Artificial Contraception: Why it is very Charitable & Realistic

[AgnosTheist]

It is not the natural design for sex.

Do you really believe that? By that logic since mouth-to-genital acts are not ‘natural designs for sex’, then you are against it. Such a bore! Cant agree with that. Nature’s gift of human reason is for overriding the various limitations of nature. Like there is nothing wrong in using the tongue for sex. Likewise there is nothing wrong with the withrawal method.

And it’s not a reliable form of birth control, as has already been said on this thread.

Better than nothing. To tell you the truth, its what I use most and it served me perfectly well in keeping my family size small. Its a skill that i have become very good at. We can have sex any time! No waiting periods! Amen!

 

[Sean_Boyle]

To tell you the truth, its what I use most and it served me perfectly well in keeping my family size small.

How many kids do you have?

response to your answer… That is one to many given your financial situation to be viewed as a responsible human being.

How do you justify having that many children with the world in the state it’s in?

 

[mlchance]

nah. euthanasia is simply helping a person who wishes to die to end his suffering. its charitable too in my opinion.

As usual, you end up with false conclusion because of flawed premises. For example, the Earth is not overpopulated, and your assessment of euthanasia ignores the fact that everywhere it has been legalized, people are killed without their consent.

For someone whose sig applaud reason, you’re arguments tend overwhelmingly toward unreasonable.

– Mark L. Chance.

 

[StratusRose]

Don’t feed the troll, guys.

 

[AgnosTheist]

How many kids do you have?

One so far. We’ll be trying for another one starting in New Year.

response to your answer… That is one to many given your financial situation to be viewed as a responsible human being.

cant stop having sex. she came out a year ahead of plan!

How do you justify having that many children with the world in the state it’s in?

I believe in having just enough kids to replace the current population. Lets keep this number while it is still a safe amount.

 

[Sean_Boyle]

I believe in having just enough kids to replace the current population. Lets keep this number while it is still a safe amount.

Your original post said that the world was “drowning in human population”, and “reduced family sizes helps conserve rescources.”

How is it that maintaining the current population is acceptable to anyone, isn’t there already irreversible damage being done to the earth and its resources with the current population? What is the reasoning for the difference in the two opinions from the same person?

Isn’t one child better than two! Isn’t the option of “no children” better than one child!

Please explain!

I think I know why this is, but I’d like to hear it, from you.

 

[AgnosTheist]

How is it that maintaining the current population is acceptable to anyone, isn’t there already irreversible damage being done to the earth and its resources with the current population? What is the reasoning for the difference in the two opinions from the same person?

wrong use of terms. i believe in at least maintaining the current numbers. that way someone is always there to take care of the aging population.

Isn’t one child better than two! Isn’t the option of “no children” better than one child!

look at it this way, with the limited size of the earth 7 billion humans is a lot better than 70 billion humans all crowding the same space.

 

[gardenswithkids]

Its natural for us humans to use our brain in order to survive. Sometimes its necessary to destroy forests to survive. And sometimes its necessary to preserve forests for long term survival.

The use of our brain- thats natural. God gave us reason, not religion. Amen!

i know that. you folks are easily distracted. im not promoting their draconian methods. in answer to the question, china merely served as an example of how family planning helped improve the chinese people.

I use my brain. You look at forced abortions and sterilization to achieve population reduction you desire and you *still *claim “family planning helped improve the Chinese people”. Had you found your de-population example from Europe where couples voluntarily reduced the number of children, the discussion would be different.

You chose as your example a place where the *government *told families how many children they could have (1) , and you also claim that contraception is neccesary for the long term survival. Put it together. If other people don’t agree with your “contraception and de-population saves the world” ideology and we keep reproducing humans in large numbers, somewhere along the line, people who hold *your *ideology might impliment “family planning” by force.

 

[ElizabethAnne]

Do you really believe that? By that logic since mouth-to-genital acts are not ‘natural designs for sex’, then you are against it. Such a bore! Cant agree with that. Nature’s gift of human reason is for overriding the various limitations of nature. Like there is nothing wrong in using the tongue for sex. Likewise there is nothing wrong with the withrawal method.

