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anna1978
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In other words ‘Let the bishop just do what he likes’
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I agree with Dante, doesn’t matter what WE feel about this, ‘modernisation’ has won anyway…Sad really
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…I agree with Dante, doesn’t matter what WE feel about this, ‘modernisation’ has won anyway…Sad really
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tee_eff_em
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More accurate other words would be ‘Let the bishop exercise the authority which is his’.In other words ‘Let the bishop just do what he likes’
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LilyM
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Resistance is futile - you WILL be assimilated! :hypno:
sorry, just had to get that in there.Truly, there are much more serious things to worry about than the fact that some of us gots to go to church on Thursday and others don’t have to.
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anna1978
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Same result …Confused Catholics around the world
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Every Catholic board I’m on had the same threads yesterday ‘Help, is it a Holy Day or not!’ and quite a few MISSED MASS unintentially because they thought their bishop had moved it to Sunday…
What a mess, what a mess…Why not keep it simple: same rule EVERYWHERE! No problems! Sorry, but this is one I will not back down on. I know nobody will agree with me, but common sense would say it’s so much easier to have it the same all through the Church…
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…Confused Catholics around the world !Every Catholic board I’m on had the same threads yesterday ‘Help, is it a Holy Day or not!’ and quite a few MISSED MASS unintentially because they thought their bishop had moved it to Sunday…
What a mess, what a mess…Why not keep it simple: same rule EVERYWHERE! No problems! Sorry, but this is one I will not back down on. I know nobody will agree with me, but common sense would say it’s so much easier to have it the same all through the Church…
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LilyM
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As I said, holy days have NEVER been all exactly the same all round the world - EVERY region and country has now and has always had some that were peculiar to themselves.Same result
Every Catholic board I’m on had the same threads yesterday ‘Help, is it a Holy Day or not!’ and quite a few MISSED MASS unintentially because they thought their bishop had moved it to Sunday…
What a mess, what a mess…Why not keep it simple: same rule EVERYWHERE! No problems! Sorry, but this is one I will not back down on. I know nobody will agree with me, but common sense would say it’s so much easier to have it the same all through the Church…
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So, for example, I was spending the day in Rome back in 2001 on my way elsewhere - it was the Feast of Saint Lawrence (which is a big deal in Rome). In your godmother’s day it would have been an HDO, don’t know whether it is still, I wasn’t there long enough to find out.
You think even your sainted godmother ever would have known that beforehand? And not been caught out by it? Where else in the world would they make the feast of St Lawrence’s an HDO?
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paramedicgirl
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The answer is convenience.
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paramedicgirl
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How convenient!
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tee_eff_em
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I repeat: It is the same rule everywhere.Same result
Every Catholic board I’m on had the same threads yesterday ‘Help, is it a Holy Day or not!’ and quite a few MISSED MASS unintentially because they thought their bishop had moved it to Sunday…
What a mess, what a mess…Why not keep it simple: same rule EVERYWHERE! No problems! Sorry, but this is one I will not back down on. I know nobody will agree with me, but common sense would say it’s so much easier to have it the same all through the Church…
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Apparently those people MISSED MASS last Sunday as well – Or their parishes are remarkably more careless than mine and every other I have exerperienced. Every parish I’ve ever been a member of has ANNOUNCED upcoming holy days and Mass times. Every parish bulletin I’ve ever seen has listed the celebrations for the entire week upcoming including the following Sunday.
WHY DIDN’T THESE PEOPLE PAY ATTENTION!? WHY DID THEY WAIT UNTIL YESTERDAY TO ASK!? WHY DID THEY ASK (APPARENTLY) ILL-INFORMED PEOPLE ON MESSAGE BOARDS INSTEAD OF PICKING UP THE PHONE AND CALLING THEIR LOCAL PARISHES?
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paramedicgirl
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It’s much easier in Canada. The CCCB has dumped all the holy days of obligation except two: Jan 1 and Dec 25.
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anna1978
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I take exception to that ‘tone’, if you don’t mind. Yes, you have a point, but Ascension Day is not some obscure local feast, it IS worldwide and as such I believe the same rules should apply worldwide. If it was St Lawrence Day or St Patricks Day, it would indded be up to the local bishop, because it’s a local feast!
