject.
Also, I’m an exCatholic…why? Because being Catholic wasn’t a good fit for me so I went elsewhere. I came here to this board to maybe learn something, not to argue that my chosen sect of Christianity is better than yours.
However, Dianne, with respect to my correction of Wisdom’s post, may I ask what exactly do you think you are doing with my post? You don’t think you are picking it apart? Harping on something rather small?
I simply asserted that it wasn’t Peter who made the decision in Acts 15. Scripture says that it was James who render the judgment. I thought no big deal. The poster probably made an honest mistake in recall. However, it evidently was a big deal to Wisdom who continued to insist, erroneously, that everyone got silent to listen to what Peter said as a means of validating himself. If someone seeks to make a point that I disagree with, but backs it up with reason or labels it as nothing more than personal opinion, I’m cool with that. Thus if people simply assert their opinion that the moon is made of green cheese, I just write it off as a person’s opinion. But when people claim it as fact because scripture says that the moon is made of green cheese and scripture actually says it is made of colby, you can bet I’m going to post a correction. And if you don’t like that, then you won’t like me.
But it seems you won’t let that little aspect of my character go uncommented on. And if that is how you really feel about me, then that is how you feel. I appreciate you telling me, and I will consider being aware that not all like to have such things pointed out. But for fingernails scratching on a blackboard type of irritation, in my book that is someone reporting scripture falsely and then using that falsehood to substantiate their point.
I also don’t very much respect a poster who says to me on our first contact, "Contrary to what you think… " when he knows nothing of what I think. He projected on to me ideas that I never even considered, and then attacked me for having them. In my book that is NOT teenie. And again, if you don’t like me defending myself against such false accusations, then you are going to like me very much, because I won’t be told what I believe, especially when it is not what I believe.
Yes, there is going to be one on every forum (hopefully more than one) who expects people to speak the truth.
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Dianne2us
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Your truth may be completely different from what someone else believes. The Bible is up for interpretation. Just because someone does not think the way you do you are going to rip them a new one in the form of a tedious, over stated, cross examining, argument.
“Okay everyone get out your newspaper and lay it on the table! Here comes Grace Seeker who is going to take their cleaning knife and filet your posts to pieces!”
Not everyone in the world is going to agree with you. By chance, are you an attorney?
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Dianne2us
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I may give that a try. My hubby works at a Ford assembly plant. You can imagine how hot in the summer! He drinks Gatorade. I can’t get past that slight salty taste.Try the Glacier Frost Gatorade. I hate the stuff, but I like that.
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ccfbob
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With Love and respect, I am curious, what wasn’t a good fit? Why? If it is personal, I do not want to be rude or prying, just curious. Maybe it would be a good subject for a new thread?Also, I’m an exCatholic…why? Because being Catholic wasn’t a good fit for me so I went elsewhere. I came here to this board to maybe learn something, not to argue that my chosen sect of Christianity is better than yours.
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Grace_Seeker
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And as I said, they don’t need to agree with me. But read Acts 15 and tell me if you think Wisdom spoke the truth. As to my profession, it is listed in my profile.
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Prof_54
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What you need is dialogue with a rational emphasis not an emotional one. I am a protestant and am very interested in catholic beliefs. The more we get to know each other the more we will see that we have much in common…
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lak611
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Grace Seeker, you are correct. I just went back and read Acts 15.
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Jerry-Jet
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Arguing with a close minded Protestant really is a waste of time.
God call us to be stewards of the precious resource known as time.
Don’t argue ceaselessly with people who have no intention of ever changing their views–persuade people who are persuadeable–that way you’ll rescue more people from Hell.
God call us to be stewards of the precious resource known as time.
Don’t argue ceaselessly with people who have no intention of ever changing their views–persuade people who are persuadeable–that way you’ll rescue more people from Hell.
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Dianne2us
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As a Non Practicing Catholic, Baptized anew in the Baptist church, I agree whole heartedly.
PS, Before anyone jumps on this… Its not that I am saying that my Catholic Baptizing wasn’t good enough, but it was a way for me to do it again by choice as an adult, (a Christian path is the one I want to follow) and also to become a member of that church (you need to be baptized to become a member of the church). The rules of that certain church that I belong to had a rule that you couldn’t teach a class if you weren’t a member and my other reason is I wanted to teach a little preschool religion class. So I had multiple reasons.
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Dianne2us
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It’s been 25 years since I have considered myself Catholic but I can still go to a mass, (funeral or wedding) and still paricipate like I never left, (the part of the mass that any regular church going Catholic memorizes, because it is said at every Sunday Mass).
Oh and before I give my reason, I will just warn everyone that if someone jumps on my post to argue I won’t reply because I have NO desire to argue religion with anyone, so have at it, but I will likely not be reading it so do not address it to me.
Ummm, I liked the service. My Pastor is an excellent speaker and teacher and you can’t help but learn. I remember in a Fathers Day service he went on to talk about a man he knew whose son was killed in a car accident, and that man went on to tell him how he would get on his son for working on his car in the driveway, getting oil on the cement and such, and how he would yell and get angry at his boy. He said he wished he still had that oil on his driveway. He went on to talk about his three little boys who all wanted to help him assemble a gas grill and how he started to get nervous because they are all under six and these little hands are grabbing nuts and bolts and asking a million questions (you have to know these boys, active does not describe them) and he felt himself begin to grow angry, until he thought about the father who lost his son. He said he suddenly didn’t care that assembling the grill was taking much longer than it would have taken without his little helpers. The pastor had to stop himself because he started to cry…Heck the whole congregation was crying… he then went on and applied the story to scripture.
