Article about sex after death in islam

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flameburns623:
As I think the Muslim posters have made clear–while the discussion of 72 virgins, young boys, etcetera, sounds very carnal to Western eyes–the point is that these are seen as SYMBOLIC or FIGURATIVE ways of picturing the delights of the Islamic Paradise.
Hey Flameburns623

I wouldnt go so far to say that these are symbolic or figurative only. If God says men will get 72 virgins…then men will get 72 virgins. Real muslim men are the ones that won’t look at a naked woman’s image, wherever it may be. This can become difficult, since the woman’s body is displayed everywhere they go. They usually guard their gaze and are prohibited from “checking out” females. Now, as a female, I say that when these guys who have spent their lives prohibiting for themselves something which most guys freely indulge in, then I say they deserve those 72 virgins.

The Quran describes heaven in many ways, but it also states that it is a place that no one has ever imagined and no soul knows what pleasures awaits them (men AND women).
 
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Faith101:
Hey Flameburns623

I wouldnt go so far to say that these are symbolic or figurative only. If God says men will get 72 virgins…then men will get 72 virgins…
Faith101
Did this so called promise of 72 virgins per person in heaven come from (1) Mahomet or (2) from the Koran?
 
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Faith101
Did this so called promise of 72 virgins per person in heaven come from (1) Mahomet or (2) from the Koran?

Hey The Eurasian

To my knowledge, the specific number does not appear in the Quran, but the virgins are discussed.
We have created (their companions) of special cretion. And made them virgin-pure (and undefiled). Beloved (by nature), equal in age (Qur’an 56:35-37). They are also spoken about in the end of chapter 55. If you wish I can, God willing, ask a more knowledgable person about the number of virgins.
 
Faith 101
Will the virgins end up pregnant?

So if your husband and you will end up in heaven, your husband will have 72 virgins and you will also have your own separate 72 virgins.
How about your husband’s 72 female virgins and your own 72 male virgins, dont you think they’ll also want to try each other?
 
The Eurasian:
Faith 101
Will the virgins end up pregnant?

So if your husband and you will end up in heaven, your husband will have 72 virgins and you will also have your own separate 72 virgins.
How about your husband’s 72 female virgins and your own 72 male virgins, dont you think they’ll also want to try each other?
lol…i dont know the details, i’m still on earth. All i know is heaven is the place I want to end up in. And that God has promised that every single person in heaven will be happy. God said I will be happy, then I will be happy. Period. In fact, God said that if he took a person who suffered the most on earth and showed him heaven for a few seconds, that person will swear that they have never suffered (basically forget their suffering on earth) and vice versa with hell. It is so amazing in paradise, that all anyone can say once they enter is “peace, peace.”
 
Faith 101

These 72 virgins that your husband will have in heaven, will he be marrying them?
 
The Eurasian:
Faith 101

These 72 virgins that your husband will have in heaven, will he be marrying them?
Hey The Eurasian

your posts are keeping me up, i have a big presentation tomorrow so i think i will go to sleep after this one 🙂

In all honesty, I really don’t know. I never cared to ask any of these questions. InshAllah (God willing), i will try to ask someone more knowledgeble than me about the details of this issue if you *really * need to know. Let me know

Do you see any problem in the concept of God in Islam as i have described him? Usually, when someone wants to understand a different religion/culture, they understand the big picture, the basic beliefs before they dwell on the tiny details. Good night for now 😃
 
Faith 101

Thanks for your time and answers. I hope my questions have been helpful in producing better understanding between Muslims and Catholics. God bless you and your family for following your conscience and trying to serve God as best as you can in your own way.
 
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Faith101:
Hey The Eurasian

Do you see any problem in the concept of God in Islam as i have described him? Usually, when someone wants to understand a different religion/culture, they understand the big picture, the basic beliefs before they dwell on the tiny details. Good night for now 😃
Faith 101

One common thing between the Catholic understanding of God and the Islamic understanding of God is that Catholics and Islamics ALL BELIEVE THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE LIVING GOD.

Catholics and Islamics all believe that Jesus is a prophet with no human father. That Jesus’ mother is a virgin and very very holy. That the Archangel Gabriel appeared to the Vigin Mary. That the Archangel Gabriel appeared to Hagar who was pregnant with Ishamel. That Jesus is in heaven and will come back.

Jesus cannot forget the decendants of Hagar. His first visitors were shepherds. And who could these be if not ANCIENT PALESTINIANS??? Bethlehem is today mostly occupied by decendants of Hagar, Ishmael. Maybe it was that way, occupied by the decendants of Hagar, Ishmael, even in the time of Jesus.

