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buffalo
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A compilation of beliefs if you will.
Then you can admit ID into the “science” classroom. It too is a search for knowledge, the knowledge of design, something we know exists with 100% certainty.
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Then you can admit ID into the “science” classroom. It too is a search for knowledge, the knowledge of design, something we know exists with 100% certainty.
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buffalo
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Give me a break. LOL. What are Catholics afraid of? going to heaven?
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tjm190
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No, a compliation of facts garnered from scientific pursuits. “It looks designed” and “Gensis says so” are not scientific pursuits.
A poorly assembled cell would be outcompeted by a well designed cell would it not? And an excellently designed cell would be out competed by an even better designed cell would it not? And by the times complex creatures came along, cells would be organized to a quite incredible extent wouldn’t they?
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tjm190
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Fear mongering implies fear is being created where no cause for fear exists, e.g. cries of “athiest propogana” being taught in schools.
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buffalo
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Does design exist?
Not necessarily - a cell with the super DNA language that is able to adapt and preserve its kind would win.
It looks designed - how do we know something looks designed?
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buffalo
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Evolutionism is the carrying card of atheism.
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edwest2
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The first statement is 100% incorrect. The Church has taken a firm stance against polygenism. It is repeated in the Library on this site - Adam and Eve, real people. Science is incomplete. And your attempts to distract from the issue at hand are not relevant.
I am here to warn Catholics about a man-made idea that is incomplete, for Catholics, since it obscures and even denies divine revelation which is held by the Church in the deposit of faith. There are questions ‘evolution’ cannot answer. Science is only the mind of man.
Finally, I would like to remind my fellow Catholics of the ongoing campaign here to win your consent about evolution. Just say yes to the mind of man. But here is the warning – this is about politics and winning your comfidence. Science is more than evolution. Don’t be fooled. There are a lot of things being proposed today that are getting the approval of a small group and being called ‘science.’ Don’t be deceived. Science has been corrupted and will continue to be corrupted because it can result in gain for someone.
hup.harvard.edu/catalog/MCGBEN.html
Peace,
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tjm190
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I would agree that most athiests accept evolution, but for the millionth time that does not make evolution inherently atheistic in nature.
Agreed as well.
Atheism sees nothing further then the world around it.
With nothing further, evolution is the only thing left.
It is not that atheism brings about evolution theory, but rather that the belief in evolution is the only thing the atheist has left.
One who believes in God has a number of theories available…atheists do not.
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edwest2
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Of course it does. Catholics cannot accept as 100% valid every claim made by evolution. And Catholics recognize that there are questions that cannot be answered by evolution.
The ontological leap to man.
Man is not just an animal according to Catholic teaching.
Man is not an accident but a willed result.
Science - the mind of man - is not the last word regarding the whole of reality.
Science is not this pure, unsullied fact factory but is filled with preconceived notions and biases, because it is run by men.
Most leading scientists still reject God according to Nature.
All of this information must be included for Catholics. Must. It is critical.
Science - the mind of man - appears to be hellbent on marketing itself as the only way to describe reality. The Church has good news for the entire world. That is our mission. Science wants to take over that role and promote chemicals to man. That is false, misleading and nihilistic.
Peace,
Ed
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redneck22
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How does the saying go " It takes a thousand tests to show a theory is correct but only one to show it’s wrong". The Law of Biogenesis states that life can only come from pre-existing life.
If you believe that primordial soup can turn into a chef, without intelligent (name removed by moderator)ut then you have a very strong faith.
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redneck22
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Creation is one of the central tenets of Christianity viz the first line of the Apostles Creed.
“Evolution” is one of the central tenets of atheism viz Cosmic, stellar, planetary, chemical and biological.
Atheists are always happy for christians to accept there belief system.
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Techno2000
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Hey, that’s a pretty clever saying… the Soup made the Chef… love it.
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rossum
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Everybody recognises that there are questions that cannot be answered by evolution. Evolution cannot answer the question “Who was the first president of the United States of America?” Evolution is not a theory of everything, it is a theory about the “Origin of Species” - there is even a book about evolution with that title.
Everybody recognises that there are questions that cannot be answered by Catholic doctrine. Catholic doctrine cannot answer the question “What is the charge on an electron?”
Are you going to reject Catholic doctrine because there are questions that it cannot answer? If not then why are you making such a flimsy attack on evolution?
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tjm190
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A theory is an explanation for observed phenomena with observable evidence as it’s basis- what does being a theist add to that?
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tjm190
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The fact that God is the ultimate creator has no impact when discussing the method of creation
Athiesms only ‘tennant’ is a lack of belief in God. Again, the fact that many athiests accept the theory of evolution is immaterial to evolution itself.
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tjm190
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This isn’t quite as much a misapplication as the 2nd law of thermodynamics, but a misaplication none the less.
This law was ‘passed’ in response to the belief that since stores of food seemed to produce maggots, the food must be giving birth to such maggots, or other similar lines of thinking. Nobody is arguing that relatively complex life will arise simply in the presence of nutrients.
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tjm190
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Biologically speaking, man is an animal and evolution explains our biological origin.
My belief in God leads me to the conclusion that there are no true accidents, but that doesn’t mean certain processes don’t appear random.
Preconcieved notions and biases are always contradicted and dispelled with time. Evolution is over a century old, and despite the nit picks by self described scientists, the evidence gathered in that time by and large supports evolution,
because scientists are atheists, they are not to be trusted even if the present strong cases?
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edwest2
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First of all, let’s make a few distinctions. Designing airplanes or cars or tanks has nothing to do with evolution. The same with nuclear weapons.
My trust in the accuracy of biology has dropped. Not because of any one biologist but because of a handful that are directly connecting atheism to science and are (a) being ignored and (b) being supported. Let’s look at the facts. Do you think their work has led them to determine that if there is no evidence for something then it does not exist?
Go to any atheist forum. No evidence? No god - any god. The same for any mumbo jumbo superstitions. However, I don’t see anyone protesting outside of the various psychic reader shops that have opened in my area. Where is Rally for Reason?
Finally, most of the posters here have convinced me that job one is to engineer consent – get everybody to just say to evolution. Why? To gain voters to follow their so-called scientific ideology.
Peace,
Ed
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buffalo
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They are to be questioned and challenged thoroughly so that their a priori bias does not result in cherry picking data and errant reasoning.
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