Ask a Pagan, Part 2

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Now when I have looked into it a bit more (not very much though) its seems like the reason for why you can’t be a member if your not living in Sweden is because they only exist in Sweden and therefore they can not give any sort of service to the person in question. I think you don’t have to be of Northern European descent, at least they don’t explicitly say that you have to, but since their faith and tradition doesn’t exist outside of Scandinavian countries you can’t possible have been born into it. Therefore you have to convert and since they only have an organisation in Sweden you have to move there (or here, from my point of view :D) to be a part of the organisation. However, they have sister-organisations in other Scandinavian countries.
I’d definitely call them traditionalist then, or even tribalist. I should mention that the most common form of Heathenry in North America is Asatru because most of the source material comes from Iceland. I do know of some Anglo-Saxon Heathens, but apparently their numbers are shrinking. Some people just don’t “specialize” in a particular culture and just call themselves “Heathens”.
 
I must’ve been a weird one for picking Asatru back in the day if we go off genetics. As far back as my ancestry can be traced I’m about 90% German, 5% Swedish, and 5% mixed (mostly native American, Irish, and Scottish).
 
I must’ve been a weird one for picking Asatru back in the day if we go off genetics. As far back as my ancestry can be traced I’m about 90% German, 5% Swedish, and 5% mixed (mostly native American, Irish, and Scottish).
Nah, you’d be okay, you still have Northern European genes, Icelandic or otherwise. 😃
 
Question to the pagans.

Your gods’ temples and scared places have crumbled to dust and are forgotten.

Your gods’ priests and followers are but faint specks in history.

Your gods have been reduced to comic book characters.

Why would you worship such weak and flaccid beings?

Question to the witches

If you can control the material world, then create gold, platinum and gems out of nothing and make me wealthy beyond my imagination.

If you can control men’s minds, then make Scarlett Johannson fall madly in love with me.
“If you really are the Christ, than come down from the cross.”
Please keep in mind that we must represent Christs love and forgiveness, it is not in our authority to judge. To the OP i’ll be praying for you- this is coming from a former pagan/wiccan.
 
I’ve always thougth that Pagans were responding to how God was revealing himself to humanity before he chose to reveal himself further with Israel(Jews) and then fully revealing himself through his Son.
 
Hello Lokabrenna,

How are you? I wanted to ask a couple of questions for the sake of enlightening myself about other people’s beliefs.
  1. Do you believe these gods have an objective existence? Do they really exist, or are they merely a product of your imagination?
  2. Have you ever thought about the possibility of being a Catholic but retaining an interest in mythology (you seem very knowledgeable on this topic)?
  3. If the God of Abraham is “just another god”, how did he manage to become so popular? What gives? And if people suddenly stopped worshiping him, would he cease to exist?
  4. Do you believe prayers are the same as spells?
You seem like a fairly nice person and I wish you well. Hope you have a nice day.
 
Thanks for your time Lokabrenna. It’s really appreciated.

Two more questions I want to ask for now is:
  1. Do you openly profess to be a Pagan?
  2. Have you ever faced discrimination because of your beliefs?
 
Thanks for your time Lokabrenna. It’s really appreciated.

Two more questions I want to ask for now is:
  1. Do you openly profess to be a Pagan?
No, there is no “Profession of Faith” that applies to all Pagans. If you want to join a particular Pagan religion, they might have something like it. In Asatru, some Kindreds require you to “profess” a belief in the deities (forsaking all other deities) but students are strongly discouraged from taking this step, as oaths are taken very seriously (not just in Asatru, but in Heathenry as a whole). Here’s an example of an oath (a “gothi” is basically a priest):
The Gothi stands in front of the altar and says “Will [insert name here] please come forward.” After he or she does so “Are you here of your own free will? Is it your intention to solemnly swear allegiance and kinship to the Gods of Asgard, the Aesir and Vanir?” If the answer to both these questions is in the affirmative the Gothi takes up the oath ring (or some other holy object upon which oaths are sworn) and holds it out to the person professing and says “Repeat after me. I swear to ever uphold the Raven Banner of Asgard, to follow the way of the North, to always act with honor and bravery, and to be ever true to the Aesir and Vanir and to Asatru. By the Gods I so swear. By my honor I so swear. On this Holy Ring I so swear. Hail the Gods.” The kindred then replies “Hail the Gods!” and the Gothi finishes “Then be welcome to the service of Asgard and the community of Asatru.”
From here: ravenkindred.com/RBRituals.html

It’s a bit like how calling oneself a “Christian” is fine but if someone wants to be “Catholic”, they go through RCIA, only not quite. Many members of the community are “eclectic” Pagans, who draw elements from many different belief systems, some are solitary (by choice or not), so these people wouldn’t necessarily have the option or desire to formally profess a belief in a particular deity. Individual Pagans might dedicate themselves to the service of a particular deity, but not everyone does this. It’s not a decision anyone should take lightly. It’s kind of like deciding to marry someone when you’ve only known them for a day.

