Ask a Muslim

[Publisher]

You have NO idea…

Hopefully you read the entire post.

 

[exoflare]

Hopefully you read the entire post.

Yes.

 

[Booklover]

lol no my friend. We obbey his commands because his commands come from God meaning that this is the same way a Jew is supposed to obbey the commands of Moses, why? Because he believes theyre from God.

Islam has no foundation! It’s all built on sand. Muslims don’t have a **shred **of proof that anything that Muhammad claimed is the truth! Your whole proof is contained in these words: **MUHAMMAD SAID SO! **That is why Muslims react so violently to criticism, because deep down they know their proof is nil.

And did God reveal to you a trinity? Jesus never uttered these words in his entire life never did Jesus say the word trinity its not even in the Bible ho can you say it was revealed to you by God it was voted on in one of your councils!

That is where you’re wrong! The word Trinity is not in the Bible but the concept is!

Mt. 3, 16-17

After Jesus was baptized, he came up from the water and behold, the heavens were opened [for him], and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove [and ]coming upon him. And a voice came from the heavens, saying, "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased"

Mt. 28, 18-20

Then Jesus approached and said to them, "All power in haven and on earth has been given to me. Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the NAME of the Father, and of the son, and of the holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age.

As you can also see by that speech, his ministry was for the whole world, not just for the Jews as Muslims keep insisting.

Vickie

 

[Booklover]

Hopefully you read the entire post.

Have you ever heard of the Muslim concept of taqqiya?

 

[Chris_LaRock]

As you can also see by that speech, his ministry was for the whole world, not just for the Jews as Muslims keep insisting.

Vickie

Good point!

Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the desert, so must the Son of man be lifted up:
Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him may not perish, but may have life everlasting.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, as to give his only begotten Son: that whosoever believeth in him may not perish, but may have life everlasting.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world, to judge the world: but that the world may be saved by him.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth in him is not judged. But he that doth not believe is already judged: because he believeth not in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Looks like everyone is included in God’s promise of salvation through Christ, as Vickie points out.

 

[MrS]

Unbeliever’s (of Islam) must convert, submit to slavery, or be killed.

Muhammed = convert by the sword, submission to Allah

**Jesus **= repentance and mercy, God is our loving Father.

It really is a no-brainer!

I understand, Mickey… but the request is that a Muslim, in this case arab, answer my question… while I am still alive

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[MrS]

MrS,

The Koran has three classes of people, though I will get the labels wrong: muslims, infidels and misguided believers. Islam theoretically treats monotheists like Jews and Christians differently than pantheists and Hindus.

In the initial conquests of Islam, conquered pantheists got to choose between Islam or death. Conquered Christians got to choose Islam, death or dhimmi status (second class citizen). In the culture and time of Muhammed, that was actually remarkably tolerant in comparison to common practice (and mighty similar to how Christians shamefully treated Jews). Today, it is evidence (IMO) of the human origin of Islam rather than any Divine origin. God doesn’t just look good in comparison to others - He is the STANDARD for goodness. Christianity behaved badly towards Jews in SPITE of the principles taught by Jesus and the apostles. Islam requires that behavior via its founder.

arab can assign me any “class” he chooses…

but to expand on the question…

[1] if I become “conquered” and then still state:

I am a Catholic.
I believe that the Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ, and that it alone has the fullness of the faith.
I believe that Jesus Christ is God
I believe that there is only One God and He is present in our lives as the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
I believe that Jesus is a prophet and superior to all others because He is God.

I believe that Muhammed is a false prophet.
I believe that Allah is your God and is looked at as a master, a “slave owner” if you will, and not a Father or a God of Mercy.
I believe the Koran is man made, and full of errors, and leads many to eternal damnation,

what will the Koran instruct the true and dedicated Muslim to do …???

[2] If I remain “un-conquered”… and decide to walk by a Mosque, and profess my beliefs as above…

what will the Koran instruct the true and dedicated Muslim to do???

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[StevenFrancis]

**O People of the Book (Christians)! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of God aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of God, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in God and His messengers. Say not “Trinity” : desist: it will be better for you: for God is one God: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is God as a Disposer of affairs. **(004.171 )

**They do blaspheme who say: God is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One God. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them. **(005.073)

This is why. We say worship the creator not His creation. We believe it is disrespectful to believe God has any partners. If God had any partners such as a trinity that would have been what was preached by His messengers since the begening! Noah would have said your God is one but in a trinity. Moses would have said you God is one but in a trinity. It would have been made clear to everyone since the begening. So Muslims say you are following something which is disrespectful to God.

