Article about sex after death in islam

[Munawar]

iamrefreshed:

Hello Munawar,

If I understand your post correctly, you are saying that since mankind cannot comprehend paradise, God lied to Muhammed and made up things we could understand in order to have us follow Islam?

Hello Iamrefreshed,

Everything that is listed in the Quran about Paradise is true, and will exist in Paradise (ie Mansions, 72 wives etc).

But what are 72 wives, when you can stand in the presence of God?

The point is that Paradise is explained in order to please every type of Human. The Senualist, the spiritualist, the materialist, the intellectual etc.

But the descriptions are simply a shade on what is really there.

 

[exoflare]

Where in the Koran is standing “in the presence” of God even mentioned?

 

[iamrefreshed]

Munawar:

Hello Iamrefreshed,

Everything that is listed in the Quran about Paradise is true, and will exist in Paradise (ie Mansions, 72 wives etc).

But what are 72 wives, when you can stand in the presence of God?

The point is that Paradise is explained in order to please every type of Human. The Senualist, the spiritualist, the materialist, the intellectual etc.

But the descriptions are simply a shade on what is really there.

Maybe I am missing something.

Are you telling me that God explains paradise to me in earthly terms so that I will want to be a part of it and I will choose to follow Islam?

 

[iamrefreshed]

Munawar:

Hello Iamrefreshed,

Everything that is listed in the Quran about Paradise is true, and will exist in Paradise (ie Mansions, 72 wives etc).

But what are 72 wives, when you can stand in the presence of God?

The point is that Paradise is explained in order to please every type of Human. The Senualist, the spiritualist, the materialist, the intellectual etc.

But the descriptions are simply a shade on what is really there.

 

[Shenango]

exoflare:

Where in the Koran is standing “in the presence” of God even mentioned?

Hey Exoflare,

I don’t believe Munawar was quoting the Qur’an literally. In any case, here’s one verse that mentions what you’re asking about.

 

[Munawar]

iamrefreshed:

Maybe I am missing something.

Are you telling me that God explains paradise to me in earthly terms so that I will want to be a part of it and I will choose to follow Islam?

Hello Iamrefreshed,

In the Quran, paradise is explained in terms that humans will understand.

And yes, the beauty of Paradise is one reason for Muslims to do good. For some people, “Loving God” (The best reason) is not good enough to be a good Muslim.

Munawar

 

[exoflare]

Shenango:

Hey Exoflare,

I don’t believe Munawar was quoting the Qur’an literally. In any case, here’s one verse that mentions what you’re asking about.

I have a Muslim friend that told me that God does not have a physical form of any sort, and that we are never able to see him. According to what you said, does what he told me not comply with true Muslim belief?

 

[Shenango]

iamrefreshed:

Maybe I am missing something.

Are you telling me that God explains paradise to me in earthly terms so that I will want to be a part of it and I will choose to follow Islam?

God explains Paradise to you in terms your finite human mind can understand, plain and simple. That’s not to say that Paradise is actually something altogether different than what is described. The Qur’an’s description of Paradise contains no motivation behind it: it is what it is. You’re free to follow Islam or not to.

 

[FCEGM]

Franze:

Very good for comprehend something about the muslim psique
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This ties in with the following from a NY Times article:

“The mujahideen [are] assured of entering Paradise before the first drop of their blood [falls] to earth… The martyrs are promised 72 houris [each] in Paradise. These houris [perpetual virgins, black-eyed and nubile] are more beautiful than all the beauties of the world combined. I have studied more than 600 wills of mujahideen. . . There is hardly any will that escapes this concept. All the mujahideen have mentioned the houris as an important incentive for waging jihad. The Paradise with houris is the prime objective of these mujahideen. . . they refuse to get married because they want to get married in Paradise.” In his final instructions to them, alleged September 11 hijacker-in-chief Mohammed Atta reassured his fellow fanatics, “You should feel complete tranquillity, because the time between you and your marriage in heaven is very short.” When Palestinians commit a suicide bombing in Israel, their deaths are announced in Palestinian newspapers as weddings: “The Wedding of the Martyr Ali Khadr Al-Yassini to the Black-Eyed in Eternal Paradise.” (NY Times Sunday Magazine 10/28/01, “What Makes a Suicide Bomber?” p. 51.)

Apparently God’s lying about the pleasures awaiting the faithful reaps its own rewards.

 

[Munawar]

exoflare:

Where in the Koran is standing “in the presence” of God even mentioned?

Hi ExoFlare,

Here are two verses where the righteous will be in the presence of Allah:

“Think not of those, who have been slain in the cause of ALLAH, as dead. Nay, they are living, in the presence of their Lord, and are granted gifts from HIM;” Quran(3:170)

“Verily, the righteous will be in the midst of Gardens and streams,
In an internal and honoured abode in the presence of the Omnipotent King.”
Quran( 54:55-56)

 

[iamrefreshed]

Shenango:

God explains Paradise to you in terms your finite human mind can understand, plain and simple. That’s not to say that Paradise is actually something altogether different than what is described. The Qur’an’s description of Paradise contains no motivation behind it: it is what it is. You’re free to follow Islam or not to.

