As a Catholic must I vote Trump?

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Just because he is pro-life or leans that way. There are many other aspects of him I honestly do not condone. I feel foolish voting for someone based on one issue.
 
While I’m voting for him because Democrats are evidently enemies of the church and I’ll vote for anybody that is best situated to hurt them, you’re not morally obligated to vote for anybody.

You’re morally obligated to not vote for pro-abortion politicians, but that doesn’t mean you have to vote for somebody else. You could just stay home, or just down ballot.
 
CRATUS said:
Just because he is pro-life or leans that way. There are many other aspects of him I honestly do not condone. I feel foolish voting for someone based on one issue.
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I think the fundamental difference between Democrats and Republicans is not just about abortion: sexual immorality, “gender theory”, crushing of religious conscience in the public arena, “gay marriage”, rampant secularism and hedonism, embryonic stem cell research (and soon, hybrid animal-human embryos, I kid you not it’s under consideration and technically feasible at this point).

That’s not even getting to Hilary’s corruption and financial/political ties to the Middle East.

Donald Trump is not a saint. But God willing, he’s a better choice to steer this country in a correct direction.
 
ARSpade said:
While I’m voting for him because Democrats are evidently enemies of the church and I’ll vote for anybody that is best situated to hurt them, you’re not morally obligated to vote for anybody.

You’re morally obligated to not vote for pro-abortion politicians, but that doesn’t mean you have to vote for somebody else. You could just stay home, or just down ballot.
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I do not find this persuasive.

If, indeed, Clinton and her party are enemies of the Church and promote deeply immoral policies (in which you are to participate at least passively) then I see no escape from a duty to vote against her and her party. No third party has a ghost of a chance, so that’s a wasted vote.

Do we have a moral obligation to oppose evil when opportunity presents that is within our power? I do not see where that can be escaped.

It seems inescapably wrong to me not to do it, the only question being the degree of moral fault.
 
MUST you vote Trump? No!

Otherwise all would have had to vote for Ron Paul, who is probably the most pro-life politician out there. And most Catholics didn’t when they had the chance.
 
2240 Submission to authority and co-responsibility for the common good make it morally obligatory to pay taxes, to exercise the right to vote, and to defend one’s country:
 
Ridgerunner said:
I do not find this persuasive.

If, indeed, Clinton and her party are enemies of the Church and promote deeply immoral policies (in which you are to participate at least passively) then I see no escape from a duty to vote against her and her party. No third party has a ghost of a chance, so that’s a wasted vote.

Do we have a moral obligation to oppose evil when opportunity presents that is within our power? I do not see where that can be escaped.

It seems inescapably wrong to me not to do it, the only question being the degree of moral fault.
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What if the whole “enemies of the Church” thing is based on urban legend that has been fact-checked and debunked on snopes, etc.? I, for one, find it incredulous that a LUTHERAN and a CATHOLIC would deny meeting the Pope (Head of State) which has been customary for every prior U.S. president, including Obama, in their bid to (supposedly) outlaw the practice of Catholicism in the U.S. The available evidence simply doesn’t corroborate those fears. There’s no evidence women are rushing to get pregnant and then WAITING NINE ENTIRE MONTHS before suddenly decide to kill their babies en masse, particularly at a time when abortions are DECLINING (not increasing), and accordingly, there’s simply no evidence to substantiate the fear that Catholicism will be outlawed.

No, as a Catholic, you don’t have vote for Trump.
 
As a Catholic, you should vote for Mike Maturen of the American Solidarity Pary. The ASP is based on Catholic teachings, is pro-life and pro-family, and supports social justice. If you vote for him, or write him, you can leave the polling place with a clean conscience.
 
tomgosse said:
As a Catholic, you should vote for Mike Maturen of the American Solidarity Pary. The ASP is based on Catholic teachings, is pro-life and pro-family, and supports social justice. If you vote for him, or write him, you can leave the polling place with a clean conscience.
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Or Evan McMullin. Can’t go wrong with Maturen or McMullen - who’s already expected to beat Trump in Utah.
 
No.
  1. In this statement, we bishops do not intend to tell Catholics for whom or against whom to vote.
Our purpose is to help Catholics form their consciences in accordance with God’s truth. We recognize that the responsibility to make choices in political life rests with each individual in light of a properly formed conscience, and that participation goes well beyond casting a vote in a particular election.
  1. Catholics often face difficult choices about how to vote. This is why it is so important to vote according to a well-formed conscience that perceives the proper relationship among moral goods. A Catholic cannot vote for a candidate who favors a policy promoting an intrinsically evil act, such as abortion, euthanasia, assisted suicide, deliberately subjecting workers or the poor to subhuman living conditions, redefining marriage in ways that violate its essential meaning, or racist behavior, if the voter’s intent is to support that position. In such cases, a Catholic would be guilty of formal cooperation in grave evil. At the same time, a voter should not use a candidate’s opposition to an intrinsic evil to justify indifference or inattentiveness to other important moral issues involving human life and dignity.
  2. There may be times when a Catholic who rejects a candidate’s unacceptable position even on policies promoting an intrinsically evil act may reasonably decide to vote for that candidate for other morally grave reasons. Voting in this way would be permissible only for truly grave moral reasons, not to advance narrow interests or partisan preferences or to ignore a fundamental moral evil.
usccb.org/issues-and-action/faithful-citizenship/forming-consciences-for-faithful-citizenship-part-one.cfm
 