Catholics and other trinitarians do not think God has “partners”. God is rather ONE being with three different aspects. There is a huge difference between our actual belief, and what the Quran seems to suppose that we believe. It is NOT a partnership. There is only the one God believed in by Islam, Judaism and Christianity. God is experienced by man as Father, (which seems to be the only aspect that Muslims are allowed to encounter), Son (Saviour, redeemer, perfect sacrafice of mankind), and Holy Spirit (the guiding and indwelling spirit of God working in the mankind). To refer these aspects of a single being as other partners is to say that it is not one being. That is a gross misinterpretation of trinity, and if that’s actually in the Quran itself, no wonder Muslims don’t understand Christians. You’re being told things about us that aren’t so.

 

[Spirithound]

God is rather ONE being with three different aspects.

This is not quite correct, from the Catholic POV. God is 3 persons in 1 God. The 3 persons are distinct, but are all FULLY God. I know it’s pretty well impossible to envision, but that’s why we call it a mystery.

 

[Mickey]

The Trinity, one in essence and undivided.

 

[Catholic_Dude]

This is a lie spread against Islam as to prove that the Quran doesnt know what its talking about. The Quran never says that Marry peace be upon her is part of the trinity. The Quran says stop worshiping her. It doesnt say she is part of the trinity. This is reffering to Catholics (with all due respect of course) when they pray to her. This is rejected in Islam. Praying to anyone other than God be it Marry or Mohammed.

Ok, that is good to know.

Notice how he answers your second question there, but leaves the first untouched… I hope enough people read this thread just so they can see what I’ve been trying to get across on these forums for a long time. Muslims by and large cannot be reasoned with or want to hold a “dialogue”. The only thing they understand is “Mohammed said so” and blindly accept that all other people should follow Mohammed as well.

arab:

Because I already answered it. Scholars have differed.

Arab, you didnt really answer my question. We are dealing with a person’s life here, you said yourself to kill someone unjustly is as if the whole of mankind were murdered…ok, so who decides whether a person like Abdul Rahman lives? If it was up to you versus a Scholar who said the execution is unjust then which of you are right? If its a matter of opinion of each Scholar then your on shaky ground here, there is no room for error when a life is on the line.

Further to be consistent, those Scholars who say execution of such men is NOT allowed must make it clear to those Muslims who perform such executions are under the wrath of God. Do you know of such Scholars who take this position?

This same misunderstanding has lead to Mormons concluding that “God has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s”.

This is a good point as Exo has mentioned, I didnt realize it until now but that is a misunderstanding that is essential to this discussion.

 

[Mijoy2]

The Quran says:

**O People of the Book (Christians)! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of God aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of God, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in God and His messengers. Say not “Trinity” : desist: it will be better for you: for God is one God: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is God as a Disposer of affairs. **(004.171 )

**They do blaspheme who say: God is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One God. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them. **(005.073)

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So basically speaking, God revealed Himself through His word and through the Prophet Jesus (among others). But we (all believers before Mohammad and all Christians and Jews to this day) misinterpreted His divine revelation. Since we got it wrong, He had to try again. This time through Mohammad. Mohammad was able to convince his followers but Christians are still in error.

Question: Am I on othe right track? If so, how can we be held accountable for our stupidity?

Thank you Arab for your answers.

 

[Texan_in_DC]

There are different schools of thought with each school a slightly different interpretation of the Quran, a slighty different one. People in Islam have to think for themselves we arent allowed to follow scholars blindly whatever we say. If ppl differ in the interpretation of the Quran well then the Muslims have to read both interpretations and follow the one which makes sence to them.

The prostestant way of thought very intersting.

So again if Islam was meant to unite both Jews and Christians, where is the protection of the interpretation needed to help us stay together and not split into different world religions again?

 

[MrS]

arab…

you posted all throughout the day yesterday… are you coming back today… looking forward to more of your answers.

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[Texan_in_DC]

According to Christians themselves, they got together decided to vote over what God is, is He a trinity or absolutel one? And they voted and the result was: trinity! We Muslims say that common sence what on earth is going on here? When ppl get toether to VOTE over what God is, we say this is obviouse misguidence. According to the Bible Jesus who is supposedly God was tempted by Satan. Yet Christians refuse to agnlowledge the fact that those who voted on the trinity were tempted by Satan. Are they better than Jesus? If so then worship them instead of Jesus. Im only speaking rationally here. The Muslims say that look, if a trinity existed, that would have been what was preached by the messengers and prophets! Noah would have said your God is One, in a trinity. Abraham would have said your God is one, in a trinity. It would have been made clear. Up till Jesus no mention of a trinity by any prophet. Suddenly, not even at the time of Jesus, Jesus never uttered the word trinity in his life, God becomes a trinity. We say if this was the truth about God this would have been what everyone believed in since Adam! Abraham would have preached the trinity. Moses would have preached the trinity and so on. So we say to Christians come back and repent and worship God alone.

