Armed citizens

[vern_humphrey]

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As far as im concerned, so called america failed as a nation compared to Britten . It was suppose to be a better world. Well… i would say im far more better of as a black man in London, then anywhere in america. Not that im a nationalist(i dont believe in nationalism) america might be the one of the most powerfull, if not the most powerful, nation on earth, but who is inferior in terms of morality?

Anyway, dont mind me. If you feel safer with a gun, thats your call, and it is relitive to your situation; i wouldn’t want to be in america with out a gun!

Im just kidding by the way

Thank you for confirming my assessment.

 

[freesoulhope]

Thank you for confirming my assessment.

I gave you what you wanted.

Peace.

 

[freesoulhope]

I would never say that. I don’t know anything about you except that you are a discourteous poster with hate filled posts about my country.

Where are these hate filled posts about your country? I do hope they wasn’t filled with lies. If they were, i apoligise.

This is the first time I have ever encountered anything you have posted so how could I possibly know what you think. I am happy for you that you are somewhere you feel safe, but do not criticize things here that you really have no knowledge of.

I would say the same for you but;…wait a minute!..If you cannot posibly know what i think, then how do you know that i have know knoledge of… Peace be with you.

 

[freesoulhope]

do not criticize things here that you really have no knowledge of.

Does this mean that you disagree that people have gone beserk and have used there “licenced” hand guns or bazzokers or what ever it is you got over there, to kill somebody for some reason other then self defence?

 

[Sir_Knight]

The whole point is, you cannot know what he is thinking, because if you trully knew what he was thinking, you would come to realise that he does not “know”; he would like to “think” that no abuses or negative damaging effects have come from the authority of an armed civilian, because he supports the civilian use of hand guns. So its no suprise to me that anybody who does support the use of a gun, will deny the negative side affects.

You might say the same for my position, but you cannot say that you “know”.

Yes, they CAN cay that they KNOW. Research studies have been done on this subject. According to a published report by William E. Sturdevant, the four year violent crime arrest rate for licensed gun owners is 128 per 100,000. For the general population, it is 710 per 100,000. In other words, licensed gun owners are 5.5 times LESS likely to commit a violent crime.

I would hardly call that a “negative” side affect.

 

[Sir_Knight]

Does this mean that you disagree that people have gone beserk and have used there “licenced” hand guns or bazzokers or what ever it is you got over there, to kill somebody for some reason other then self defence?

At a MUCH LOWER rate than unlicensed gun owners. Compared to the entire population, Texas CCW holders are about 7.6 times less likely to be arrested of a violent crime according to Texas Department of Corrections data.

According to the Florida Department of State, you are twice as likely to be attacked by an alligator than a person with a concealed carry permit. Of 14,000 CCW licensees in Oregon, only 4 (0.03%) were convicted of the criminal (not necessarily violent) use or possession of a firearm.

 

[Sir_Knight]

Arming america was a mistake that cannot be reversed, therefore in that situation it is just to arm citerzens in that babalon country they call america. Are you aware that Winston Churchill credited the American people with saving England from the Nazis when Private Citizens sent their personally owned firearms to England to be used in the war. If “arming America” was a mistake, then those guns would not have been available and London would have fallen to Hitler according to Churchill himself.

 

[freesoulhope]

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I would hardly call that a “negative” side affect.

That is because you don’t take the victims lives seriously.

 

[freesoulhope]

At a MUCH LOWER rate than unlicensed gun owners. Compared to the entire population, Texas CCW holders are about 7.6 times less likely to be arrested of a violent crime according to Texas Department of Corrections data.

concealed carry permit. Of 14,000 CCW licensees in Oregon, only 4 (0.03%) were convicted of the criminal (not necessarily violent) use or possession of a firearm.

Texas and oregon is not the whole of america, and unless you show me some evidence, for all i know you could be feeding me a line of fallacies.

 

[freesoulhope]

Are you aware that Winston Churchill credited the American people with saving England from the Nazis when Private Citizens sent their personally owned firearms to England to be used in the war. If “arming America” was a mistake, then those guns would not have been available and London would have fallen to Hitler according to Churchill himself.

So your claiming that the British militery had no weapons, and it took, not the American militery, but a couple of private gun tooting pedestrians to save Englands sweet ***?! Are you kidding me!!!

Private citizens? Are you sure Churchill wasn’t just trying to kiss ***?

 

[freesoulhope]

London would have fallen to Hitler according to Churchill himself.

Just because America with its big guns saved us from hitler, does not mean that Guns is a good thing.

Stem cell reaserch has the potential to save millions; is that good?

 

[freesoulhope]

At a MUCH LOWER rate than unlicensed gun owners.
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You say that it is at a much lower gun rate, but what does that mean? Does that make it okay or something??

 

[Ani_Ibi]

We started kick boxing & grappling at the green belt level.

Depending on the applied force of the blows in whatever art you are studying then. The more applied force, the longer the wait time for free kumite. Although the senior belts would spar with green belts, they ‘held’ their blows to sun dome.

 

[Sir_Knight]

Texas and oregon is not the whole of america, and unless you show me some evidence, for all i know you could be feeding me a line of fallacies.

I already showed you three instances where licensed gun owners have a MUCH lower rate of arrest than the general population. Why do you show me a few cases where the opposite is true or, if you can’t, acknowledge what I am saying is true.

 

[Sir_Knight]

So your claiming that the British militery had no weapons, and it took, not the American militery, but a couple of private gun tooting pedestrians to save Englands sweet ***?! Are you kidding me!!!

Private citizens? Are you sure Churchill wasn’t just trying to kiss ***?

Those who do not learn the errors of histroy are doomed to repeat those mistakes.

 

[Sir_Knight]

That is because you don’t take the victims lives seriously.

I take into account the lives of the victims that were saved by Licensed Gun Owners which far outweighs the crimes that were committed by them – which according to research is in the millions.

Based on your thinking, it is better to save a handful of people from licensed gun owners so that millions of others may become victims.

Appears that YOU aren’t taking into consideration the lives of victims.

 

[Semper_Fi_1]

I think some americans who support guns rather then weapons that are less likley to cause death, just enjoy having Guns and relish the oppertunity of shooting somebody. Is this true?

You think? There’s the problem…

Because you have no valid argument against why or any other competent law-abiding American should be able to own a firearm you resort to this.

 

[freesoulhope]

I take into account the lives of the victims that were saved by Licensed Gun Owners which far outweighs the crimes that were committed by them – which according to research is in the millions.

Appears that YOU aren’t taking into consideration the lives of victims.

I dont deny that guns have saved lives, but that doesn’t make guns good. And the lives that have suffered however small, are not insignificant.

 

[freesoulhope]

You think? There’s the problem…

Because you have no valid argument against why or any other competent law-abiding American should be able to own a firearm you resort to this.

I never said that it is morally wrong to own a fire arm in little “america” in the first place; thats the reality of that country. Its in a catch twenty two situation. My only arguement was that guns are not a good thing, and that i hate them; the world would be better of with out them. Then i asked, why don’t citerzens use less deadlier weapons or rely on the police? You must have a very poor police force if you have to arm yourself. Then i got upset at the fact the people tried to deny that there hasn’t been any negative side affects; what a load of crud.

I don’t resent the fact that you like to have a 12 gauge shot gun handy in “little america”. What i do resent however, is when Americans try to say that we should have guns in England! Your country has gone down the drain already; why do you want to take us with you?

 

[Sir_Knight]

That’s where you are wrong. Guns are inanimated [sp] objects. They can be neither good nor bad. They, however, can be used for either good or bad and that is determined by the user.