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Well, in my own experience, it’s because I base my beliefs on a direct experience of the Divine. I don’t follow dogma, I follow God and the experience of God in my own personal life. How can I possibly tell anyone else that their experience of God is wrong?
So you are not open to the possibility that someone may mistakenly believe that he is experiencing God, when actually he is not? Or no possibility that someone may mistakenly interpret what he believes he has experienced? No concrete right or wrong actions, it’s all down to individual experience and interpretation?

That’s it with most pagans though isn’t it? No really firm foundations for their faith, no real commonality of belief, just what they, personally, think things to be. Very much based on the individual rather than on a community of believers. No wonder then that it’s hard to actually find two pagans who believe the same things (which was very much my experience of paganism). Each man is his own religious sect.
How can I possibly tell anyone else that their experience of God is wrong?
Peter Sutcliffe, the ‘Yorkshire Ripper’, claimed God told him to kill prostitutes. Would you tell him that his experience of ‘God’ was wrong?
 
So you are not open to the possibility that someone may mistakenly believe that he is experiencing God, when actually he is not? Or no possibility that someone may mistakenly interpret what he believes he has experienced? No concrete right or wrong actions, it’s all down to individual experience and interpretation?

That’s it with most pagans though isn’t it? No really firm foundations for their faith, no real commonality of belief, just what they, personally, think things to be. Very much based on the individual rather than on a community of believers. No wonder then that it’s hard to actually find two pagans who believe the same things (which was very much my experience of paganism). Each man is his own religious sect.

Peter Sutcliffe, the ‘Yorkshire Ripper’, claimed God told him to kill prostitutes. Would you tell him that his experience of ‘God’ was wrong?
Exactly, this is precisely why reason is so important to approach God; He, after all, did provide us with it.

I wonder, though, if a personalized belief that no-one else shares can be labelled a “religion”. I guess it can be properly labelled “spirituality” or something? :confused:
 
No disrespect to anyone but you have to wonder why would someone come on a Catholic site and post something like this and then not expect us to show where this is in direct conflict with Christ and the teachings of his Church.

God gives us all free will to honor him or step away from his truth and follow a false truth.

While I agree these people are free to practice these rituals, they must have known we have a right and duty of Christians to show where they are in direct conflict with the word of God.😃

You come on and say ask me anything. Then when we disagree with what you say we are condmened.🤷
 
Sorcery is condemned in the bible. Lev. 19:26
And I care why? I do not believe it is the inspired word of God and as such do not belive that condemnation to be of any gravity. You do and as such do not practice any matter of sorcery which is totally fine. I myself don’t do magic and dont plan on it unless I encounter a problem that I truly cannot overcome with just my physical ability’s, ie. some sort of malevolent spirit. Men are given strength at birth for the trials of life, but my 12 gauge isnt exactly the ideal weapon for fighting a poltergeist.
 
Then why keep bringing it up? I’m not trying to ‘win’ any argument, I’m just pointing out our Church’s position. I thought that that’s what you were interesting in finding out about.
LOL, I don’t keep bringing it up. When have I ever stated anything about my religion being the fullness of “truth” or used the word “truth” to speak about the mystery of God?
 
No disrespect to anyone but you have to wonder why would someone come on a Catholic site and post something like this and then not expect us to show where this is in direct conflict with Christ and the teachings of his Church.

God gives us all free will to honor him or step away from his truth and follow a false truth.

While I agree these people are free to practice these rituals, they must have known we have a right and duty of Christians to show where they are in direct conflict with the word of God.😃

You come on and say ask me anything. Then when we disagree with what you say we are condmened.🤷
Oh no I totally expected this kind of thing, but I enjoy dialogue, and have a fair grasp (if i do say so myself) of Catholicism, sense I had religion class every day for 13 years plus confirmation.