Um we both believe that God is one there is no debate here, but you insist that we Christians are polytheist because we believe in God the fatherr, Jesus the son, and the Holy Spirt.

Now we confess thay God is one, that Jesus and the Holy Spirit is three person in one God.

The bible mentions that Jesus will sit at God’s right hand, now this is symbolic, from our Jewish roots to sit at the “right hand” is equal to. So in the bible it clearly says that Jesus is = to God therefore since we believe in one God like Islam Jesus and God are one in the same.

Later the Church defined the trinity since the word itself is not in the bible but throughout the bible there is reference of a trinity type of God.

From a thelogical consideration when you a (muslim) say you believe in the same God and same Jesus as us Christians you are not allowing our statement of faith to move forward but draw the line of your own statements of faith, so clearly if two defintions differ we are not talking of the same God, per say.

Who is held in higher regard in Islam, Muhhamed or Jesus Christ?

 

[Texan_in_DC]

Arab,

Any thoughts on this paper?

catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0009.html

I am looking for any false claims that we might have been taught, and your own personal thoughts as well.

Thanks for your contributions to this dialog

 

[Montalban]

Islam has always had a preference for “People of the Book”, (Christians and Jews). Their primary focus for conversion has been on people of pagan, or polytheistic religions-- true nonbelievers.

In Islam there is no *preference *for converts. All are called to convert.

I believe you have mistaken the idea that in Islam they accord a special legal status (Dhimmi) to Chrisitans and Jews - in an effort to deal with those who don’t embrace Islam. Later in India they extended this status to Hindus as well.

 

[cestusdei]

Because as I said Islam is a continuation of Christianity and Judaism. Why would these people preach something to a relegion which is a continuation of theirs? Christians should preach to ppl who dont believe in Jesus not Muslims. This is the truth and the whole truth and nothing but the truth in its purest forms. You wont believe what Im saying until uve investigated Islam urself, now ull think im biased, but im not. Think of it, what is a Christian going to preach to a Muslim that the Muslim doesnt already believe in ? Jesus’s death and the Muslim wont accept that. The only way a christian missionary is to try to convert a muslim is by attacking Islam, period.

Arab,
Yet Muslims attack us all the time. You get to try and convert us freely in our own countries. It’s called “freedom of religion” and it doesn’t exist in any Muslim country. Why do you force people to stay Muslim if they want to join another religion? You kill those who convert. If you are unafraid of missionaries then why not let them preach freely? This is the point, you have freedom here but don’t allow it in Muslim lands. You persecute Christians and yet enjoy equal rights in our countries. This makes us despise Islam and regard you as persecutors. You don’t even understand what I am saying.

Btw, I do know Islam, have read the quran, and I reject it utterly as a false faith. I will never submit to Islam. I submit to Jesus Christ who is God.

 

[Montalban]

Because as I said Islam is a continuation of Christianity and Judaism.

Islam is not a ‘continuation’ of Christianity and Judaism. It is a ‘replacement’ (according to Islam)

Moslems believe that Moses was a Moslem. They believe that he was given the correct revelation from al-lah and that this message was lost or forgotten or suppressed by the Jews who continued to believe their own thing.

Likewise with Jesus. Jesus is deemed to be a prophet in Islam NOT because of what Christians think he did and said, but by what Moslems believe he did and said; which was to promote Islam.

The very reasons Moslems believe Muhammad was necessary is because the Jews and Christians follow a corruption of the message of al-lah and therefore it is not the same as the religion of al-lah.

Why would these people preach something to a religion which is a continuation of theirs?

The Koran is full of venom towards Jews (and less so to Christians) for knowingly corrupting the message of al-lah

Christians should preach to ppl who don’t believe in Jesus not Muslims.

Even the Dalai Lama ‘believes’ in Jesus, but not in the Christian sense. Moslems don’t believe that Jesus is God, therefore although you can say you ‘believe’ in him, it’s not the same way.

This is the truth and the whole truth and nothing but the truth in its purest forms. You wont believe what I’m saying until you’ve investigated Islam yourself, now you’ll think I’m biased, but I’m not. Think of it, what is a Christian going to preach to a Muslim that the Muslim doesn’t already believe in ? Jesus’ death and the Muslim wont accept that. The only way a Christian missionary is to try to convert a Muslim is by attacking Islam, period.

I too have investigate Islam. I was a member of a student Moslem society as well. I have studied it formally, and also by my own means.

 

[kellie]

Why dont u actually read what Im saying for a change? MUSLIMS BELIEVE THAT JESUS WAS THE MESSIAH, THE CHRIST!

So why are you following a religion man-made, and not the religion made by Jesus, who you state is the Messiah, meaning He is Divine, unlike Mohammed.