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Sophia_Christ said:
Why is it so absurd to take that passage to mean that he has achieved a level of consciousness in which there is no distinction between himself and the Father?
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Because there is a distinction between him and the father. “I go to my father and your father.” “for the father is greater than I” “I do the will of him who sent me.”
 
Sophia_Christ said:
Why is it so absurd to take that passage to mean that he has achieved a level of consciousness in which there is no distinction between himself and the Father?
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Because it contradicts the significant portions of the OT in which he distinguishes himself from the Father.
 
IgnatianPhilo said:
See that’s where you loose me. If this material universe, our bodies, this earth, everything contained therein are without value… Why is suicide not the most perfect thing one can do? The ultimate act of transcending this pathetic reality which is no reality at all and making the ultimate choice of rejecting this illusion and moving on to what is infinitely better? You can only say that suicide is not an option if there is something to be gained here, but what is to be gained here except distraction from perfect transcendence?

I would ask then, is suicide some how a condemnable offence?
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Because death does not bring about this perfect transcendence that you speak of without a life of spiritual cultivation. Not to mention, Gnostics believe that if a person does not develop a certain level of connection with the divine spark inherent within them, then they will be reincarnated again in this universe.
 
Denise1957 said:
True…and yet these ecosystems still work exceedingly well. Everything that a human being needs to survive and thrive is available on the earth, such as sunlight, water, the exact oxygenation of the air for what we need to breathe. Also every sort of food that we need to sustain life, including shelter and clothing are here.
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And yet throughout history there have been droughts, famine, natural disasters, dramatic climate shifts, etc.
 
Sophia_Christ said:
And yet throughout history there have been droughts, famine, natural disasters, dramatic climate shifts, etc.
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Which in no way contradicts the fact that the ecosystems are working… They may not be what we consider ideal, but the system is still working and operating off the rules in place to govern it.
 
Sophia_Christ said:
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ProdglArchitect:
So, basically what you’re saying, is that you completely ignore the context and words of the scripture, and make up your own meaning…?

He LITERALLY says "I AM;
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Why is it so absurd to take that passage to mean that he has achieved a level of consciousness in which there is no distinction between himself and the Father?
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If that were the case, shouldn’t he have identified that “I have become the I AM”, and not made the absolute ontological statement that “I AM”?
 
Sophia_Christ said:
And yet throughout history there have been droughts, famine, natural disasters, dramatic climate shifts, etc.
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True. And yet we are still here. We have everything we need to sustain our lives. How is it that an imperfect being could provide absolutely everything physical which we need in order to sustain life and even thrive?
 
simpleas said:
Do Gnostics believe in the Original sin, if so in what way?

Thanks,🙂
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We do not believe in Original Sin in the sense of the Fall of Man as related in the book of Genesis. We believe that the origin of sin stems from an imperfect creator
 
Sophia_Christ said:
Because death does not bring about this perfect transcendence that you speak of without a life of spiritual cultivation. Not to mention, Gnostics believe that if a person does not develop a certain level of connection with the divine spark inherent within them, then they will be reincarnated again in this universe.
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So who set these rules up exactly?
 
ProdglArchitect said:
Because it contradicts the significant portions of the OT in which he distinguishes himself from the Father.
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He is distinguished from the Father in the sense that he came to earth bearing a physical body. But he transcended his identification with his material properties and surrendered his consciousness to the Father.
 
ProdglArchitect said:
Which in no way contradicts the fact that the ecosystems are working… They may not be what we consider ideal, but the system is still working and operating off the rules in place to govern it.
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I never said it wasn’t working in light of the natural laws that this world is bound to. My point is that I believe an perfect creator would have made these laws so that they would yield a whole lot less suffering for the inhabitants of this world
 
Denise1957 said:
True. And yet we are still here. We have everything we need to sustain our lives. How is it that an imperfect being could provide absolutely everything physical which we need in order to sustain life and even thrive?
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Were the 1/3 of the Bengali population who were wiped out during a five year famine given what they needed to thrive?

What about the 3 million who died during the Chinese Drought in 1941?
 
Does the Gospel of Thomas teach that women are not in heaven? What is your view on the matter?
 
Sophia_Christ said:
Thats not the point. Whether they actually happened or not, the message is still the same.
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I ask for a reason: If for example the events in scripture never actually happened i.e. all that matters is the message of these made-up writings, then surely the message loses it’s efficacy due to the notion that Jesus, the author of scripture and primary character of the New Testament, might have been just a made-up character as well, along with the made-up scriptures, both of which aimed at providing a really good message in terms of how to live, regardless of whether the events in scripture actually happened, or Jesus really existed?
 
Sophia_Christ said:
Thats not the point. Whether they actually happened or not, the message is still the same.
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OK, but if they actually happened, then what you have is less interpretive and more factual; if they’re merely allegory, then you’ve opened yourself to the question of whether you’ve properly interpreted them or not.

This leads to any number of difficult questions:
  • If you can’t identify what really happened, you cannot escape the claim that you’re misinterpreting everything.
  • If you assert that you’re interpreting an allegory, then by what means can you claim that you’re correctly interpreting the allegory or escape the challenge that you’ve misinterpreted it?
  • If you cannot make a truth claim about something that appears to have happened in the physical world, how can you assert that you’re able to make a claim about anything in the spiritual world?
 
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