You have heard the term “Good Samaritan.” This came from Jesus’ parable. It is in the Gospel, New Testament portion of the Bible. In this parable, the “:Good Samaritan” was a better neighbor to a stranger than the pharisee and the other people who did not help the injured stranger. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, THAT SAMARITAN MUST HAVE BEEN AN ANCIENT PALESTINIAN, A DECENDANT OF HAGAR, ISHMAEL!!!

Isn’t this a Good God??? Abraham had children from 2 wives and 1 slave. But GOD CARES FOR THE DECENDANTS OF THE SLAVE. In the Fatima Apparitions, THE POSTURE OF ADORATION TAUGHT BY THE ANGEL OF PORTUGAL TO THE 3 VISIONARY CHILDREN IS THE SAME POSTURE OF ADORATION USED BY ISLAMICS!!! WHY OF ALL PLACES DID THIS APPARITION OCCUR IN FATIMA??? ISN’T FATIMA MAHOMET’S FAVORITE DAUGHTER WHO MUSLIMS CONSIDER A VERY VERY HOLY WOMAN???

In the Apparition of Our Lady of Guadalupe to Juan Diego in 1521 in Mexico, THE VEIL OF THE VIRGIN MARY IS FULL OF STARS!!! INCLUDED IN THOSE STARS ARE THE DECENDANTS OF HAGAR, ISHMAEL, FOR THEIR DECENDANTS ARE BIOLOGICAL DECENDANTS OF ABRAHAM. THIS PICTURE OF OUR LADY OF GUADALUPE JUST APPEARED ON JUAN DIEGO’S TILMA, A MEXICAN-AZTEC OVERCOAT. THE STARS ARE AN EXACT MAP OF THE CONSTELLATIONS IN THE SKY WHEN SHE APPEARED TO JUAN DIEGO DEC 12, 1521. AND THERE ARE PICTURES IN THE EYES WHEN THEY EXAMINED IT WITH THE VERY POWERFUL ELECTRON MICROSCOPE. HOW COULD ANYBODY PRODUCE A FRAUD WHICH WOULD LOOK LIKE THIS WHEN THERE WERE NO ELECTRON MICROSCOPES IN 1521.

Yes, decendants of Hagar!!! THE GOD OF THE CATHOLICS REMEMBERS AND LOVES YOU!!!
 
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Faith101:
Suicide bombing is an interesting issue. Some Muslims do consider these people heroes. Might seem odd to us living thousands of miles away, but when someone faces injustice daily…they fight back in whatever way they can, even with their lives. This is not a justification for kiling oneself, but its a way that we can see it from their side.
Hello Faith,

Peace to you.

My belief is that suicide is like giving up on The Almighty and taking His power, in hand. It saddens me to think, otherwise religious people, would honor and/or encourage such a means, out of frustration or justification. It is scary and terrorism, in thought alone. Defending ones life is necessary but suicide killings are murder, from all I can see.
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Faith101:
An innocent person is just that, someone not guilty of any crime…
I’m interested in knowing how it is determined that a person is innocent or guilty. Do you use something like the Jewish 10 Commandments? Is there a list of laws Muslims have that gauge if a person is innocent or guilty? Is there any room for repentance? Can a person reform and make amends or are they judged and punished accordingly? In what circumstances are they given the death sentence?

Thank you in advance,
Elizabeth
 
Hi,

Before we continue this topic, why dont we discuss first (in another thread) what is the true religion of God and which one is the real word of God- The Bible or The Qur’an?

Thx & peace,

deen
 
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deen:
Hi,

Before we continue this topic, why dont we discuss first (in another thread) what is the true religion of God and which one is the real word of God- The Bible or The Qur’an?

Thx & peace,

deen
Interesting topic for a thread, but I wouldn’t expect it to have any constructive effect. Anyways, I’m all for it! 😃
 
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Lisa4Catholics:
The respect for women is underwhelming:nope: Gross for all of it!
hey Lisa4catholics

I would encourage you to talk to women converts to Islam and ask them directly how they feel as muslim woman…you’d be surprised. If you are interested, you can find many if you go to whyislam.org/forum
 
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Faith 101

Yes, decendants of Hagar!!! THE GOD OF THE CATHOLICS REMEMBERS AND LOVES YOU!!!

Hey The Eurasian

I havent gotten answers to the 72 virgin question yet (most probably due to the fact that i havent had a chance to ask anyone 😃 ) but God willing, I will.