Yes, I would say the same of oral sex. Acts that lead to sex in the way it was designed, are another matter, of course.

Better than nothing. To tell you the truth, its what I use most and it served me perfectly well in keeping my family size small. Its a skill that i have become very good at. We can have sex any time! No waiting periods! Amen!

RyanL said it better than I can.

I disagree on a couple of counts.

1. I disagree that it’s respectful to women.
2. I disagree that it “works well”. For most men, there’s a slight amount of ejaculate present at the onset of intercourse and that ejaculate contains sperm. This sperm, even if it’s only present in small quantities, can get a gal preggers (i.e., it only takes one swimmer).
3. I disagree that it’s a “perfect partner” for NFP (see #1 and #2)
4. I disagree that the Catholic view of sex being one of the holiest things humans can do, and should therefore be done reverently and with much joy, is “too extreme”.

God Bless,
RyanL

 

[AgnosTheist]

I use my brain. You look at forced abortions and sterilization to achieve population reduction you desire and you *still *claim “family planning helped improve the Chinese people”. Had you found your de-population example from Europe where couples voluntarily reduced the number of children, the discussion would be different.

ok i made the wrong example. the point is, family planning is a good method of tackling poverty.

Put it together. If other people don’t agree with your “contraception and de-population saves the world” ideology and we keep reproducing humans in large numbers, somewhere along the line, people who hold *your *ideology might impliment “family planning” by force.

my ideology is totally against the use of force.

 

[AgnosTheist]

Yes, I would say the same of oral sex. Acts that lead to sex in the way it was designed, are another matter, of course.

that we should limit our sexual activities to how animals do it. thank goodness such extremist & conservative opinions are very rare even among catholics.

RyanL said it better than I can.

just check out my response for him.

 

[Sean_Boyle]

ok i made the wrong example. the point is, family planning is a good method of tackling poverty.

my ideology is totally against the use of force.

So you believe the poor shouldn’t be allowed to reproduce like the rest of society?!

So your against the use of force, but believe that the poor should be eliminated through selective breeding until there are no more of the poorer classes of people.

You won’t be able to accomplish that without force. The poor will most certainly fight for their God given human rights.

 

[AgnosTheist]

You won’t be able to accomplish that without force. The poor will most certainly fight for their God given human rights.

guess again:

census.gov.ph/data/pressrelease/1998/press9802tx.html

 

[Sean_Boyle]

guess again:

census.gov.ph/data/pressrelease/1998/press9802tx.html

How does this survey prove that the poor class will not fight for their God given rights if they are told that they have to limit the size of their families by an authority other than God?

Care to answer the question in post 131?

 

[AgnosTheist]

How does this survey prove that the poor class will not fight for their God given rights if they are told that they have to limit the size of their families by an authority other than God?

you made the false argument that the poor will only use contraception through force. that survery proves you wrong.

Care to answer the question in post 131?

my answer is no.

 

[Sean_Boyle]

So you believe the poor shouldn’t be allowed to reproduce like the rest of society?! Your answer is NO

So your against the use of force, but believe that the poor should be eliminated through selective breeding until there are no more of the poorer classes of people.

You won’t be able to accomplish that without force. The poor will most certainly fight for their God given human rights.

Each part follows the previous.

So you believe that the poor have a right to reproduce like the rest of society, right? Odd because they are draining our resources as you say.

How is contraception going to tackle poverity then, if the poor are treated like the rest of society. In your report the poor from the rural areas used contraception less than the weathy cities. If contraception is going to help poverity then someone must make the poor contracept because they aren’t doing it on their own. See your report. Now you can see where force come in.

 

[ElizabethAnne]

I think its respectful in the event that your wife craves for sex outside her period. Doing your sexual obligation would honor her. (if you dont feel like it, dont say its an obligation. pretend you are craving for sex too. )

it works well because its more realistic than abstinence. abstinence is hardly kept, for couples randomly becomes heated. And in the event that a couple ends up having sex outside of the period, the withrawal method is better than nothing. And withrawal is a skill that men can become very good at. I know I am harharhar!

NFP for periods. Withrawal for non-periods. Perfect Partner!