I just figured I would get the basic questions and then it would degrade into a slogging match of back and forth which neither side can win because of fundamental belief system differences. Within a religion, it is possible to win a debate like this, (Ive actually done it on behalf of catholicism with some bible thumpers just for the S&G’s) but when your basic concepts of deity and sacred scripture are so different you just cant win this sort of argument.
 
I am not aware of any other (mainstream) religion that emphasizes the important relationship between faith and reason, no.
Well, Buddhism for one, and pretty much all of the schools of Yogic thought, as well. These are not blind religions but very old (Yoga is about 3,000+ years old), pre-Christian schools of philosophy. If you study them in any depth at all, you will easily see this.
 
The human dimension here is important—I always find the psychology of those asserting that they are pagans to be fascinating.

Many stories there. Many political views, often.
 
So you are not open to the possibility that someone may mistakenly believe that he is experiencing God, when actually he is not? Or no possibility that someone may mistakenly interpret what he believes he has experienced? No concrete right or wrong actions, it’s all down to individual experience and interpretation??
Why on earth would I need to make it MY BUSINESS??? :confused:

That’s it with most Catholics, though, isn’t it? You make everyone’s personal beliefs your business. It takes up so much energy that could be going to better things.

And hey, your God of the bible couldn’t even find ten good Sodomites because he decided to kill them all in Genesis 19. Maybe your god did tell the Ripper to kill prostitutes. 🤷
 
So you are not open to the possibility that someone may mistakenly believe that he is experiencing God, when actually he is not? Or no possibility that someone may mistakenly interpret what he believes he has experienced? No concrete right or wrong actions, it’s all down to individual experience and interpretation?

That’s it with most pagans though isn’t it? No really firm foundations for their faith, no real commonality of belief, just what they, personally, think things to be. Very much based on the individual rather than on a community of believers. No wonder then that it’s hard to actually find two pagans who believe the same things (which was very much my experience of paganism). Each man is his own religious sect.

Peter Sutcliffe, the ‘Yorkshire Ripper’, claimed God told him to kill prostitutes. Would you tell him that his experience of ‘God’ was wrong?
This is the problem with Paganism/New Age thought; You and I are the source and summit of our own truth. The reality is that it is nothing but confusion. That is why there is no real consistency of belief. Just another face of Gnosticism; concealed truth known only to an enlightened few; claims which can neither be proven or disproven. Neither objective nor revealed truth are part of the equation. Their “truth” is completely subjective and relative and therefore it is no truth at all.
 
The human dimension here is important—I always find the psychology of those asserting that they are pagans to be fascinating.

Many stories there. Many political views, often.
I think the term stems partially from some resentment, similar to the way gay people have sense adopted the word queer, which was and still can be considered an insult.

Personally I like it, and prefer it to “Heathen” which is the term alot of Germanic pagans use, because it both identifies the larger movement as a whole and it is an accurate description of me, I realy am a “country dweller”.
 
Why on earth would I need to make it MY BUSINESS??? :confused:

That’s it with most Catholics, though, isn’t it? You make everyone’s personal beliefs your business. It takes up so much energy that could be going to better things.

And hey, your God of the bible couldn’t even find ten good Sodomites because he decided to kill them all in Genesis 19. Maybe your god did tell the Ripper to kill prostitutes. 🤷
Your remarks are incredibly offensive. You should remember where you are. If you are not interested in Catholics making your beliefs their business then what are you doing on this forum? Are we suppose to listen to you spew anything you wish without challenging it?

:onpatrol:
 
Your remarks are incredibly offensive. You should remember where you are. If you are not interested in Catholics making your beliefs their business then what are you doing on this forum? Are we suppose to listen to you spew anything you wish without challenging it?

:onpatrol:
I would kind of agree,we dont need to insult each other. It gets us nowhere and degrades the matters at hand. I to have probably said things a bit harsh.

BTW, I saw you live in SW Rado, My cousin goes to Ft. Lewis State in Durango.
 
