Armenian Genocide Resolution

[rlg94086]

Alright… I will agree with you that it should be brought to international attention.

But it could have been brought up at a more opportune time rather than when we are in a war and Turkey isn’t are greatest supplier. Our troops wellbeing is a more pertinent issue rather than something that happened 80 years ago.

Yes it was wrong what they did, and they should not be allowed to do it again, but I don’t think it would be a wise idea to let our soldiers run out of supplies for it.

Exactly my feelings.

 

[bobzills]

Tell that to the Kurds.

That raises another reason why this is EXTREMELY pertainant right now, and why it should be raised now more than ever.

We are dealing with a country that flat out denies any involvement in a genocide and ethnic cleansing, and is currently positioned with weapons raised against another minority that is just beginning to see its movement for independence take hold and gain real tangible international support.

For those that don’t know, that’s precisely the recipe that kicked off the Armenian Genocide a century ago: the Ottoman Empire was crumbling and the Armenians made it clear that they intended to have their own homeland again. In short order the Armenians were almost entirely annihilated within the borders of what became Turkey, the Eastern portion of which was predominantly Armenian as was part of the traditional Armenian homeland.

When dealing with the same factors today that went into the Genocide, and facing the same nation which still denies the Genocide occured, we need to take very seriously the threat of another ethnic cleansing. All of us standing up and saying “We remember, we will NOT forget, and we will NOT let it happen again” sends a powerful message. Backing such a statement up with the threat of sanctions and/or military action would go even further.

We can’t coddle Turkey at this point just because they are our military ally, especially when they are seemingly poised to make the same type of action they made before. They got away with it then because nobody acted or said much about it, and this time we’re actively facilitating them in some ways.

It’s not about an Armenian lobby with great powers in Congress (yeah, we’re a real world-shaking ethnic group ). It’s about the threat of a repeat Genocide that is growing more and more real every day.

Remember, “just lacking after our own concerns and the lives of our people” is precisely what allows for ethnic cleansing to occur in the first place, both on the part of the purpotrators, and on the part of those who stand by and watch the build up and do nothing.

Peace and God bless!

It is always better to do the right thing right away and as soon as possible. And the right thing is to condemn the Armenian genocide.

 

[Ghosty]

Alright… I will agree with you that it should be brought to international attention.

But it could have been brought up at a more opportune time rather than when we are in a war and Turkey isn’t are greatest supplier. Our troops wellbeing is a more pertinent issue rather than something that happened 80 years ago.

Yes it was wrong what they did, and they should not be allowed to do it again, but I don’t think it would be a wise idea to let our soldiers run out of supplies for it.

Again, it’s been brought up almost YEARLY for the past couple of decades. Every few years it gets a major voice in Congress. This is nothing new, and neither are the yearly excuses for not recognizing it. Our soldiers aren’t going to run out of supplies by any stretch. Worst case is we’d have to reroute a bit, but no one would be going hungry or running out of ammo. That just sounds like yet another partisan excuse for not doing the right thing; this time it’s because the Democrats raised the issue hoping to score political points, last time it was because the Republicans did so.

Also it is quite pertinent right now, as Turkey stands poised to move against the Kurds.

It is always better to do the right thing right away and as soon as possible. And the right thing is to condemn the Armenian genocide.

Exactly. Even without the Kurdish situation it would be the right thing to do. Condemning genocide shouldn’t be a matter of “real politik”, but a basic correct moral judgement. The excuses, often partisan in one direction or another, are getting very stale for those of us who live with this reality every day.

Peace and God bless!

 

[Yerusalyim]

This is the quote I was referring to.

Edit: Sorry I was just read a news article (newstatesman.com/200710230001) that got me riled up. I am sorry if I got a bit out of hand. I do honestly belive the time is always now; every waking moment, of everyday until Turkey accepts it.

Clearwater,

You’ve misunderstood what I said…I am not denying the numbers of Armenians who were slaughtered…but what is still legitimate historical debate is whether this slaughter was ordered and organized by the Young Turks.

