So Jesus failed to give the church the fullness of the faith while here on earth."
We believe in something thats called “continuing revelation” so in theory, any doctrine can be amended or built upon according to God’s Will.
instead of God to help solidify this goal. Its easier for a person to want to be a like someone that they can relate to. For instance, Christ came down, had a body, bled like us, ate like us, dreamed like us. Relatable. In order for us to become like God, He needed to become relatable. That’s where Joseph Smith had the revelation at King Fallots funeral.
Ah yes, the sin of Adam. Eat of the fruit and you shall be like God. We can never be like God. That is an impossibility. We are the ‘adopted’ sons and daughters which is not the same as how Jesus is the son of God. So, no godhead for us humans.So the church teaches that God was once a man like us, who worshiped and worked and raised a family just like us. Then eventually became exalted and was able to “organize” our world with the goal of making us like Him, Heirs of His kingdom, literal sons and daughters of God. And in turn, become God’s ourselves (but still worship God of course)
Do you know Joseph Smith? My great-great grandfather did. Here is quote from his journal (1840):When have they ever?
I do not mean to offend but honestly, how can they believe Joseph Smith was a prophet? He was an awful man, I wouldn’t even want to be associated with him.
People said good things about Ted Bundy, too…so?Do you know Joseph Smith? My great-great grandfather did. Here is quote from his journal (1840):
“after a year and a half’s careful investigation, becoming acquanted with Joseph Smith and the Mormon people, finding them an honest, industrious people, and most wickedly misrepresented, I presented myself for baptism.”
Please be aware there are two sides to the story.
Greetings mtolympus,Do you know Joseph Smith? My great-great grandfather did. Here is quote from his journal (1840):
“after a year and a half’s careful investigation, becoming acquanted with Joseph Smith and the Mormon people, finding them an honest, industrious people, and most wickedly misrepresented, I presented myself for baptism.”
Please be aware there are two sides to the story.
Hi Mt. Oly,Do you know Joseph Smith? My great-great grandfather did. Here is quote from his journal (1840):
“after a year and a half’s careful investigation, becoming acquanted with Joseph Smith and the Mormon people, finding them an honest, industrious people, and most wickedly misrepresented, I presented myself for baptism.”
Please be aware there are two sides to the story.
The Mormon people were still Christians in 1840.Do you know Joseph Smith? My great-great grandfather did. Here is quote from his journal (1840):
“after a year and a half’s careful investigation, becoming acquanted with Joseph Smith and the Mormon people, finding them an honest, industrious people, and most wickedly misrepresented, I presented myself for baptism.”
Please be aware there are two sides to the story.
Hi Rebecca,Hi Mt. Oly,
I don’t think I ever heard anyone say that Joseph Smith was not charismatic. ie, “compelling attractiveness or charm that can inspire devotion in others”. It is a great trait to have when you are a grifter. You can ignore all you like his confidence schemes, that won’t make them go away. It is a fact that he pretended to be a lot of things, to a lot of people.
But the internet wasn’t around back then, and many records that we have available to us today, weren’t as easily available back then now were they?.Do you know Joseph Smith? My great-great grandfather did. Here is quote from his journal (1840):
“after a year and a half’s careful investigation, becoming acquanted with Joseph Smith and the Mormon people, finding them an honest, industrious people, and most wickedly misrepresented, I presented myself for baptism.”
Please be aware there are two sides to the story.
Joseh was very charismatic. That does not mean he did not lie about his vision, cheat people in the bank scandal, commit adultery with untold women, and carry a gun in jail against the law.Hi Rebecca,
My great-great grandfather lived in Iowa in 1838 when “the whole country was stirred up against them” (the Mormons in Missouri). “And from these reports”, he wrote, “I, in common with the rest of the people, supposed they were the most hardened set of criminals that ever graced the the earth.”
There was an 180 degree change in his perception after his personal investigation when he wrote: “after a year and a half’s careful investigation, becoming acquanted with Joseph Smith and the Mormon people, finding them an honest, industrious people, and most wickedly misrepresented, I presented myself for baptism.”
My only point is that there are two sides to the story of the life of Joseph Smith and the early Mormons, and that many CAF members have only heard one side.
Hi Mt. Oly, People of good will, who are honest and industrious, exist in every circumstance, which is a good thing. That doesn’t change the facts of Smith’s actions and behavior. Also doesn’t mean your ancestors weren’t hoodwinked into believing Mormon claims, as I believe mine were.Hi Rebecca,
My great-great grandfather lived in Iowa in 1838 when “the whole country was stirred up against them” (the Mormons in Missouri). “And from these reports”, he wrote, “I, in common with the rest of the people, supposed they were the most hardened set of criminals that ever graced the the earth.”