God is The loving, He loves those people who are working hard to please Him, even if they fall short everytime…doesnt really matter where you came from or from who you descended…we are all Adam’s children
 
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flameburns623:
As I think the Muslim posters have made clear–while the discussion of 72 virgins, young boys, etcetera, sounds very carnal to Western eyes–the point is that these are seen as SYMBOLIC or FIGURATIVE ways of picturing the delights of the Islamic Paradise. The whole point of Munawar’s post that the human body is in the grave is that in Heaven the Redeemed will not have literal bodies with which to ‘enjoy’ the delights of these things. He at least seems to be advocating an interpretation which makes of the ‘72 virgins’ a word-picture of what Heaven will seem like. By the way–most of the denigrating comments about women in Islam come from specific post-Qur’anic writers, not from the Qur’an itself. We can find parallels for such comments in Christian patristic writings and should bear that in mind.

One should distinguish between several things in Islamic authority. First, there is the Qur’an itself which is believed by Muslims to be the words of God dictated literally to Muhammed and addressing all human beings directly. (This is why there is such a turmoil over the possible desecration of the Qur’an in the Middle East). Then there are the Hadith, various collections of the sayings of Muhammed as recorded by persons who knew him or knew someone close to him. These were put together in the secodn Islamic century and in citing the Hadith one should remember that all Hadith are NOT equal in authority. Various redactors of the Hadith assign different levels of reliability to the Hadith based upon whether the saying was attested to by one, two, three, or four or more persons. The level of reliability of the individual is also taken into consideration. There are at least six major collections of Hadith. In addition there are early commentaries on the Qur’an and the Hadith. Finally there are learned opinions and practical applications of the Qur’an by Islamic scholars.

Often, Christian critics of Islam–and Islamic revisionists, both Muslims and non-Muslims–cite these various sources indiscriminately. It is important to realize that the Qur’an has absolute authority over Islamic belief and practice, while the Hadith, the Commentaries, and the learned opinions have less authority on a sort of ‘sliding scale’ of importance. It is not much different than the way Christians view the Scriptures versus the Creeds, versus the opinions of the Patristic Fathers, versus later scholarly exegesis of Scripture. A lot of what gets fobbed-off as Islamic teaching turns out to be speculative applications on the Qur’an, often popularizers of Islam who are addressing a specific and not particularly sophisticated audience. By the way–there are various venues by which one can obtain a free Qur’an, although getting the Hadith is somewhat more difficult and expensive–they run to several volumes.
What about Mohammed’s life…his example…

My neighbor just named her new daughter Aisha…I wanted to find out the roots of this name and she did not know so I checked to see if it could be found … this is what the name means and why it is quite popular in the East …


Popular Arabic feminine name from the feminine form a’isha - “alive and well” - of ’asha - “to live”. It is given most often in honour of the** third**and beloved wife of Muhammad, A’isha bint-Abi-Bakr (c.613-678), who he married, apparently, when she was only nine years old. Proud, strong, and easily envious, she vehemently opposed one of Muhammad’s successors, 'Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, but after leading the rebels herself she was defeated and spent the rest of her life in pious religious practice. 15/4/2004 -

I am wondering if muslim men still marry young girls like this child and if they can still take more than one wife. If not I am wondering why not since Mohammed had at least 11 wives so his example is as important as what he taught.

**Thank You, **
Shalom.
Catherine
 
I’m pretty sure the Quran says you can only have up to 4 wives. That makes me wonder why Mohammed would have had 11 if that is true.
 
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exoflare:
I’m pretty sure the Quran says you can only have up to 4 wives. That makes me wonder why Mohammed would have had 11 if that is true.
While not a Moslem myself I nonetheless feel that there is a lot of prejudice against Islam that has been built up over the centuries and after reading the initial article referred to on this thread I found it to be decidedly biased. Check out some of the other articles and you’ll see they are very slanted.

The descriptions of paradise are allegorical and not meant to imply satisfaction of lust in the after life. You can also see similar allegories in the Song of Soloman where the Church has officially interpreted it as an allegory between Christ abd His Church.

Prophet Muhammad was initially married to Khadijah for about twenty years and after her death He married other women…usually these women were either widowed after the death of their husbands who were Companions of the Prophet that died in battle or they were marriages to cement alliances between people.