For me personally, I didn’t go through a process in which I formally renounced Catholicism and adopted Paganism, I just decided I was Pagan and that was that. I looked into specific groups, but I’m not really a group person, to be honest, and there are only a few groups of Vanatruar in existence at this time. If I were to take an oath, it would be to one of the gods, but, as I said, it’s a big step and not one I feel comfortable taking at this time.
  1. Have you ever faced discrimination because of your beliefs?
I’m basically “in the closet” at the moment (except for certain places on the Internet), so it’s not something I bring out in public. If someone asks, I’ll usually say that I’m “unsure”. I’ve heard accounts of people losing their jobs, custody of their children, and having their houses and businesses vandalized (or burnt to the ground, in one woman’s case) because they were Pagan, and while I’d like to believe that the people around me are good people who would never do such a thing to someone else because they’re different, you never know. I think here in Canada we tend to be a little more private regarding religion in general, so it hasn’t come up a lot. I do plan on telling any significant others though, because it’s kind of important, but my family thinks it’s a big joke (my mom thinks I’m an atheist, actually)
 
I actually became interested in ancient cultures because of my Catholic education! What little we learned of other cultures at the elementary school level came with the assumption that: “But of course, no one worships these gods anymore!” or suggested that the ancients were stupid or didn’t actually believe in their gods, or, at best, that they were simply misguided because they didn’t have The Truth ™.
Thats actually how I started to become interested in Asatru (Really Heathenry as a whole). I guess growing up having Norse myths read to me as a child contributed to it heavily as well. I remember that my dad always thought I was weird because Odin was my favorite and not Thor (who was the favorite of all my brothers).
 
I remember that my dad always thought I was weird because Odin was my favorite and not Thor (who was the favorite of all my brothers).
So you cherish(ed) knowledge and wisdom more than physical strength. That’s not weird.
 
So you cherish(ed) knowledge and wisdom more than physical strength. That’s not weird.
Thor does tend to be portrayed as a “dumb muscle”. Personally, I always liked Loki because of his reputation for cunning and his willingness to make a fool of himself when necessary (such as when he made Skadi laugh by tying one end of a rope to his bits and the other to a goat and letting the goat jerk him around).
 
The adherents call it Christian-Wicca. It isn’t the first quasi pagan religion to develop out of Christianity.

Depending upon how one counts, the first two, or first three quasi-pagan religions were developed by Catholic priests. Even today, adherents of Santaria and Voudon consider themselves to be Catholic.

Amber
that’s known as cultural catholic. They have some of the trappings but none of the substance and bear no resemblance to true Catholicism.
 
One group is in the Philippines. Another group is in the High Desert country of the United States. Offhand, I don’t remember where the other groups reside.

The groups that practice it have become extremely reluctant to talk about it with outsiders. The basic reason is that religion is not a spectator sport.
well this is just an example of people acting outside the Church. This is not a Church approved activity.
 
. Beyond that, I’d say “Don’t be a d*ck,” sums up how I try to live my life.
The odd thing is, the ancient Scandinavians and Germans were pretty much total praeputiae.

Brave, to be sure, but praeputiae nonetheless.

I can’t fathom what Thor thinks of Gerhardt Schroeder.
 
So I think at one point I was a Catholic who was interested in mythology, and then I discovered that I couldn’t reconcile my positions on certain issues (abortion, homosexuality, ordination of women) with the position of the Church and I realized that the things I just assumed were true, historical events (Adam and Eve, the Flood) just didn’t make a whole lot of sense. At one point I wondered if maybe I was more suited to be a liberal Protestant (since plenty of them don’t take the Bible literally) but I felt even less “at home” in a Protestant church than I did in a Catholic church.
would you say that basically, since you couldn’t reconcile your feelings with Church teaching you decided to find a religion that made you feel comfortable? or created a religion of your own understand?

personally, if I didn’t believe in Christ and in his teachings to the Church He founded, I wouldn’t bother with religion at all.
 
I discovered that I couldn’t reconcile my positions on certain issues (abortion, homosexuality, ordination of women) with the position of the Church and I realized that the things I just assumed were true, historical events (Adam and Eve, the Flood) just didn’t make a whole lot of sense.
Refusing to worship at a Catholic church for want of a priestess is reasonable.

Judging the rhinegold more believable than the flood is hard to understand.
 
if I didn’t believe in Christ and in his teachings to the Church He founded, I wouldn’t bother with religion at all.
I would go back to worshipping money. It’s a bitter religion, but rewarding.
 
Thor does tend to be portrayed as a “dumb muscle”. Personally, I always liked Loki because of his reputation for cunning and his willingness to make a fool of himself when necessary (such as when he made Skadi laugh by tying one end of a rope to his bits and the other to a goat and letting the goat jerk him around).
sounds like Loki is the god of masochists!
 
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