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jack_hawkins
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Mein Kampf means “my struggle”
Guess what jihad means?
The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem allied with the Nazis - there’s a famous photo of him sitting with Nazi officers.
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Guess what jihad means?
The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem allied with the Nazis - there’s a famous photo of him sitting with Nazi officers.
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pro_universal
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There’s also a famous photo of the Pope in a hitler youth uniform.
Does that prove anything?
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jack_hawkins
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The Truth about Muhammad" is a great read for anyone not conversant with the known historical facts about Muhammad:thumbsup:Just wondering…
Did Dan Brown have to hire bodyguards to protect him from Catholics?
My experiences with Muslims is limited, but they don’t seem very friendly.
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jack_hawkins
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TU QUOQUE!!!
It proves that people do stupid things when they’re young!
What’s the Grand Mufti’s excuse? Allah told him to?
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Booklover
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Pope Benedict was drafted into the Hitler Youth, he had no choice in the matter.
Vickie
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Booklover
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Funny you should mention Mein Kampf! Here’s a link comparing Islam to Nazism.
news.faithfreedom.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1167
Here are some examples from it:
Mein Kampf:51 “I knew that I must rid the world of her.”(speaking of all other political systems, which he saw as being one)
Qur’an 8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah”
Mein Kampf:56 "They will not recognize the outrageous curtailment of their human liberties, for in no way does the delusion of an intolerant doctrine dawn on them.
Qur’an 33:36 “It is not fitting for a Muslim man or woman to have any choice in their affairs when a matter has been decided for them by Allah and His Messenger. They have no option.”
Mein Kampf:56 They see force, brutality, and the aim of the doctrine to which they finally and always submit."
Qur’an 9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”
It’s quite an eye opener!
Vickie
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Valke2
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You don’t really dispute that the Grand Mufti allied himself with Hitler, do you?
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pro_universal
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I doubt that he really cared about Hitler’s crimes in Europe, and I doubt that any of the Arabs were part of this. The Nazis were in North Africa with many Jewish communities, and the Arabs didn’t build camps or allow them to be taken to camps.
My point was that association with the Nazis, evil as they were, should not lead us to condemn every single person who ever spoke with them. It’s beyond dispute that Ratzinger joined the Hitler youth too…but that doesn’t mean he believed everything they taught, or was a bloodthirsty killer of Jews, which is what this poster is trying to imply about the British-Appointed Mufti.
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Valke2
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I agree that most arabs were not part of the active genocide campaign under Hitler. But the Grand Mufti did more than just speak with Hitler. His failure to actively participate in Hitler’s plan was not for lack of wanting.
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pro_universal
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I don’t know that we can say that for certain. But for sure, he wasn’t an anti-Nazi or a human rights type of guy. I think Hitler’s plans were not even on his menu; he most likely just wanted the British gone from Palestine at any cost, and for Palestinian Arabs to establish a nationalist state there. Hitler’s sick and demented machinations weren’t part of that goal.
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jonfan
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In 1941, Haj Amin al-Husseini fled to Germany and met with Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, Joachim Von Ribbentrop and other Nazi leaders. He wanted to persuade them to extend the Nazis’ anti-Jewish program to the Arab world.
The Mufti sent Hitler 15 drafts of declarations he wanted Germany and Italy to make concerning the Middle East. One called on the two countries to declare the illegality of the Jewish home in Palestine. Furthermore, “they accord to Palestine and to other Arab countries the right to solve the problem of the Jewish elements in Palestine and other Arab countries, in accordance with the interest of the Arabs and, by the same method, that the question is now being settled in the Axis countries.”1
In November 1941, the Mufti met with Hitler, who told him the Jews were his foremost enemy. The Nazi dictator rebuffed the Mufti’s requests for a declaration in support of the Arabs, however, telling him the time was not right. The Mufti offered Hitler his “thanks for the sympathy which he had always shown for the Arab and especially Palestinian cause, and to which he had given clear expression in his public speeches…The Arabs were Germany’s natural friends because they had the same enemies as had Germany, namely…the Jews…” Hitler replied:
Germany stood for uncompromising war against the Jews. That naturally included active opposition to the Jewish national home in Palestine…Germany would furnish positive and practical aid to the Arabs involved in the same struggle…Germany’s objective [is]…solely the destruction of the Jewish element residing in the Arab sphere…In that hour the Mufti would be the most authoritative spokesman for the Arab world. The Mufti thanked Hitler profusely.
jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/muftihit.html
1“Grand Mufti Plotted To Do Away With All Jews In Mideast,” Response, (Fall 1991), pp. 2-3.
