Arms dealers are Judas of today says Pope during Mass for refugees

[Exiled_Child]

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**The Pope contrasted the gesture of Jesus’ washing the feet of his disciples with that of Judas, who betrayed Jesus for money.

In his homily during the Mass of the Last Supper Francis likened Judas’ betrayal to those “behind” Brussels terror attacks this week which killed 31 and injured 270. The betrayers, he said, “are manufacturers, arms dealers who want blood, not peace; they want war, not brotherhood.”**

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[ARSpade]

The Brussels attackers used TATP, which is unstable and dangerous as all get out, and can be made at home with ingredients found at your local drug store or supermarket. It’s not something you buy from an arms dealer (nobody would be dumb enough to make it anyway). So I don’t know how they’re “behind” something none of them were involved with.

But, hey, I guess that’s easier than blaming the actual reason the attackers did what they did. That wouldn’t be politically correct or “ecumenical”.

 

[ringil]

But, hey, I guess that’s easier than blaming the actual reason the attackers did what they did. That wouldn’t be politically correct or “ecumenical”.

The problem is terrorism, not Islam.

Another great message from the Holy Father.

 

[Neal76]

The Brussels attackers used TATP, which is unstable and dangerous as all get out, and can be made at home with ingredients found at your local drug store or supermarket. It’s not something you buy from an arms dealer (nobody would be dumb enough to make it anyway). So I don’t know how they’re “behind” something none of them were involved with.

But, hey, I guess that’s easier than blaming the actual reason the attackers did what they did. That wouldn’t be politically correct or “ecumenical”.

Exactly right.

 

[ARSpade]

The problem is terrorism, not Islam.

Another great message from the Holy Father.

I guess the problem was expansionist empires, and Jan III Sobieski and his Hussars were just so not ecumenical. It was probably the karacena and szabla industry that drove it all.

 

[Darryl1958]

The problem is terrorism, not Islam.

Another great message from the Holy Father.

Islam is the only religion can solve the problem of Islamist terror that finds safe harbour to attack from deep within Muslim neighborhoods.

The answer to Islamist ideology must come from with Islam, and so far no powerful counter ideology has emerged to refute what the Islamists have been propagating.

Islamists win elections.

Brussels’ Islam Party has elected two Muslim politicians on a platform of creating an Islamic State in Belgium. Advocates for an Islamic State that would enforce Sharia law hold elected office in Belgium.

Muslim liberals do not.

 

[Exiled_Child]

Being misunderstood is Francis’ cross, and I pity him for it.

He has every form of disinformation and propaganda in the world working against him.

 

[PaulfromIowa]

Did “arms dealers” create jihadist terrorism? That would be an interesting thesis.

 

[Exiled_Child]

Did “arms dealers” create jihadist terrorism? That would be an interesting thesis.

Arms dealers create and foment war around the world, while jihadist terrorism is a form of guerrilla warfare in reaction to this.

So, the answer to your question is an unequivocal “yes.”

Terrorists don’t “hate our freedom,” they hate the West warring on them.

 

[dmar198]

The Brussels attackers used TATP, which is unstable and dangerous as all get out, and can be made at home with ingredients found at your local drug store or supermarket. It’s not something you buy from an arms dealer (nobody would be dumb enough to make it anyway). So I don’t know how they’re “behind” something none of them were involved with.

Arms dealers Did have something to do with the attacks. The attackers had kalashnikov rifles and you can’t make those with ingredients from the drug store. Those rifles certainly didn’t make them less terroristic. I think a gun in the hands of a terrorist makes him even more radical, because it removes him a step from his actions, and we see the fruit of radicalization in these Brussels attacks.

But, hey, I guess that’s easier than blaming the actual reason the attackers did what they did. That wouldn’t be politically correct or “ecumenical”.

Pope Francis Has blamed the actual reasons. “I ask everyone to persevere in prayer and to ask the Lord in this Holy Week to comfort the hearts afflicted and convert the hearts of these people blinded by this cruel fundamentalism.” source

Pope Francis has said some very “unecumenical” things if you count condemnations as unecumenical. But I don’t. I think you can be ecumenical And condemn terrorism, and Pope Francis is a good example of that.

 

[ARSpade]

Arms dealers create and foment war around the world, while jihadist terrorism is a form of guerrilla warfare in reaction to this.

So, the answer to your question is an unequivocal “yes.”

Terrorists don’t “hate our freedom,” they hate the West warring on them.

That’s entirely passing the buck. Arms dealers, legal or illegal, are simply filling a demand. People create and forment war around the world, and then arms dealers supply them. Heck, you can make an AK out of a shovel if you want. Basically, you’re saying, “Awww, that guy is filled with ideologically driven hatred towards people who don’t believe like him. It’s too bad a bunch of gun makers made him think that.”

If you suddenly made all the guns and arms dealers in the world vanish in an instant, some terrorist Islamic guys in Belgium aren’t going to go, “Ah, man, now there’s nobody telling us to kill people so they can sell us stuff. Let’s go be monks instead.” They’re going to go make some TATP and carry on.

Basically, you blaming arms dealers is a sign that you either cannot or don’t want to identify the actual root cause.