And yes ‘paramedic girl’, I’m afraid ‘convenience’ is a large part of it
By the way, Tee: in our church Ascension Day was only mentioned in the news bulletin, which not everybody takes a copy of. And it was rather ambiguous, ‘Thursday Ascension Day. H Mass at 9.30 am’ and a few lines down ‘Sunday: Ascension Day. H.Mass at 9.30 am’.
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tee_eff_em
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It’s easy in the US too.
PAY ATTENTION. It’s not like your pastor or bishop keeps it a secret or something!
(“Hmmm, think I’ll tell everyone that Ascension is translated to Sunday, but secretly I’ll keep it on Thursday. Mwuah-ha-ha-ha…”)tee
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paramedicgirl
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What bothers me about moving the holy days of obligation to Sunday is that the importance and impact of them seems to be lost. People don’t really think about the feast day anymore, since they have no requirement to attend Mass. They just go on Sunday as always, and don’t even realize that the actual feast day was a few days earlier. They are going to be there anyway on Sunday, so let’s make it easy and just move all the major feasts to Sunday. That’s how it seems. We only have two feast days left that have not been moved to Sunday.It’s easy in the US too.
PAY ATTENTION. It’s not like your pastor or bishop keeps it a secret or something!
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In our parish, (Sacred Heart), we have a parish celebration to commemorate our patron. The feast of the Sacred Heart is always on a Friday, but our priest will never have the celebration on the actual feast day. We do a procession from the street before Mass and have a potluck after the Mass. It’s quite nice, but he refuses to hold it on Friday. Why? Because it’s more convenient for the people to hold it on Sunday. They are there anyway.
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Cranch
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We have truly become pathetic in this area. It may seem now as the opposite extreme, but nevertheless, in the 15th century there were yearly between 40-50 feasts requiring attendance at mass (there was local variation then, too). (source: The Stripping of the Altars, Eamon Duffy, 1992, p.42)
Regarding Ascension Thursday, I saw something last night at the indult TLM that I gather is no longer done at the N.O. mass on this feast: the extinguishing of the paschal candle. This candle, representing the light of the risen Christ, burned by ancient tradition until the commemoration of His departure to join the Father, thus coinciding with His risen presence on Earth. This seems fittingly symbolic. Now (at least at my local N.O. mass) it is extinguished at Pentecost. Is this change another case of “let’s do it when they’ll be here”?
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BobP123
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That is my understanding also. But with that reasoning, can’t the other HOO, including Christmas, be moved to Sunday as well? (I’m definitely opposed to that idea, by the way.)
In any case, I guess we can forget ever introducing other feast days (like the Epiphany) as Holydays. One wonders how they ever got started in the first place.
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Chatter163
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The rubrics and kalendar of the current missal consider it to be Eastertide until Pentecost, so the rubrics direct that paschal candle burn until the arrival of the Spirit on that day. In the old rite, the rubrics specify that the candle is to be extinguished after the gospel on Ascension Day.
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kell0618
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Our parish (NO) celebrated the Holy Day with a vigil Mass on Wed. night, an 8 a.m. Mass, a 10 am Mass and a 7 pm Mass on Thursday. Sadly, I had my ‘Magnificat’ (missalette) handy and the Holy Day was overlooked there. The readings and prayers were not the ones for the Ascension Mass. I put the book down without checking to see if the readings were under Sunday Mass… The priest announced over the weekend that it was a Holy Day of Obligation and pointed to the times in the bulletin. The schedule was made loud and clear.
I thank God everyday that I belong to a more traditional Diocese.
I thank God everyday that I belong to a more traditional Diocese.
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DustinsDad
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Yep, it was done at indult last night. Fitting…gave me a sense of the loss and sadness that the Apostles must have felt.
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Cranch
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Pentecost is considered part of Eastertide in the old calendar as well, so that does not explain the change. It is also my understanding that the change was made well after the introduction of the N.O. mass.
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AJV
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It is but the 1962 missal divides Eastertide into 3: *tempus Paschatis * until the Vigil of the Ascension, tempus Ascensionis until the vigil of Pentecost and the Octave of Pentecost. The NO does not have such distinctions.
Ascension used to be part of Pentecost: then it broke away and people gave a lot of importance to it-octave, vigil, processions, sometimes fasts, etc. Several times you find canons from councils affirming that such and such practise should be done for 50 days, because in certain parts people were only doing it for 40- the “great forty days” and virtually ending Easter on the Ascension.
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