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redneck22
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“got it right” He did, whether He did it in a lab or spoke it into existence is no help to the Theory of Abiogenesis or The Completely RidiculousTheory of Evolution
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tjm190
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There is no theory of abiogenisis, and your imaturity is not appreciated.
If God did in fact create life the way scientists would, it would not qualify as intelligent design- intelligent collecting of parts yes, but not design. As such, the creation of life by scientists would do no good for ID proponents.
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edwest2
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Evolution - today - right now, is a form of nature worship. People blissfully post that nature made me (for no particular reason), that nature evolved me (for no particular reason), and now that the human mind has learned so much - man will control nature.
The current great error is that man will create something in blindness. Our central, deadly fault will be ignored. For some, the mind of man is god. You can see it on buses and billboards: Man created God. Praise (a man named) Darwin. Evolve beyond belief.
Perhaps there are a few who are searching for legitimate answers to questions but it costs money to dig up fossils, feed and support the people involved and fund the research that follows. In the midst of a secular, non-God mind set that is being widely publicized, people should ask – Is the goal the truth? Or is it ideology? I see the science-which-is-silent-about-God/theBible being very not silent here.
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tjm190
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The evidence is never misrespresented in these cases- the phrase ‘might have’ is common when not all the data is availible- it’s called a hypothesis. You don’t need to take things on credibility.
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tjm190
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Have we not already gone over how knowledge being applied to a particular ideology does make that knowledge inherently a part of said ideology. Evolution proposes explanation for phenomena supported by observation. The fact that theists have choosen to reject it makes it an easy issue for atheists to press.
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redneck22
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Maybe I should have reworded it in accordance with the "poster child’ website for naturalists, Talkorigins, so is should be called The Real Theory of Abiogenesis
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Techno2000
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Ever notice how every couple sentences on a PBS TV nature show is… evolution this, evolution that , they seem go out of their way to shove evolution down peoples throats.
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wanstronian
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Yes, odd that. Maybe it’s because evolution is a scientific fact. Curse these educational documentaries!!
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Dharles_Carwin
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Its the paradox of creationism, they attack the very thing that sustains them… @ 6.30 mins on the following, video. Think about it creationists.
youtube.com/watch?v=sxtbcOEtpoE
They didn’t.
But then they also didn’t build a flying machine, they built a floating balloon.
I believe everyone here would readily agree that for whatever science may eventually advance to, it still must work with the materials that are present.
God however is not limited by this constraint.
If it were fact, couldn’t it then be proven without doubt?
The idea that evolution is any more then theory is dubious at best.
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Oreoracle
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More than a theory you say? You mean like the Theory of Gravity?
In science, a “theory” isn’t a doubtful claim made with little evidence, it is a well-tested explanation for a set of facts. As others on this forum have said, it’s the highest level of scientific achievement. There are no greater certainties in science than theories (except perhaps individual laws). So when anyone says “just a theory,” implying that there is anything beyond a theory, it shows that they know nothing of science.
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wanstronian
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You need to do some reading.
Darn it, Oreoracle beat me to it, and with a much more helpful response than I could be bothered to type
I never said otherwise. Nor do I imply anything with the proper use of the term.
If you are uncomfortable with the theory, then prove it and make it fact.
Else it is theory, not fact.
To imply or teach that the theory is fact is deceit.
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cassini
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Yes Ed, this is a deliberate campaign to eliminate God from the minds of man. If one could write the script for Lucifer one could not have improved on the theory of evolution, made possible by the way by Copernicanism, the first victory of fallible human reasoning over infallible revelation. Be aware without a solar system there was no extrapolation, only to God as Creator. But with the capitulation to the Copernican heresy the way was open for ‘scientific’ extrapolation. Example: how could a geocentric universe evolve? no way, had to be created. How did a solar system evolve? Well look at history. It produced the Nebular theory and the Nebular theory could be extrapolated back to a Big Bang that completed the Evolutionary theory of Lucifer, everything evolved from the beginning… A COMPLETE system to replace God with. And you know what, it was CATHOLICS, even POPES who conceded to it, then supported it. Brilliant from Lucifer’s point of view, ATHEIST propaganda supported by churchmen? Now you know why Jesus called Satan the ‘FATHER OF LIES’. That guy can fool anybody. He used ‘science’ to break the defences of the Catholic Church.
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Dharles_Carwin
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I take it you failed to understand his response. In science theories are greater than facts. Facts are then a penny, theories bring the facts together. In essence a theory is an explanation of the facts. The theory of evolution explains the fact of evolution.
The position that a “theory” can be proved making it a “fact” shows a lack of understanding of even the most basic science. This goes some way to explaining why you reject evolution, you simply don’t understand it, or sceince. This is not a bad thing most people don’t ubderstand it, but in order to debate the subject one should have a basic understanding of it.
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reggieM
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It is curious because they don’t do the same thing for gravity or meteorology. But we do get a lot of propaganda supporting evolution. But all of this shoving Darwin down people’s throats hasn’t worked too well …
Majority of Britons say creationism SHOULD be taught in schools
I thought intelligent design and creationism was an American-only phenomenon. Oh well, I guess we need more evolution education in England also because the people there must not know anything about Darwin.
The More They Know Darwin, The Less They Want Darwin-Only Indoctrination
When the poll is weighted to include only those respondents who have heard of Charles Darwin and know something about his theory of evolution, the percentage supporting alternate theories increases, from 60% to 66% in Britain and 60% to 64% in the U.S.
Oops. The more Darwinian propaganda that people get, the more they reject it. Too bad!
Well, we can be sure that evolutionists have figured this out and they’re going to address the crisis.
Head of the British Council’s Darwin Now program Fern Elsdon-Baker said, “Overall these results may reflect the need for a more sophisticated approach to teaching and communicating how science works as a process.”
Certainly, a more sophisticated approach … perhaps it would be best to ridicule intelligent design theory even more and then laugh at people who actually believe in God. Those might help creationistic idiots and morons understand that Darwinism is true. Plus, if you want atheistic-evolutionists to say nice things about you, then you should believe and accept everything they say – of course!
So, there are many good ways to convince people about evolution. I mentioned two great ways – ridiculing and mocking people who accept a teleological understanding of nature.
But you could also say things like this:
- You don’t know anything about science
- You ought to try to read a book
- Obviously, you’re totally ignorant
- Only an idiot would say that
- Are you joking?
- People who are criticial of evolutionary theory believe in sky-fairies
- There are no flaws in evolutionary theory
- Everyone who knows anything about science accepts evolutionary theory
- Scientists who question evolution are not really scientists
- Evolutionary evidence is never misrepresented
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humble_maid
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Science proves theory through certain **chosen **facts but there might be room for alternative theories that can be discovered and explain the same phenomenon; of course these alternatives must have a scientific basis in itself; meaning that it too must be proven. Theories have been changed, debunked and sometimes are expanding through greater scientific insight.
Certain evolutionary principles have been established and mainstream science has been indoctrinating our children eversince despite the many controversies and insufficient proof. These particular principles are those that will eventually be debunked and a new theory will emerge with greater scientific data and insight. Mainstream science against true science.
So for those who do not believe all that evolution proposes, it is not due to the lack of understanding but the fact that it is riddled with misconceptions and unvalidated principles.
To the atheist community, we catholics must not be confused with creationists. We uphold science in that it will reveal more of and prove God’s presence in the universe. Afterall it is He who created it.
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