As per your request, I am checking out your response to RyanL. I do not understand your statement about “outside her period.” With NFP, a woman’s period is just a small part of her infertile time. And, as RyanL pointed out, a woman can become pregnant even if her husband uses the withdrawl method. So if a couple has a serious reason to postpone pregnancy, why in the world would they have sex on the days when a woman is most likely to conceive?

If it is because they “can’t” practice abstinance, then I ask, what happens when one spouse is injured? When one spouse is tired? When the wife is recovering from childbirth?

And you, not conservatives, are the one who is reducing sex to an animalistic act.

 

[AgnosTheist]

So you believe that the poor have a right to reproduce like the rest of society, right?

of course.

Odd because they are draining our resources as you say.

yeah just like the rich. so its also advisable for the rich to practice family planning.

How is contraception going to tackle poverity then, if the poor are treated like the rest of society.

usaid.gov/our_work/global_health/pop/popfaq.html#1

**1. Why is family planning critical to successful development programs?

Family planning assistance saves lives, improves health, contributes to healthier children, and prevents abortion.

Those countries in the developing world that have invested in health and education and have provided women access to family planning and reproductive health programs have experienced faster economic growth than those that have not. When couples can choose the number, timing and spacing of their children, they are better able to adequately feed and educate their children, potentially ending the cycle of poverty. Communities thrive, and in turn, countries fare better. Today the greatest deficits in access to health services can be found in the poorest segments of the population. By channeling resources to family planning, nations can save lives, stabilize population growth, slow the spread of AIDS, reduce poverty and improve women’s position in society**.
have you seen the light, brother? HAVE YOU SEEN THE LIGHT!!!?

If contraception is going to help poverity then someone must make the poor contracept because they aren’t doing it on their own.

education is the key.

 

[AgnosTheist]

I do not understand your statement about “outside her period.”

I meant to say “her fertile days”.

With NFP, a woman’s period is just a small part of her infertile time. And, as RyanL pointed out, a woman can become pregnant even if her husband uses the withdrawl method. So if a couple has a serious reason to postpone pregnancy, why in the world would they have sex on the days when a woman is most likely to conceive?

wiki.answers.com/Q/How_effective_is_the_withdrawal_method*Contrary to popular opinion, the withdrawal method is a very effective birth control measure. Depending on the skill of the man in withdrawing the penis, the method can be 73%-96% effective. *Thats what I’ve been talking about. No contraceptive method is 100% effective, but at least the Withrawal Method offers a high rate of control for couples who couldnt control themselves in times of the wife’s fertile days.

If it is because they “can’t” practice abstinance, then I ask, what happens when one spouse is injured? When one spouse is tired? When the wife is recovering from childbirth?

When my wife was recovering from childbirth, I would masturbate.

And you, not conservatives, are the one who is reducing sex to an animalistic act.

Animals sure cant handle many of our creative approaches & rationales to sexuality. But the Catholic approach, its like 90% animal-compatible.

 

[Sean_Boyle]

of course.

yeah just like the rich. so its also advisable for the rich to practice family planning. So your taking back everything you said about contraception ending poverity? That is a complete flip-flop

usaid.gov/our_work/global_health/pop/popfaq.html#1

1. Why is family planning critical to successful development programs?

*Family planning assistance saves lives, improves health, contributes to healthier children, and prevents abortion. *

Those countries in the developing world that have invested in health and education and have provided women access to family planning and reproductive health programs have experienced faster economic growth than those that have not. When couples can choose the number, timing and spacing of their children, they are better able to adequately feed and educate their children, potentially ending the cycle of poverty. Communities thrive, and in turn, countries fare better. Today the greatest deficits in access to health services can be found in the poorest segments of the population. By channeling resources to family planning, nations can save lives, stabilize population growth, slow the spread of AIDS, reduce poverty and improve women’s position in society. How do these fallible individuals have an more authority than anyone else? THEY DON"T!! Where’s your light now?

education is the key.

And when that doesn’t work, then what?? More of what didn’t work in the first place, brilliant!!

Spending valuable resources in an effort to save valuable resources, an effort that never worked in the first place.