Arms dealers are Judas of today says Pope during Mass for refugees

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**The Pope contrasted the gesture of Jesus’ washing the feet of his disciples with that of Judas, who betrayed Jesus for money.

In his homily during the Mass of the Last Supper Francis likened Judas’ betrayal to those “behind” Brussels terror attacks this week which killed 31 and injured 270. The betrayers, he said, “are manufacturers, arms dealers who want blood, not peace; they want war, not brotherhood.”**

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Would that criticism apply to politicians who want to flood war areas with weapons, or are they exempt from his criticism? I heard one presidential candidate say that if elected he would supply weapons to the Ukrainian government. I heard another politician say that she would supply weapons to the Syrian resistance.
 
That’s entirely passing the buck. Arms dealers, legal or illegal, are simply filling a demand. People create and forment war around the world, and then arms dealers supply them. Heck, you can make an AK out of a shovel if you want. Basically, you’re saying, “Awww, that guy is filled with ideologically driven hatred towards people who don’t believe like him. It’s too bad a bunch of gun makers made him think that.”

If you suddenly made all the guns and arms dealers in the world vanish in an instant, some terrorist Islamic guys in Belgium aren’t going to go, “Ah, man, now there’s nobody telling us to kill people so they can sell us stuff. Let’s go be monks instead.” They’re going to go make some TATP and carry on.

Basically, you blaming arms dealers is a sign that you either cannot or don’t want to identify the actual root cause.

ETA: This is one of the reasons the West handles terrorism and terrorists so badly. Because while the terrorists are super clear about why they’re doing what they’re doing, Westerners want to ignore those reasons and make up their own really badly. It’s basically another form of Western cultural imperialism. “Aw, you don’t mean it. You just don’t know why you’re doing that little guy. Let me explain it to you.”
That is absolutely untrue, actually. On the surface it may seem that way, but in fact munitions manufacturers and arms dealers have a long and rich history of fomenting discord, creating wars out of thin air, selling weapons to all sides involved and profitting enormously for their evil. The Pope is absolutely on point with his “Judas of today” characterization. But of course when we talk about “shadowy figures,” no one is more shadowy than these individuals. My favorite example from the last century is Sir Basil Zaharoff, a kind of real-life Keyser Söze figure who would make Satan himself blush.

smithsonianmag.com/history/the-mysterious-mr-zedzed-the-wickedest-man-in-the-world-97435790/?no-ist

The closer we get to the present moment in time, the less we know of these people.

amazon.com/Merchant-Death-Money-Planes-Possible/dp/047026196X

But we know with certainty that they exist, even if we don’t browse arms bazaars and meet them in person. And I want to be clear that I don’t think Francis was primarily talking about ordinary, decent people who work for Hughes, Boeing, Lockheed, General Dynamics, Raytheon or other defense contractors and representatives of the military-industrial complex. I have friends and family who work for those places, and no matter how brilliant they may be, they tend to be pretty compartmentalized, which obviously the Pope understands. I think when Francis talks about arms dealers, he’s referring more specifically to the sort of Satanic corporate espionage aspects of the military economy. At the same time I believe that he is alluding as well to this entire Satanic set-up that pervades our lives in ways we don’t even realize:

amazon.com/The-Complex-Military-Everyday-American/dp/0805089195

And there are other factors at play, too, like natural resource reclamation, banking and just general, good old-fashioned world domination.
 
The Brussels attackers used TATP, which is unstable and dangerous as all get out, and can be made at home with ingredients found at your local drug store or supermarket. It’s not something you buy from an arms dealer (nobody would be dumb enough to make it anyway). So I don’t know how they’re “behind” something none of them were involved with.

But, hey, I guess that’s easier than blaming the actual reason the attackers did what they did. That wouldn’t be politically correct or “ecumenical”.
The Holy Father is right. Arms dealers need the business of war and death to keep going. They betray Christ by destroying life.
More power to Pope Francis!
 
Ringil, the terrorists in Brussels may, or may not worship the same God as we do, but the prophet that they follow, the one who created islam out of thin air, instructed them by his life and writtings to kill infidels, had no problem focusing his desire to convert the world.at the point of a sword, and left clear instructions for his followers to do the same.
Nobody quotes that prophet more, or more directly, than the Islamist jihadists.
 
I think alot us now associate the words “Allahu Akbar” with a belief that something very bad is about to happen.
 
I think alot us now associate the words “Allahu Akbar” with a belief that something very bad is about to happen.
Hearing Allah Akbar is sort of like seeing a swastika now. All former meanings and associations become secondary to the evil that these words and symbols now have attached to them.

God is Great…God as Swastika.:mad:
 
Ringil, the terrorists in Brussels may, or may not worship the same God as we do,
My post above related to Muslims and the Church’s authoritatively stating that they worship the one, true God.

You answer with a post equating Muslims with Terrorists which is disingenuous.
 
It is not disingenuous, since it the Jihadists equate who themselves with Muslims.

Are Christians and secularists now the experts on who is and who is not a Muslim?
 
The Brussels attackers used TATP, which is unstable and dangerous as all get out, and can be made at home with ingredients found at your local drug store or supermarket. It’s not something you buy from an arms dealer (nobody would be dumb enough to make it anyway). So I don’t know how they’re “behind” something none of them were involved with.