2Record of the Conversation Between the Fuhrer and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem on November 28, 1941, in the Presence of Reich Foreign Minister and Minister Grobba in Berlin, Documents on German Foreign Policy, 1918-1945, Series D, Vol. XIII, London, 1964, p. 881ff in Walter Lacquer and Barry Rubin, The Israel-Arab Reader, (NY: Facts on File, 1984), pp. 79-84.
The Mufti sent Hitler 15 drafts of declarations he wanted Germany and Italy to make concerning the Middle East. One called on the two countries to declare the illegality of the Jewish home in Palestine. Furthermore, “they accord to Palestine and to other Arab countries the right to solve the problem of the Jewish elements in Palestine and other Arab countries, in accordance with the interest of the Arabs and, by the same method, that the question is now being settled in the Axis countries.”1
In November 1941, the Mufti met with Hitler, who told him the Jews were his foremost enemy. The Nazi dictator rebuffed the Mufti’s requests for a declaration in support of the Arabs, however, telling him the time was not right. The Mufti offered Hitler his “thanks for the sympathy which he had always shown for the Arab and especially Palestinian cause, and to which he had given clear expression in his public speeches…The Arabs were Germany’s natural friends because they had the same enemies as had Germany, namely…the Jews…” Hitler replied:
Germany stood for uncompromising war against the Jews. That naturally included active opposition to the Jewish national home in Palestine…Germany would furnish positive and practical aid to the Arabs involved in the same struggle…Germany’s objective [is]…solely the destruction of the Jewish element residing in the Arab sphere…In that hour the Mufti would be the most authoritative spokesman for the Arab world. The Mufti thanked Hitler profusely.
jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/muftihit.html
1“Grand Mufti Plotted To Do Away With All Jews In Mideast,” Response, (Fall 1991), pp. 2-3.
2Record of the Conversation Between the Fuhrer and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem on November 28, 1941, in the Presence of Reich Foreign Minister and Minister Grobba in Berlin, Documents on German Foreign Policy, 1918-1945, Series D, Vol. XIII, London, 1964, p. 881ff in Walter Lacquer and Barry Rubin, The Israel-Arab Reader, (NY: Facts on File, 1984), pp. 79-84.
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cestusdei
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A 12 year old forced to join the Hitler youth is a far cry from the Mufti voluntarily joining up with the Fuhrer. If you want to find copies of Mein Kampf being sold, and positively regarded, then you must go to a muslim country. In one breath they deny the holocaust, but then say they wish it had succeeded.
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dolphinlove
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Well said
Bottom line is, lets hope and pray we do not ever see this type of evil EVER again.
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Montalban
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Where ya been, bro?
Yes it does mean something different, as you note he was ‘young’ and it was compulsory, whether you believed in Hitler, or not, whereas the Mufti, as an adult, and not even under Nazi rule, actively saught out the Nazis to ally himself with them.
Different kettle of fish!
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Montalban
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Hitler wrote about the Jewish ‘plague’ long before he met the Mufti.
Think too about what you’re saying. He’d want the Brits a democracy with a legal madate over Palestine gone in favour of a dictator who would not have readily given up land. Are you saying the Mufti was really dumb?
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Booklover
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Would Muhammad allow the wording of the Quran to be changed if it was really the word of God??Muhammad had scribes write his revelations down for him. One scribe was `Abdullah Ibn Sa’d Ibn Abi Sarh. As Sarh wrote these revelations down, he frequently made suggestions on improving their wording. Muhammad often agreed and allowed the changes to be made. Eventually, Sarh left Islam, knowing it could not be from God if a mere scribe were allowed to change God’s word. Later, after the conquest of Mecca, Muhammad ordered Sarh’s death.
answering-islam.org/Quran/Sources/sarh.html
So much for the veracity of the Quran!
Vickie
answering-islam.org/Quran/Sources/sarh.html
So much for the veracity of the Quran!
Vickie
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Montalban
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At least he once admitted he was speaking with Satan
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_verses
But what this means is that Muhammed was able to discern what should, and what shouldn’t go into the Koran
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Chris_LaRock
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If he was a real prophet, he wouldn’t be deciding what God’s message should be. He would’ve taken it down as it was given to him.
Think of it like this: If a man was dictating a letter to his secretary, he wouldn’t like it if the secretary left things out of the letter or otherwise tried to alter the intended message to reflect what they wanted to put into it. The prophets are like God’s secretaries in the way that they took down God’s words.
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Jayda
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hola,
this is very interesting, gracias slyboots, does anybody know if the Church has specifically forbidden marriage to muslims? it is an established Canon that our children be raised Catholic… if muslims insist children are raised as muslims this cannot be allowed…
Dominus Vobiscum
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Chris_LaRock
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God’s word says not to be unevenly yoked with unbelievers, right?
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