I don’t think I am free to follow Islam or not according to Sura 2:6-7

“Surely those who disbelieve, it being alike to them whether you warn them, or do not warn them, will not believe. Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and there is a covering over their eyes, and there is a great punishment for them”.

This also tells me that, since I have the seal set by Allah, I would never need paradise decribed to me in earthly terms I can understand. Allah has already decided my fate. The whole point of convincing me of the treasures awaiting in paradise is therefore, not valid.

 

[Lisa4Catholics]

Munawar:

Hello Iamrefreshed,

Everything that is listed in the Quran about Paradise is true, and will exist in Paradise (ie Mansions, 72 wives etc).

But what are 72 wives, when you can stand in the presence of God?

The point is that Paradise is explained in order to please every type of Human. The Senualist, the spiritualist, the materialist, the intellectual etc.

But the descriptions are simply a shade on what is really there.

But what of the homosexual “young boy” experience in paradise? Why is that there?I do not understand at all?The virgin thing did not surprise me this however…

 

[exoflare]

Lisa4Catholics:

But what of the homosexual “young boy” experience in paradise? Why is that there?I do not understand at all?The virgin thing did not surprise me this however…

I don’t think it mentions specifically in the Quran that they are specifically homosexual boys, as one of the Muslims on this board will probably be quick to tell you not long after I post this. However, it is tacitly understood that this is probably what was meant due to cultural factors.

 

[Shenango]

exoflare:

I don’t think it mentions specifically in the Quran that they are specifically homosexual boys, as one of the Muslims on this board will probably be quick to tell you not long after I post this. However, it is tacitly understood that this is probably what was meant due to cultural factors.

Hey Exoflare,

You’re correct. The youth servants of paradise are not sexual servants. In fact, if you read the verses just prior to Surah 76:19, you’ll see it’s talking about various mouth-watering drinks being passed out in cups. The servant boys are nothing more than waiters who “serve” these delights to the residents of Paradise.

In Paradise you have everything you wish brought to you, so that you don’t have to get up and get it to yourself. That after all, is the point of Paradise. The reward for hard work in this life is carefree existence in the next.

 

[Eden]

What is the reward for women?

 

[Shenango]

Eden:

What is the reward for women?

Other verses in the Qur’an say that women will have an equal reward as that of men, and that neither sex will enjoy Paradise any more or less. However, the Qur’an does not speak of sexual rewards for women because God wishes to guard ladies’ modesty, while speaking of sexual rewards for men is not unpalatable.

 

[Shenango]

iamrefreshed:

This also tells me that, since I have the seal set by Allah, I would never need paradise decribed to me in earthly terms I can understand. Allah has already decided my fate. The whole point of convincing me of the treasures awaiting in paradise is therefore, not valid.

Iamrefreshed,

Islam does not teach the doctrine of predestination, nor that one’s philosophy in life should be fatalism. We all have full free will. This page should answer your objections.

 

[Shenango]

exoflare:

I have a Muslim friend that told me that God does not have a physical form of any sort, and that we are never able to see him. According to what you said, does what he told me not comply with true Muslim belief?

Hey Exoflare,

Unfortunately, this is somewhat of a tough question. Whether God has a tangible physical form or not, the one thing that is clear to me is that if He does, we do not see it in this life. The next life is another question altogether, and is the questionable arena.

There are Hadiths that say that Abraham (PBUH), on the Judgement Day, will hold up the throne of God (presumably with God on it), and other ones that say that God will turn His face away from certain people on Judgement Day.

See, the way we are made to imagine Judgement Day in Islam, geographically speaking, is that people are resurrected from their graves and assembled on the plain of Judgement in a long line, or perhaps several, each person stepping forward to go be judged before God when he or she’s called. The person will have a chance to try to excuse his sins if he so wishes (wicked people will try to anyway), and answer for all that he or she did in their lives. The way this plays out makes me think that God has to have some sort of physical manifestation we can see in the next life (if we’re to stand in front of, face to face with), taking such Hadiths very literally.

But could there be a figurative take on these Hadiths? I do not know. I encourage you to research the issue on Muslim sites.

 

[iamrefreshed]

Shenango:

Iamrefreshed,

Islam does not teach the doctrine of predestination, nor that one’s philosophy in life should be fatalism. We all have full free will. This page should answer your objections.

Then how do you explain Sura 2:6-7?

 

[Lisa4Catholics]

Shenango:

Hey Exoflare,

You’re correct. The youth servants of paradise are not sexual servants. In fact, if you read the verses just prior to Surah 76:19, you’ll see it’s talking about various mouth-watering drinks being passed out in cups. The servant boys are nothing more than waiters who “serve” these delights to the residents of Paradise.

In Paradise you have everything you wish brought to you, so that you don’t have to get up and get it to yourself. That after all, is the point of Paradise. The reward for hard work in this life is carefree existence in the next.

Did you read what was presented as a link on the thread starter?