Ashtanga Yoga - Eight Fold Path of Discipline

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The process of theosis involves humanity become one with God’s Energies, which are just as much God as God’s Essence (or God’s “I”). So, human “I” and God’s “I” will remain distinct forever, though the human “I” can become God (via God’s Energies), through grace – which is similar to the position of Sri Ramanuja and the Qualified Non-Dualist school of Vedanta.
That was a quote from a document at the Vatican website.

Jesus Christ The Bearer of The Water Of Life
A Christian Reflection on the “New Age”

“Energies” is no where near, or in, the theology behind theosis. This is a belief that you have applied on your own.
 
That was a quote from a document at the Vatican website.

Jesus Christ The Bearer of The Water Of Life
A Christian Reflection on the “New Age”

“Energies” is no where near, or in, the theology behind theosis. This is a belief that you have applied on your own.
Energies and Theosis are central to Orthodox Christianity and the Eastern Catholic Churches:
In the Orthodox Church of Christ, man can achieve theosis because the Grace of God, according to the teaching of the Holy Bible and of the Church Fathers, is uncreated. God is not only essence, as the Westerners believe, but also energy. If God was only essence, we would not be able to join, to commune with Him, because the essence of God is terrifying and inaccessible to man, according to “You can not see My face; for there shall no man see Me, and live” (Ex. 33:20).
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   Let us mention some specific example regarding humans. If we touch a live bare cable, we would die. However, if we connect a light bulb to the cable we are illuminated. The energy of the electric current we see, enjoy, and it helps us. Its essence we cannot hold. Something similar, if we may say, happens with the uncreated energy of God.

With these, His uncreated energies, God created the world and continues to sustain it. He gives essence and existence to our world with His essence creating energies. He is present in nature and sustains the universe with His sustaining energies. He enlightens man with His enlightening energies. He sanctifies him with His sanctifying energies. And finally He makes him god with His Godly energies. So with His uncreated energies, Holy God enters nature, in the world, in history, in the lives of people.
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   The energies of God are divine energies. They are also God without being His essence. They are God that is why they make man god. If the energies of God were not divine, uncreated energies, then they would not be God, they would not be able to make us god, to join with God. There would have been an unbridgeable distance between God and people. However, by God having divine energies and with these energies joining with us, we can communicate with Him and join with His Grace, without equating with God, as it would have happened if we were joining with His essence.
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   We therefore join with God through His uncreated energies, and not through His essence. This is the mystery of the Orthodox Faith and of our life.
 
Thanks.

How to the Orthodox define “energies”?
God’s uncreated essence is beyond words. God’s uncreated energies, which are equally God, include energies like love, grace, and faith. In short, God’s essence is His uncreated being; God’s energies are His uncreated actions.
 
God’s uncreated essence is beyond words. God’s uncreated energies, which are equally God, include energies like love, grace, and faith. In short, God’s essence is His uncreated being; God’s energies are His uncreated actions.
Why would you go outside of Catholicism?
 
The Energy/Essence Teaching is part of the Eastern Catholic Churches, which are in communion with Rome.
Sorry, that is not what I meant. I know this and have no problem with the Eastern Catholic Churches. Actually, have admiration and enjoy reading about them. What I meant was, why you go to an outside mysticism. I ask out of curiosity, nothing more. You don’t have to answer if you don’t want to.
 
Sorry, that is not what I meant. I know this and have no problem with the Eastern Catholic Churches. Actually, have admiration and enjoy reading about them. What I meant was, why you go to an outside mysticism.
I enjoy finding bits and pieces of Truth in all religions.🙂
 
I enjoy finding bits and pieces of Truth in all religions.🙂
ah, i did that for a while

Have you ever read up on the beliefs surrounding “aloha”, in Hawai’i? I found the comparison to pranayama to be interesting.

I retained some yoga, it is especially useful at Easter Vigil, what with three hours of standing, kneeling, sitting. But the spiritual side, I jettisoned. I found all the little bits of Truths were made whole in Christ. 🙂 So, that is who I seek to be a disciple of.

God bless,
Rebecca
 
My research tells me it is Hebrew in origin. Not that surprised. If you have a different source please show me.
Scholar traces origins of ‘Amen’
He says word is of African, not Hebrew, origin
By Robert Kelly-Goss
COX NEWS SERVICE

ELIZABETH CITY, N.C. –
“Thank you, God. Amen.”
Scholar traces origins of ‘Amen’

That phrase, and the last word more specifically, is very familiar to millions of English-speaking Christians, Jews and Muslims worldwide. Prayers of these three major monotheistic religions are typically closed with the word, “amen.”

For many the word amen means, “so be it,” or “it is so.” In the Western world of religion the credit for the word is given to the Hebrew texts of the Old Testament, or Jewish Torah. Christians adopted the word, as well as the Muslims.

But the origin of the word is under contention. It does not, says one Elizabeth City State University professor, trace its roots back to the Hebrew people; rather, the word can be traced to pre-dynastic Egypt, in the region of Africa known as the Sudan, to be more specific.

“The word (amen) pre-dates ancient Egypt,” says history professor, Jahi Issa. “It means the unseen principles of God.”