Further, was not the safety of American Soldiers stationed in Turkey and those in Iraq which need the supplies that go through Turkey important factors?

This resolution by congress, which has gone away, would do ZERO to establish justice for the Armenians that died.

 

[Nino]

How sad and disgusting…it was only Theodore Roosevelt of all the worlds leaders who objected to the Armenian holocaust…he it was who sent part of his nobel peace prize money to help those poor people…he it was who was furious that the world was silent…and so it was right up to 1939 when Adolph and good ole Joe Stalin.(as FDR called him) signed that infamous peace pact and slaughtered millions of Poles…and what did the national socialist left wing dictator say …'dont worry,who cared about the Armenians?!" and so it goes…we must be in lock step at all times…if the ruling class dictates that we must not be too upset over that horrible slaughter …so be it…maybe next year the NYYankees with a new manager will win yet again right? PC and couch potatos unite…all we have to lose is our immortal souls…Nino

 

[ClearwaterBeach]

Clearwater,

You’ve misunderstood what I said…I am not denying the numbers of Armenians who were slaughtered…but what is still legitimate historical debate is whether this slaughter was ordered and organized by the Young Turks.

I apologize for the misunderstanding. I know I am going to veer off on this topic on this discussion, but I would invite you to please read Henry Morgenthau’s statement pertaining to the Young Turks and Ottoman’s Turks. I found it very interesting.

Further, was not the safety of American Soldiers stationed in Turkey and those in Iraq which need the supplies that go through Turkey important factors?

I wholeheartedly agree with you!!
The reason why I feel the way I do is because I do not want the descendants of the Ottoman’s to repeat history and to starve people just to make a message. I am sure they are good people, but starving people has never been a good method today as well as 1915!

This resolution by congress, which has gone away, would do ZERO to establish justice for the Armenians that died.

Please you must understand that this is not just about Armenians. This is about genocide in general. What Armenians are trying to do is send out a message that Genocide no matter how long ago is not okay. That this should be remembered and future empires, kingdoms, or countries should know that any attempt at a genocide will not go unnoticed no matter how long they deny it.

I honestly do pray that our troops do not get the same fate of starvation as some of the Armenians did.

God bless!

 

[bobzills]

Please you must understand that this is not just about Armenians. This is about genocide in general. What Armenians are trying to do is send out a message that Genocide no matter how long ago is not okay. That this should be remembered and future empires, kingdoms, or countries should know that any attempt at a genocide will not go unnoticed no matter how long they deny it.

This is a good point.

 

[Gregory_Carlin]

Ghosty,

While I sympathize with the suffering the Armenians went through, and there is no dispute on numbers, there is is still LEGITIMATE historical debate as to whether or not the Young Turks actually ordered the massacre.

I don’t think legitimate is the correct term for zealots who were ubiquitously described by the allied powers as a criminal gang. The issue with the Turks (of today) is that they will put me in prison if I mention the topic publicly there. The genocide was as deliberate as the genocide in Rwanda. The Turks in the rump Ottoman posessions and the Interahamwe and Impuzamugambi in Rwanda were able in some ways to exceed what the Nazis were able to accomplish. If the authorities expel hundreds of thousands of old people, women and children into the desert without any means of preservation, it is a genocide project. I won’t go into the rapes, and the child killings, it is far too unsettling.

G.

 

[Gregory_Carlin]

Yes, they are still Turks, but they are under a different system of government now. Turkey 80 years ago was very different from Turkey today.

Just because they are Turks doesn’t mean that they are the same ones who murdered Armeniens.

I bet you think Germans and Nazis are the same thing as well.

Germany is not denying Auschwitz-Birkenau.

G.

 

[RomanCrusader]

Heathen Turks!

These Turks have been a thousand year blight against civilization! Always murdering Christians and trying to sack Europe and the Holy Land! God bless the Armenians in their quest for justice.

 

[bobzills]

Heathen Turks!

These Turks have been a thousand year blight against civilization! Always murdering Christians and trying to sack Europe and the Holy Land! God bless the Armenians in their quest for justice.

It is time to support the Armenian genocide resolution.