… why would someone come on a Catholic site and post something like this …
Well, for starters, it was posted in the Non-Catholic Religions forum, where people go who wish to discuss other religions and learn about the history and culture of other religions. I have not read all 800+ messages of this thread, but I read a fair bit and it didn’t corrupt my faith or render service to other gods.

I assume Skadi is performing “in character” for educational purposes, and is not truly a pagan, nor serving other gods, nor under the influence of a demon. If an actor comes to my kids’ elementary school dressed up and acting the part of Benjamin Franklin, I have no reason to suspect he is actually possessed by the spirit of Ben Franklin or a demon, or that he is worshiping Ben Franklin…

:confused: Though many do worship his image:
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Be on guard against that cult!
 
Today the vast majority of magical practitioners are very against using magic to harm others. there are of course those Satanists out there who would try to so otherwise, and others, but they are outliers. Damm Warlocks giving new age folks a bad name.
LOL…

Do you believe in satanic powers/influences, or is it just a lot of hooey, in your opinion?
 
This may be a hair off topic, but is related to some recent posts in this thread. It seems like Catholics place a great value on applying reason to faith, but then also assert that the Bible is not to be interpreted by said reason, but, rather, established Church interpretations are to accepted seemingly blindly. These two charges seem to be mutually exclusive. Can anyone clarify?
 
LOL…

Do you believe in satanic powers/influences, or is it just a lot of hooey, in your opinion?
I don’t believe in Satan, but there is definitely stuff out there that is rather dangerous in not flat out malevolent.

Warlock dosnt mean Satanic or even necessarily evil, but it is definitely an insult, dont ever call a male witch a warlock. A warlock is a breaker of oaths, the word comes from the old Germanic word for traitor. Generaly used for those sort of folks who lie or who dabble in darker forms of magic.
 
This may be a hair off topic, but is related to some recent posts in this thread. It seems like Catholics place a great value on applying reason to faith, but then also assert that the Bible is not to be interpreted by said reason, but, rather, established Church interpretations are to accepted seemingly blindly. These two charges seem to be mutually exclusive. Can anyone clarify?
A little uncharitable, and a little muddled in interpretation.

The Catholic viewpoint seems to uphold the idea that their faith can be rationally expressed and is commensurate with the dictates of a person’s reasoning abilities…to a point.

There are however, acknowledged sets of “mysteries” within their religion which essentially lay outside the realm of human understanding. Their conception of the Trinity for instance is a strong example of this.

However, there is a “positive” sense about the human mind’s ability to rationally comprehend the commandments of their deity and extend the principles (thou shall not kill) on to issues that did not exist at the time that those statements were made (medically assisted suicide, abortion et al.)

I suppose the viewpoint can be encapsulated in Anselm of Canterbury’s statement about “Faith seeking Understanding.”

Reason isn’t the starting point, but rather the acceptance of certain revealed truths that are essentially non-negotiable. The “methodology” if you want to call it that is a bit like deriving truths from a set of concrete first principles.

How do we know those first principles are “concrete?” Well, that’s what all the fuss is about when you really think about it.

The specific Catholic “hobby horses” if you will, generally point in directions related to tradition and authority and historic foundation. Ergo, those who feel engaged to take an eristic approach toward interfaith affairs (ie: debate), generally launch into criticisms based on those 3 pillars if you will.

There is of course debate within the Christian tradition about what constitutes correct tradition, the use/misuse of authority, and the historic accuracy of the development of their Church(es). At the very least though, there exist some commonalities about what the believe in, although the role of Reason tends to fluctuate depending on which sect that one speaks of.
 
I don’t believe in Satan, but there is definitely stuff out there that is rather dangerous in not flat out malevolent.

Warlock dosnt mean Satanic or even necessarily evil, but it is definitely an insult, dont ever call a male witch a warlock. A warlock is a breaker of oaths, the word comes from the old Germanic word for traitor. Generaly used for those sort of folks who lie or who dabble in darker forms of magic.
Trust me, all Christians hope that Satan is not real.👍
 
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