The marriage with Aisha was arranged to cement the friendship between the Prophet and Abu Bakr His close Companion. Aisha had already even as a child been promised to a Meccan pagan but was rejected because she was a Moslem…so the Prophet married her. The reputed young age of Ayesha at marriage has drawn attention these days but again this early marriage was contracted for social reasons not because of lust.

The limit of four wives was set after these marriages occurred… Prior to this, there was no limit to the marriages of the Meccan pagans and women had even less rights to inherit and so on…
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arthra:
While not a Moslem myself I nonetheless feel that there is a lot of prejudice against Islam
Everything you said in your post is true. Well-said, and I thank you for trying to view our faith impartially and seeing through all the centuries of bigoted stereotypes! 🙂
 
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Munawar:
Hi Everyone,

I am a Muslim. Someone on this forum asked me (and others) to come by this forum to answer questions about Islam. A friend of mine wrote up this answer in relation to Paradise Questions and I will post it below. If I break any TOS’s then I guess the Admins can let me know.

Regarding Paradise:

Allah said:‘I have prepared for My righteous servants what no eye has seen and no ear has heard, not has it occurred to human heart’. (Hadith)
That’s a copycat version of what’s in our Bible!
Since the Quran is written for all humans, whether base or very spiritual or intellection.
I beg to differ. The Qur’an is NOT WRITTEN for us Christians because we do not believe in it’s validity.
For some men, It is their nature to want to love more than one woman. So telling a man that if he works hard in this world, he will get multiple, beautiful wives in Paradise, this is just a way of encouraging men to work hard for Paradise.

We should also remember that there are non tangible rewards in Paradise, of which the most important is that the people of Paradise will see Allah face to face. They will also have the good pleasure of Allah. They will be with their families. They will be of a youthful age. They will never get bored. And so on, the Quran relates all these things and many more.

So to sum up : both men and women will get to see, hear and feel things in Paradise that they do not get in this world. The pleasure and delights of Paradise are better than anything you can ever have in this world. The Quran has tried to give an idea of these rewards, by its description of Paradise, as an encouragement for both men and women to do good actions and stay away from forbidden things. This description includes many things that both men and women find delight in in this world, and includes - at least for men - the prospect of multiple, beautiful wives
Since there will be no need for procreation in Heaven, there’s not going to be any sex there. Many, many people keep forgetting that procreation is sex’s main purpose, not lust or self gratification!
 
Islam’s sensual paradise just mirrors the sick-mind of Islam’s only prophet Mohammed. Mohammed’s quran sets upper limit of marrying 4 wives, But, first muslim mohammed violated this and married more than 11 wives. He even married his own daughter-in-law, He justified that by producing his own verse. He was also interesting in pre-pubescent baby girls, married 6 year old Ayesha. Mohammed was guilty of every sexual immorality.

No wonder why Islam’s paradise is also as perverted as his mind.

What else be the better idea for brainwashing your fellow gang members to fight for Mohammed ?
If you die in Jihad expedition, you will get 72 virgins.
If you win in Jihad expedition, you will get lot of booty including beautiful women captives.

In both cases, It is win-win situation of believers of Mohammed.

Allah’s Promise of 72 Virgins in Islam’s Sensual Paradise.

Mohammed knew that sex would sell very well among the group of his lecherous followers who were motivated to fight battles by the promise of sex slaves and booty. By constantly emphasizing to his followers that they would get untouched virgins in Paradise, Mohammed is clearly expressing his “high” opinion of the institution of marriage and his fairness to women. Once the followers go to heaven, they can conveniently ditch their wives for the fresher and more pleasurable sexual encounters with ‘Houris’ (beautiful virgins).

Koran 78:31
As for the righteous, they shall surely triumph. Theirs shall be gardens and vineyards, and high- bosomed virgins for companions: a truly overflowing cup.

Koran 37:40-48
…They will sit with bashful, dark-eyed virgins, as chaste as the sheltered eggs of ostriches.

Koran 44:51-55
…Yes and We shall wed them to dark-eyed houris. (beautiful virgins)

Koran 52:17-20
…They shall recline on couches ranged in rows. **To dark-eyed houris (virgins) we shall wed them… **

Koran 55:56-57
In them will be **bashful virgins ** neither man nor Jinn will have touched before.Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?"

Koran 55:57-58
Virgins as fair as corals and rubies. Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?"

Koran 56:7-40
…We created the houris (the beautiful women) and made them virgins, loving companions for those on the right hand… "

Koran 55:70-77
"In each **there shall be virgins chaste and fair… Dark eyed virgins sheltered in their tents whom neither man nor Jin will have touched before… **
 
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