Not every Service is like that but most of the time that insightful and interesting. You’d have to be a babbling imbecile not to learn something and take something away to apply to your life every Sunday. I also like the Sunday School for adults and the adult education offered every Wed night. Wed night you might study ACTS and the pastor goes thru every scripture passage of Acts and you go on Wed after Wed until that book is complete then he goes on to another book. On Sunday you are offered different Sunday school classes you can choose from, They take place an hour before the service. The are usual a 6 mo class, you may have “Women of the Bible” or Perhaps a class on the book of Revelations, and usually their would be a third choice and you can take any class that interests you.
I like the fellowship. I have yet to go into a Baptist church where at least 8-9-10 people don’t come up smiling and shake your hand and thank you for coming. Afterward people are slow in leaving cause their is always a friend you stay behind and catch up on. Once you get to know people it become a really warm and friendly place like every Sunday is a family reunion. We also have fellowship where everyone brings a dish to pass…yumm great feasts and sometimes it seems like we just think of reasons to get together just to eat…LOL!
The Pastor makes and effort to get to know you and if you miss a few Sundays he will notice and call you and ask if everything is all right. Not in an accusing way but in a concerned are you OK sort of way.
When my Dad died, he was Catholic but didn’t belong to a church and hadn’t been to mass in over 20 years. I made sure he had his last rights given and I made sure a rosery was said at the funeral; home but I asked my pastor to conduct his funeral in the home which he gladly did. He knew quite a few Catholics would be at the funeral so he made special care to include things in the funeral that a Catholic would know and would be able to participate, like he had us recite the Lord’s Prayer, and quite a bit of the funeral he discussed Chiristianity as a whole Catholic and Prodestant and the basic beliefs we all embrace. We had many people (Catholics) tell us what a beautiful service it was.
I had one cousin from canada that didn’t come to the service but wrote my mother a dirty note. She included in the note that she was going to have her Brother the priest (Priest underlined) was going to say a mass in “Poor Philippe’s” honor…sigh Nice thought cousin but the tone to her letter was caustic.
Anyway there are other more theological <sp?> reasons but most know basically what my church believes in…Anyway, that’s a good portion on my reason.
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ccfbob
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I agree with you, no arguments here. I was born Catholic, but lapsed into a Pagan lifestyle. Our family got introduced to a Born Again Christian Community where we live and we were fast out of the Church. We began attending a Calvary Chapel Fellowship. Good preaching, lots of fellowship, beautiful people, etc. I credit the Calvary Chapel Pastor in evangelizing me at a needed time in my life, but hearing the word in his church still sounded SO Catholic, it was spooky. And then I would go back to the Catholic Church and really listen to what was being said, and read the Missal, and all that I heard was so BIBLICAL…it was confusing
After about a year or two, I realized I was missing something. I started going back to the Catholic Parish in my area full time while attending Calvary Fellowship. I noticed something was missing in the Calvary Chapel. It was Jesus, really and substantially in the Eucharist. I could not leave Him. I returned 5 years ago after being a Cafeteria Catholic for 20 years. The whole experience has been a great blessing, and has brought me into an intimate relationship with Jesus. Praised be Jesus Christ now and forever!
God Bless.
After about a year or two, I realized I was missing something. I started going back to the Catholic Parish in my area full time while attending Calvary Fellowship. I noticed something was missing in the Calvary Chapel. It was Jesus, really and substantially in the Eucharist. I could not leave Him. I returned 5 years ago after being a Cafeteria Catholic for 20 years. The whole experience has been a great blessing, and has brought me into an intimate relationship with Jesus. Praised be Jesus Christ now and forever!
God Bless.
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SORROWS
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Nice post.
I like the part where you said you couldn’t leave Jesus. I feel the same way.
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Dianne2us
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Cafeteria Catholic, Ha! I like that saying.
Anyway, I was skimming through this thread and someone made reference to Protestants, born again people actually thinking they can do anything and still not fall from grace. That is not exactly true, there are many different churches that believe you can fall from Grace. It’s a hotly debated subject on the Born Again message boards. Baptists as a whole believe you can’t fall from grace, but me as an individual am not really sure. That is another reason I won’t argue religion, who can dig your heals in as your chosen faith is the only path, but all of us will find out what is truely what when we are one day standing in front of the throne of God. What does Calvary believe on this subject?
One thing I will comment on that the Catholic Church NEEDS to change, and that is that community wine goblet. wipe off with a linen cloth…(next person) wipes with a linen cloth. Yikes! If we ever have a dangerous epidemic like that bird flue could be. That cup will not be sharing in the blood of Christ but the cup of infection, or death if the mortality rate is high.
In my church when we have communion, which happens first Sunday of the month. Everyone stays in their seats and they first pass around the communion wafers, but you don’t pop them in your mouth until the Preacher explains the last supper and then everyone does it together…but that part is not really my point.
When it comes to the blood part. My church has these gold cup holder things. it is a gold plated disk with about fifty holes in each disk where itsy bitsy plastic cups fit. Everyone who can participate in this part of the service has their own little cup, so no sharing spit.
Now Catholics, tell me why this can’t be done in the Catholic church. Even if people still want to go up in line and partake in the blood, why can’t the cup barer hold the little disk thingy so everyone can chose their own individual little plastic cups of wine?
Keep in mind that when the church started, the members didn’t understand the concept of infection and germs, but we do.
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