Issa is co-author with another scholar, Salim Faraji, of the book The Origin of the Word Amen: Ancient Knowledge the Bible Has Never Told, and it suggests far more than a simple origin of one of the most uttered words in the world.

Issa started the journey toward his discovery when he began making trips to Africa, 26 in all so far. He would travel back and forth between Ghana and Egypt.

Through his travels and studies, Issa says, he began to notice similarities between ancient Egyptian culture and contemporary Ghana. That observation led him to academic books on divine kingship and ancient cultures, including one from an Oxford University professor who pointed him to the Akan people of Ghana and a 1999 article in The New York Times.

The article, Issa says, reported on the DNA connection between the Lemda [e.g the correct spelling is Lemba, Fine’s insert] people of southern Africa and the early Hebrew people. Through that article and other academic research, Issa came up with several realizations.

One was that the origins of early biblical figures such as the Hebrews were most likely African, not Palestinian Arabs. Two, the word amen is derived from a pre-dynastic Egyptian culture found in the Sudan.

In essence, Issa is making the claim that there was an ancient kingship similar to Egypt that gave birth to the dynastic pharaohs of the Nile region who happen to be from the Sudan. Those people not only influenced the Egyptian dynasties, but they also migrated northwest to what is now Ghana and their culture can be seen in West Africa to this day.

But what does that have to do with the word amen? Well, Issa suggests that the word amen has its roots in the ancient name for the pharaoh, Amen, or in some cases spelled Amun.

In his book he points out that the word amen can be found in much of ancient Africa’s culture and that it predates the Hebrew people. OK, but what does the book and its claims mean to contemporary society?

“The significance of the book is that historically when it comes to religion, because of Europe’s 500-year dominance of the world, people have been misled to think the people of the Bible were European, and they were not. They were people of color,” says Issa.

In other words, if the origin of the word amen is ancient Sudanese and that means that the world’s three major monotheistic religions owe its beginnings to that region, not what we know as the Middle East, it would also suggest that, as Issa puts it, “Jesus was a black man with kinky hair.”

For many contemporary scholars, the idea that Jesus was likely akin to contemporary Palestinian people is not far-fetched. But few have gone so far as to maintain that Jesus had the same physical traits as a man from, say, Ghana.

Issa, along with other scholars, is firm in his belief and is certain that even the origins of humankind, according to the Bible, can be found in Africa. Eden, Issa says, is in Ethiopia, and the Book of Genesis says as much.

For Issa, it’s a significant step toward bringing people together to convince them that, yes, the world owes much of its cultural and religious origins to Africa.

He hopes one day all churches will depict Jesus as a black man and, similarly, he hopes that acceptance will work toward bringing people together, and not asunder, because of the color of one’s skin.

Issa is certain that there are many scholars and people in the general public that would give him an “amen” on that point.

😉
 
The word Amen is one of a small number of Hebrew words which have been imported unchanged into the liturgy of the Church, propter sanctiorem as St. Augustine expresses it, in virtue of an exceptionally sacred example. “So frequent was this Hebrew in the mouth of Our Saviour”, observes the Catechism of the Council of Trent, “that it pleased the Holy Ghost to have it perpetuated in the Church of God”. In point of fact St. Matthew attributes it to Our Lord twenty-eight times, and St. John in its doubled form twenty-six times. As regards the etymology, Amen is a derivative from the Hebrew verb aman “to strengthen” or “Confirm”.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01407b.htm
 
In the past few months I have received several calls from journalists around the country seeking my views on the question of whether the newly minted "Christian Yoga " is really yoga.
My response is, “The simple, immutable fact is that yoga originated from the Vedic or Hindu culture. Its techniques were not adopted by Hinduism, but originated from it.” These facts need to be unequivocally stated in light of some of the things being written to the contrary by yoga teachers. The effort to separate yoga from Hinduism must be challenged because it runs counter to the fundamental principles upon which yoga itself is premised, the yamas (restraints) and niyamas (observances). These ethical tenets and religious practices are the first two limbs of the eight-limbed ashtanga yoga system which also includes asana (postures), pranayama (breath control), pratyahara (sense withdrawal), dharana (concentration), dhyana (meditation) and samadhi (contemplation/Self Realization). Efforts to separate yoga from its spiritual center reveal ignorance of the goal of yoga.
By Subhas R. Tiwari
 
chrisb, thank you for the article. I have heard of a theory of a North African/Eqyptian origin for Amen before. It is quite interesting but it does not explain the link that somebody made previously between ‘‘Aum’’ and ‘‘Amen’’.
 
Is the position of Sri Ramanuja and the school of Vedanta focused on and centered on Jesus Chrsit?
The similarity between Sri Ramanuja and Christianity is that both believe that man is able to realize unity with God (see “theosis”), without losing man’s identity as creature.
 
The similarity between Sri Ramanuja and Christianity is that both believe that man is able to realize unity with God (see “theosis”), without losing man’s identity as creature.
You did not answer my question.

When Christ said, “Repent, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand,” this is a call to a life of Theosis.
 
You did not answer my question.

When Christ said, “Repent, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand,” this is a call to a life of Theosis.
I never claimed that Sri Ramanuja, who was a devotee of Krishna, was a devotee of Christ.
 
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