ETA: This is one of the reasons the West handles terrorism and terrorists so badly. Because while the terrorists are super clear about why they’re doing what they’re doing, Westerners want to ignore those reasons and make up their own really badly. It’s basically another form of Western cultural imperialism. “Aw, you don’t mean it. You just don’t know why you’re doing that little guy. Let me explain it to you.”

 

[dmar198]

If you suddenly made all the guns and arms dealers in the world vanish in an instant, some terrorist Islamic guys in Belgium aren’t going to go, “Ah, man, now there’s nobody telling us to kill people so they can sell us stuff. Let’s go be monks instead.” They’re going to go make some TATP and carry on.

Agreed.

That’s entirely passing the buck.

Not entirely. More than one person can share the blame for evil actions. The pope’s words point to the terrorists themselves, the cruel ideologies that have blinded them, and arms dealers who “want blood, not peace.” (Note: that’s not all weapons manufacturers, only some.) It is perfectly reasonable to point to these groups and individuals as sources of terrorism.

Arms dealers, legal or illegal, are simply filling a demand.

Not simply. They are doing that and also sinning – at least the ones who knowingly sell to terrorists.

Heck, you can make an AK out of a shovel if you want.

If by this you mean a shovel has enough parts to turn it into an AK-47, you are wrong. But I don’t think you mean that.

Basically, you’re saying, “Awww, that guy is filled with ideologically driven hatred towards people who don’t believe like him. It’s too bad a bunch of gun makers made him think that.”

No one is saying that. Arms dealers may have Helped, the bad ones that is, but no one has said they made them like that.

Basically, you blaming arms dealers is a sign that you either cannot or don’t want to identify the actual root cause.

No, because you can do both, as the pope has. He pointed to the root cause and scolded some arms dealers for helping them. That is perfectly reasonable.

ETA: This is one of the reasons the West handles terrorism and terrorists so badly. Because while the terrorists are super clear about why they’re doing what they’re doing, Westerners want to ignore those reasons and make up their own really badly. It’s basically another form of Western cultural imperialism. “Aw, you don’t mean it. You just don’t know why you’re doing that little guy. Let me explain it to you.”

No one has said anything like that. Most of the people in charge aren’t like Al Gore and don’t go blaming Crusaders all the time for things that terrorists do today. Most of the people in charge that I’ve heard on this subject have spoken about the need to root out the ideology behind terrorism and they have funded efforts to get Muslims to preach a more Christian mentality against violence.

 

[edwest2]

The Brussels attackers used TATP, which is unstable and dangerous as all get out, and can be made at home with ingredients found at your local drug store or supermarket. It’s not something you buy from an arms dealer (nobody would be dumb enough to make it anyway). So I don’t know how they’re “behind” something none of them were involved with.

But, hey, I guess that’s easier than blaming the actual reason the attackers did what they did. That wouldn’t be politically correct or “ecumenical”.

I think you’re overreacting a bit. Most people have never heard of this chemical combination. And if the attackers used it then they were skilled enough in handling it.

books.sipri.org/files/FS/SIPRIFS1503.pdf

Ed

 

[philipl]

The problem is terrorism, not Islam.

Another great message from the Holy Father.

Then why are so many terrorist also Islamic? Why are so few terrorist Catholic, Protestants, Jewish?

This PC garbage needs to stop. Islam IS the problem when people go and blow up other people.

 

[ARSpade]

I think you’re overreacting a bit. Most people have never heard of this chemical combination. And if the attackers used it then they were skilled enough in handling it.

books.sipri.org/files/FS/SIPRIFS1503.pdf

Ed

TATP may not have been heard of by “most people”, but if you’re in military, defense, security, HAZMAT, terrorism, etc. (or the people they fight against), than, yeah you know about TATP. And the ways to make it have been tossed around by terrorist types for a long time.

 

[edwest2]

Then why are so many terrorist also Islamic? Why are so few terrorist Catholic, Protestants, Jewish?

This PC garbage needs to stop. Islam IS the problem when people go and blow up other people.

Then what do you suggest be done?

Ed

 

[ringil]

Then why are so many terrorist also Islamic? Why are so few terrorist Catholic, Protestants, Jewish?

This PC garbage needs to stop. Islam IS the problem when people go and blow up other people.

841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”[330]

From the Catechism- authoritative Church teaching.

 

[Darryl1958]

Box cutters are the weapons used to initiate what has been to date the single most deadly and costly Jihadist attack against Americans in their homeland.http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/145/25/25cbb507-3224-4367-a164-6e2aeda1fd67_145.jpg

This particular model sells for $1.98 at the Home Depot.

Capitalism has made the price of buying off a Judas very cheap indeed.

 

[mikekle]

Being misunderstood is Francis’ cross, and I pity him for it.

He has every form of disinformation and propaganda in the world working against him.

He needs to be more direct, and avoid alluding to things or being too vague. People today need to hear ‘its either right or wrong’, anything less can be misinterpreted or ‘spun’ to fit the needs of just about anything.

 

[Pulvis]

841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”[330]

From the Catechism- authoritative Church teaching.

Ringil, the terrorists in Brussels may, or may not worship the same God as we do, but the prophet that they follow, the one who created islam out of thin air, instructed them by his life and writtings to kill infidels, had no problem focusing his desire to convert the world.at the point of a sword, and left clear instructions for his followers to do the same.