There was an 180 degree change in his perception after his personal investigation when he wrote: “after a year and a half’s careful investigation, becoming acquanted with Joseph Smith and the Mormon people, finding them an honest, industrious people, and most wickedly misrepresented, I presented myself for baptism.”
My only point is that there are two sides to the story of the life of Joseph Smith and the early Mormons, and that many CAF members have only heard one side.
No, there is only the truth. Joseph Smith lied about the Book of Mormon and the Book of Abraham.My only point is that there are two sides to the story of the life of Joseph Smith and the early Mormons, and that many CAF members have only heard one side.
Like husband to one wife.Hi Mt. Oly,
I don’t think I ever heard anyone say that Joseph Smith was not charismatic. ie, “compelling attractiveness or charm that can inspire devotion in others”. It is a great trait to have when you are a grifter. You can ignore all you like his confidence schemes, that won’t make them go away. It is a fact that he pretended to be a lot of things, to a lot of people.
The New Testament had been preserved in Greek by the end of the first century. The Latin Vulgate was completed by about 390 AD. Most of the protestant English translations were from the original Greek manuscripts, while the Catholic Bible was translated into English from the Latin Vulgate.OK so we have a message concerning the aporypha. What about the rest of the books in the Bible and those that did not make the grade?
I’ve read histories concerning the development of the canon of scripture and it is very complicated concerning which books were to be included in the Scripture. It was not until 390 or thereabouts at a council at Hippo that the canon as it is now in the Catholic Bible was defined. For the Catholic Church, its been that list ever since.
The Bible was accepted by the LDS Church in a revelation to Joseph Smith on February 9, 1831:Now back to my original question – did the Mormon Church review the other books that did not make it and reject them? Or did they accept the Catholic Bible, except the Apocrypha? And if they did accept the Catholic Bible, why would they accept the Scripture as handed down by a church that was in Apostasy?
of course, Joseph did not know about the Textus Receptus, or he would not have scammed his people with the KJV “revelation”I will take a shot at one of your questions as you requested.
The New Testament had been preserved in Greek by the end of the first century. The Latin Vulgate was completed by about 390 AD. Most of the protestant English translations were from the original Greek manuscripts, while the Catholic Bible was translated into English from the Latin Vulgate.
The Bible was accepted by the LDS Church in a revelation to Joseph Smith on February 9, 1831:
“And again, the elders, priests and teachers of this church shall teach the principles of my gospel, which are in the Bible and the Book of Mormon, in the which is the fulness of the gospel.” (D&C 42:12)
This was refering to the King James Version of the Bible which was being used at that time.
I don’t think that would have stopped him.of course, Joseph did not know about the Textus Receptus, or he would not have scammed his people with the KJV “revelation”
My gospel? So he added his own gospel? And if all the churches had it wrong, would it be a safe bet to say the Bible was wrong too? But yet the lds church continues to use the KJB and the KJB “mormon edition”. You dont see the wrongs here?The Bible was accepted by the LDS Church in a revelation to Joseph Smith on February 9, 1831:
"And again, the elders, priests and teachers of this church shall teach the principles of my gospel, which are in the Bible and the Book of Mormon, in the which is the fulness of the gospel." (D&C 42:12)
This was refering to the King James Version of the Bible which was being used at that time.
Sharp eye Kim. “My gospel” refers to gospel of Jesus Chirst, as this is a revelation of Jesus Christ to Joseph Smith.My gospel? So he added his own gospel?
The churches had it right while the apostles were living. Therefore the Bible is right and should be used in teaching the gospel as verified in the D&C. I like all translations of the Bible except for the JWs.And if all the churches had it wrong, would it be a safe bet to say the Bible was wrong too? But yet the lds church continues to use the KJB and the KJB “mormon edition”. You dont see the wrongs here?
lol…there was no Bible when the Apostles were “getting it right”. There was only tradition…which the Catholics are “getting right”Sharp eye Kim. “My gospel” refers to gospel of Jesus Chirst, as this is a revelation of Jesus Christ to Joseph Smith.
The churches had it right while the apostles were living. Therefore the Bible is right and should be used in teaching the gospel as verified in the D&C. I like all translations of the Bible except for the JWs.
What is the gospel of Jesus Christ? What was missing from the New Testament that the Book of Mormon completed?“My gospel” refers to gospel of Jesus Chirst,
the part about blacks turning whiteWhat is the gospel of Jesus Christ? What was missing from the New Testament that the Book of Mormon completed?