tomgosse said:
As a Catholic, you should vote for Mike Maturen of the American Solidarity Pary. The ASP is based on Catholic teachings, is pro-life and pro-family, and supports social justice. If you vote for him, or write him, you can leave the polling place with a clean conscience.
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I want my vote to COUNT…
Plus, some of their policies are a NO way. I think they are for socialized healthcare.
 
randomuser said:
What if the whole “enemies of the Church” thing is based on urban legend that has been fact-checked and debunked on snopes, etc.? I, for one, find it incredulous that a LUTHERAN and a CATHOLIC would deny meeting the Pope (Head of State) which has been customary for every prior U.S. president, including Obama, in their bid to (supposedly) outlaw the practice of Catholicism in the U.S. The available evidence simply doesn’t corroborate those fears. There’s no evidence women are rushing to get pregnant and then WAITING NINE ENTIRE MONTHS before suddenly decide to kill their babies en masse, particularly at a time when abortions are DECLINING (not increasing), and accordingly, there’s simply no evidence to substantiate the fear that Catholicism will be outlawed.

No, as a Catholic, you don’t have vote for Trump.
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I’ll grant that if the Obama Administration’s suing the Little Sisters of the Poor to force them to act against conscience under penalty of prosecution, and if the Clinton organization’s setting up organizations to deceive Catholics into defying the teachings of the Church don’t convince you the Dem leaders are sufficiently anti-Catholic to use the power of the state to suppress Catholicism, then nothing will.

A religion doesn’t have to be directly “outlawed” to be oppressed. After all, neither Lutheranism nor Catholicism was “outlawed” in Nazi Germany and Orthodoxy was not “outlawed” under the Soviets. But those churches were nevertheless severely oppressed.

And while it’s not really on point, there is no reason to think abortions are declining since more than half are achieved by abortifacients rather than by surgical extraction.

Encouraging third party voting is just one more Dem attempt to prevent prolife people from opposing the abortionr candidate in any meaningful way.
 
tomgosse said:
As a Catholic, you should vote for Mike Maturen of the American Solidarity Pary. The ASP is based on Catholic teachings, is pro-life and pro-family, and supports social justice. If you vote for him, or write him, you can leave the polling place with a clean conscience.
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As a Catholic, I would not purport to tell you how Orthodoxy requires that you vote.

Voting for the third party people is just a waste of a vote; something the Dems encourage all prolife people to do. They just don’t have the honesty to tell prolife people that they don’t want them to vote against abortion on demand. But that’s the reality of it.
 
CRATUS said:
Just because he is pro-life or leans that way. There are many other aspects of him I honestly do not condone. I feel foolish voting for someone based on one issue.
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Clinton is for killing babies up until Birth and not only that she has other VERY serious issues that, if it wasn’t for her cronies, including the FBI, and the media, she would be in jail for them already. She thinks she is above the law and they do all they can to keep her up there!!! Others have gone to jail for far less than what she has done!! I would trust Trump far sooner than I would her and we only have 2 choices. Throwing your vote away isn’t the smart thing to do in so critical an election. God Bless, Memaw
 
Review what the Catholic Church teaches about the various issues and decide for yourself.
That’s it.

For me, it’s an obvious choice.
I will not ever vote for someone who advocates and supports abortion.

What you do, is up to your own conscience.
 
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CRATUS said:
Just because he is pro-life or leans that way. There are many other aspects of him I honestly do not condone. I feel foolish voting for someone based on one issue.
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No.

See:
U.S. Catholics urged to weigh issues carefully as they enter voting booth

The document “Faithful Citizenship”, as cited there repeatedly, specifically states that “as Catholics we are not single issue voters”.

By the way, I don’t believe Trump on his pro-life stance (like on so many other issues), and I will not vote for him for several grave reasons.
 
Donald Trump is not a saint. But God willing, he’s a better choice to steer this country in a correct direction.

God has nothing to do with it, with Trump the Devil is in the detail. The USA is a Nation built by immigrants. Trumps anti-immigrant rants are as unAmerican as American history proves. Building his wall will split the continent and divide the US from her southern neighbours abandoning the long established Monroe Doctrine. His locker-room views on women hardly sit well with a faith that places Mary at its heart his business failures hardly
justify the belief he is some economic miracle worker. And finally his views on NATO and kow-towing to Putin’s Russia will destroy the Western Alliance built after 1945 that effectively won the Cold War.
Be careful what you ask of God when the Devil is listening.
 
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