As pope's U.S. visit nears, friction mounts over LGBT issues

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The World Meeting of Families, the central religious event of Pope Francis’ first visit to the United States, is intended to convey a message of love and joy as it seeks to promote church teaching on marriage. Yet four weeks away from its opening in Philadelphia, friction is mounting as lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender Roman Catholics lobby for a broader role in the event and organizers move to limit them…

…To counter the official message, New Ways Ministry and several allied groups have scheduled various programs - including a workshop on gender identity - to coincide with the Meeting of Families. The initial plan called for the programs to be held at a Catholic church in Philadelphia, but the LGBT groups said the church’s pastor rescinded the invitation at the urging of Chaput’s office. The LGBT groups said the events will be relocated to a nearby Methodist church…

Another area of contention is the status of openly gay employees at Catholic institutions in the U.S. Dozens of people have reported losing their jobs at such workplaces since 2010 over their same-sex relationships or support for gay marriage and gay rights, including Margie Winters, a married gay teacher dismissed in June by a Catholic school in Philadelphia.
 
People in the US see the Pope as something like the President: as someone who can completely change the ideology behind public policy by fiat.

Even the Pope can’t change Catholic Teaching (nor does he want to). Pope Francis is just emphasizing an aspect of the Catholic Faith which is often neglected by contemporary Catholics/people, which isn’t new with Pope Francis anyway: St. John Paul the Great and Pope Benedict XVI did similar things, but the Media decided not to drool over their comments out of context (Benedict’s comments on homosexuals are basically the same as Francis’s, and so forth).

The fact that Americans ignore the context and meaning of Pope Francis’s words shows how little we understand the Catholic faith, and how self-centered we are, as well as how Lust has destroyed our ability (and desire) to reason and learn.

Christi pax,

Lucretius

St. Augustine, pray for us!
 
anthony022071 said:
… The initial plan called for the programs to be held at a Catholic church in Philadelphia, but the LGBT groups said the church’s pastor rescinded the invitation at the urging of Chaput’s office. …
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A similar incident occurred in my parish about 10 years ago. Call to Action was going to hold a meeting in our parish, and when the bishop got wind of it, he informed our pastor to dis-invite them, so they went to a local conference center.
 
unstoppable_II said:
A similar incident occurred in my parish about 10 years ago. Call to Action was going to hold a meeting in our parish, and when the bishop got wind of it, he informed our pastor to dis-invite them, so they went to a local conference center.
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God bless your Bishop!

Christi pax,

Lucretius
 
Although I’m not surprised that the media has decided to focus on the LGBT angle for the World Meeting of the Families, I can’t help but be disappointed.

Consider that the Ashley Madison leaks indicate that there are 30,000,000 men who are either considering cheating on their spouse, or have no qualms with cheating on someone else’s spouse. Consider that while marriage may be the default goal for most relationship, more and more people are opting for another arrangement. Consider that many people seem to question whether marriage is even a good thing? How many people have fundamental doubts about monogamy, or the institution? How many people even see a point to marriage? How many people even believe a marriage can last…

I don’t know, maybe this is availability heuristic at work, but it seems like marriage and the nuclear family is in trouble for absolutely everyone (straight or gay, religious or not).It would be nice if people were interested in looking into solutions to those problems rather than focusing on an issue that can never be resolved.
 
MacBP said:
…It would be nice if people were interested in looking into solutions to those problems rather than focusing on an issue that can never be resolved.
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It would be nice if people did a little research into why things are the way they are before condemning all of society only to replace it with something else that is worse.
The study of history is a powerful antidote to contemporary arrogance. It is humbling to discover how many of our glib assumptions, which seem to us novel and plausible, have been tested before, not once but many times and in numerable guises; and discovered to be, at great human cost, wholly false. – Historian Paul Johnson
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MacBP said:
Although I’m not surprised that the media has decided to focus on the LGBT angle for the World Meeting of the Families, I can’t help but be disappointed.

Consider that the Ashley Madison leaks indicate that there are 30,000,000 men who are either considering cheating on their spouse, or have no qualms with cheating on someone else’s spouse. Consider that while marriage may be the default goal for most relationship, more and more people are opting for another arrangement. Consider that many people seem to question whether marriage is even a good thing? How many people have fundamental doubts about monogamy, or the institution? How many people even see a point to marriage? How many people even believe a marriage can last…

I don’t know, maybe this is availability heuristic at work, but it seems like marriage and the nuclear family is in trouble for absolutely everyone (straight or gay, religious or not).It would be nice if people were interested in looking into solutions to those problems rather than focusing on an issue that can never be resolved.
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I think its important that no matter what society does, the truth continues to be preached and not watered down.

The Truth is that God designed marriage to be for one man and one woman. Marriage is not a bond that can be broken by man, thus “re-marriage” after a “divorce” of a valid marriage is sinful.

Watering down the truth will only lead people away from God
 
shockerfan said:
Watering down the truth will only lead people away from God
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Honestly, though, is a change in emphasis is necessarily watering anything down? LGBT issues, in the West, are a lost cause. No change in emphasis or wording will suddenly make the masses rise up and accept Catholic teaching on these issues. Nothing short of affirmation will make a good proportion of the West happy, and since the Church can never affirm same-sex romantic relationships or transgenderism, I’m not sure what there’s left to discuss.
 
MacBP said:
Honestly, though, is a change in emphasis is necessarily watering anything down? LGBT issues, in the West, are a lost cause. No change in emphasis or wording will suddenly make the masses rise up and accept Catholic teaching on these issues. Nothing short of affirmation will make a good proportion of the West happy, and since the Church can never affirm same-sex romantic relationships or transgenderism, I’m not sure what there’s left to discuss.
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I get your point…but…we’re Catholic…we don’t get to “give up”.
 
I hope the Pope has some very strong words on this topic as well as abortion and greed, but I have a feeling the ‘powers that be’ in the US will likely try to convince him to water down or lighten up on these things in his speeches.
 
It’s interesting. The left wing has championed Pope Francis for his statements on climate change and the economy and immigration, and what they see (mistakenly) as his views on homosexuality; I’ve heard left-wing columnists state that the Pope is a scientist who has a degree in chemical engineering (quite true) and thus, his views on climate change should be heeded.

Would those same pundits agree with the Pope’s teachings on abortion, and the beginning of life at conception? He is, after all, a man of science as well as faith.
 
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Would those same pundits agree with the Pope’s teachings on abortion, and the beginning of life at conception? He is, after all, a man of science as well as faith.
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Of course not. The Left is all about death and communism.
 
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