But, hey, I guess that’s easier than blaming the actual reason the attackers did what they did. That wouldn’t be politically correct or “ecumenical”.
You will have to understand Pope Francis’ delicate position. If he attacks ISIS or any other violent Islamic groups verbally, at the very least rebuke them even a little, these violent groups will take revenge on the beleaguered Christians in the Middle East. This is why he tries to make his point about the dangers of fundamentalism without setting off violent reactions. Christians already have it bad but the Pope is painfully aware that he may inadvertently make it worst for them by his words. He has to take care of his flock in the Middle East too.
 
If the pope does not stifle his comments, assuredly there will indeed be attacks on the Christians of the ME in retaliation.

If the pope does stifle his comments, there will still assuredly be attacks on the Christians of the ME.
69 dead in Easter slaughter in Pakistan.
1 priest crucified on Good Friday in Yemen.

Happy Easter.
 
Doesn’t the Vatican Swiss Guard buy their arms from…arms dealers? :confused:
 
Doesn’t the Vatican Swiss Guard buy their arms from…arms dealers? :confused:
The Vatican probably doesn’t buy it’s Sig Sauers from arms traffickers, no. It certainly isn’t your fault for not knowing that though, because the ignorance surrounding “arms dealers” is intentionally fostered. And the hypocrisy of the issue is all pervasive: we’re all guilty of it in a sense, collectively, as Americans. The war machine is all around us - we live inside of it. If we pay taxes then we are directly, personally responsible for a portion of the Pentagon’s murderous crimes around the world. Let that truth sink in. Ask yourself, for instance, is Charles Manson a murderer? He’s in prison for murder, yes, but he’s never been proven to have actually killed anyone. What’s even stranger is, you and I have murdered more people than Charles Manson, because we pay taxes and Charlie never has. The problem is, as a species we seem to have an innate compulsion to lie to ourselves, to automatically and unconsciously justify everything we do, and to be as deliberately blind to these facts as we can. And we’re very, very good at doing all of those things. It’s all gently implied in what the Pope says on an actual daily basis, but we choose ignorance and obliviousness as a matter of course. Read the Nick Turse book I linked to in post twenty-two. It is impossible to go a single day without contributing to the Pentagon, which is the world’s largest arms dealer. Do you brush your teeth, use deodorant or toilet paper? Do you drink coffee or soda? Do you ever eat fast food? Do you drive a motor vehicle? Virtually everything we do contributes to the military-industrial system, because that’s how our world is set up; it’s all pervasive. Arms dealers have their tentacles in everything. The Pope is reminding us that all men are literally brothers, and people, even Catholics, act like he’s crazy, when he’s actually one of the few people with a sane perspective.
 
T If we pay taxes then we are directly, personally responsible for a portion of the Pentagon’s murderous crimes around the world. Let that truth sink in.
So, all of us who work at/for the Pentagon would be even bigger murderers, correct?
 
If we pay taxes then we are directly, personally responsible for a portion of the Pentagon’s murderous crimes around the world. Let that truth sink in.
“Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’ s”

Is Jesus added to your guilty list? He’s complicit in my obedience to pay taxes.

I’m not saying Pope Francis is crazy. He’s certainly too vague for the everyday joe like me though.
 
And the hypocrisy of the issue is all pervasive: we’re all guilty of it in a sense, collectively, as Americans. The war machine is all around us - we live inside of it. If we pay taxes then we are directly, personally responsible for a portion of the Pentagon’s murderous crimes around the world.
It is either pay taxes or rot in jail. Paying taxes is not something done willingly or freely in most cases.
 
It is either pay taxes or rot in jail. Paying taxes is not something done willingly or freely in most cases.
But no one ever said living in a secular world like ours, as a christian, is supposed to be easy or comfortable…in fact, I think its actually the opposite, but sadly, many people ‘settle’ and go along with the flow so their lives are not impacted to an extreme degree.
 
So, all of us who work at/for the Pentagon would be even bigger murderers, correct?
Actually, I was trying to suggest that Americans are collectively guilty for the Pentagon’s crimes. A huge number of people work at the Pentagon, so I would think that one’s guilt or innocence would depend entirely on the individual. Is the guy cooking breakfast in the Ground Zero Cafe as culpable as Ashton Carter? There are all kinds of people who work there, and at the War College across the street, too, and most of them are undoubtedly very good and decent people, but that doesn’t change the categorical fact that the Pentagon is the largest arms dealer in the world. And I’m not so naive as to believe that America doesn’t have a need to defend itself, but I agree with the Pope, too. These foreign adventures have nothing to do with protecting Americans from terrorism, because clearly our war economy is the root cause of a god portion of the human misery which breeds and fosters terrorism in the first place. And I do apologize, by the way, if I’m coming across as harsh toward you individually, because that’s not my intention. Anyway, I take it you disagree with Francis’ statements regarding the arms trade. It’s not cannon, pun intended.

Also, I may as well add this link again, which is to a very interesting and informative book:

amazon.com/The-Complex-Military-Everyday-American/dp/0805089195
 
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