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ILIKECEREAL
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That disrespectful to say about another’s belief.
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Skadi
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… There is sure a hell of alot to gain by calling yourself the chosen one sent by God, let alone the son of God. Namely the undying affection and unfaltering loyalty of your followers.I suppose you are right. For Christians, it is about faith (not proof) and being drawn to Jesus’ teachings that are so compelling in terms of eternity. No man would declare what Jesus declared, if he was not who he said he was, unless of course he was crazy and I do not think Jesus was just a 1st century deluded crazy man. As a sane man, (nothing more) claiming to be the messiah, there would be nothing to gain in this life, for the man, Jesus. Jesus being who he said he was, is the only way his teachings make any sense. Of course anyone, if they try hard enough can poke holes in an idea that is believed.
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SteveVH
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Really? How about being whipped and beaten until you are almost unrecognizable, spat upon, mocked, thorns smashed into your head, and, ultimately, crucifixion. And then of course we must look at these followers of his. They faced being skinned alive, boiled in oil, being torn apart by wild animals, crucifixion, decapitation and just about anything and everything else the human mind could construct to inflict pain and death on another. Yeah, they had a lot to gain, but it wasn’t on this earth. Your statement does not line up with the historical account.
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Skadi
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The concept which I hold seems to me to make the most sense based apon my life experience and the world which surrounds us.
An omni-present pantheistic deity composed of all life may seem crazy to a christian, but nature follows a very set patter which I believe indicates this well. Organelles make up a cell, cells make up a tissue, tissues make up an organ, organs make up an organ system, organ systems make up an animal, animals make up a population, populations make up an ecosystem, ecosystems make up larger ecosystems, large ecosystems make up the earths biosphere. So what is the logical next step? the various biospheres of the universe, physical and non-physical, make up God. God is the great point of origin that connects all life in the universe.
Now as for the plurality of Gods, All the earth has various religions and cultures, however they all share common threads. Unjustly killing, stealing for profit rather than survival, and Incest are universal rejected around the world by all cultures except those small ones which spring up to directly oppose said cultures (Ie. Satanism). All these cultures have these basic tenants, stemming from religion, and while what constitutes just killing or theft may vary (I would believe killing appropriate in many more instances than you) they all at the core hold the same concept. You dont steal to get rich, you dont slit a random persons throat, You do not have sexual relations with your mother, ect.
As such, it is totally understandable to think that religion originates from the same point, God, the Is All. Cultures can be immensely different, and as such people see things in a culturally relative term. If Apollo appeared to a 15th century Samurai and started speaking to him in Greek that conversation wouldnt go far. As such, peoples religion is culturally relative, both shaping and being shaped by culture. They lead to the Is All, and express universal truth aswell as manners in which we can better ourselves.
That to me makes perfect sense. That and personal experience have led me to where I am today.
Mlamg and Kallisto would each have different answers themselves, there is no CCC to define pagan belief.
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Skadi
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The man traveled the land for two years as a wandering prophet with at times thousands of followers. We know what the bible says, but what could it have left out? How do you know Jesus wasnt taking money and women every night after those sermons? we know he knew and was around prostitutes and others considered sinful.
Further more, there are people all across the world locked up in mental institutions, or wandering around (some as cult leaders) convinced they are gods or prophets of gods, who would go to their gruesome ends without a though, firmly confident in their divinity.
Similarly, the followers of Jim Jones followed him to their needles deaths after seeing no miracles to speak of. But that must be some sort of government cover up right? no human being would ever alow themselves to be martyred for a religion they had never seen produce a miracle right?
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Skadi
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Jesus said he is god in a group of contradictory first century books which were then attached to a bunch of pep talks and Jewish history books, so he must be the son of God.
This is either a insult or an cheap attempt to get a laugh but either way I am not offended, I try to remain above petty **** like this.
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SteveVH
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And therefore your “truth” is completely relative and subjective, which is diametrically opposed to the nature of real Truth. It exists whether you believe it or not, accept it or not, or are even aware of it. It is not dependent upon the various whims and notions of mankind. Our belief system should derive from truth, not truth from our belief system. If the sky is blue it makes little difference how much I want it to be red.
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Skadi
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How so are my beliefs subjective? The Gods exist no matter how much you oppose their worship. No matter how much you may wish that incest was acceptable it is not. While the trappings of religion, its dietys and culture, vary from religion to religion, the things that matter, These basic universal beliefs are alwase there.
You claim that I am a relativist so that you can use a standard issue argument against relativism, but I am not. Culture, particular dietys, that is reletive, But basic right and wrong are set in stone. The only difference between my view and yours is you have more concrete rules than I do.
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mlamg
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It’s completely pointless here. I keep posting replies that get deleted. Censoring is never a good thing. What is this, communist China?? I suppose I’ll be banned soon, like so many others.Respectfully asking a pagan “which false gods do you worship?” is the wrong approach.
We’ve been dialogued to death over the past 50+ years, and I’m convinced that dialogue is code for “do nothing”
Eh, whatever. It sure makes these forums look bad, that’s all I’ll say.
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mlamg
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They don’t care. The mods won’t cite them, but they are fine citing me and so many others. This forum is a joke.
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joe371
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We should always show respect for the beliefs of others. Don’t you think? I sure wouldn’t want someone disrespecting my beliefs, just because they don’t embrace them. If not their beliefs, at least their right to believe them and talk about them.
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joe371
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I wouldn’t call the forum a joke. You should try and discuss your beliefs with some non-Catholic forums to witness real bashing. The 3 or 4 that I went to long ago treated like I was their mortal enemy once they found out I was catholic. I was eventually given the boot for no good reason. In general, I think everyone here (regardless of beliefs) get’s along rather well; wouldn’t you agree?
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Skadi
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I will say there is a bitof truth to that, while this thread has degraded to a less than civil slogging match I can count the posts calling me a devil worshiper using my fingers. Cant do that after 5 minuets on an evangelical forum.
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joe371
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You are treated better when discussing your beliefs on an evangelical forum?
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mlamg
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I wouldn’t set foot (finger?) on en evangelical forum!!! As it is, I fear for my sanity coming on here, LOL.
I just find it unfair to be cited when I specifically used the same wording as a Catholic poster, to sort of show it was disrespectful. You know, trying to hold up a mirror to them. But their post was not deleted. Mine was, and I got spank points. It shows the bias on here, even in a non-Catholic area. Not very fair.
In another posting, I said that no one has a telephone directly to God, so we don’t truly know if what we are practicing is “truth”. That got deleted, too, and I was told the reason was disrespect for Christianity!!
Seriously, what the heck?
Frustrating.
I just find it unfair to be cited when I specifically used the same wording as a Catholic poster, to sort of show it was disrespectful. You know, trying to hold up a mirror to them. But their post was not deleted. Mine was, and I got spank points. It shows the bias on here, even in a non-Catholic area. Not very fair.
In another posting, I said that no one has a telephone directly to God, so we don’t truly know if what we are practicing is “truth”. That got deleted, too, and I was told the reason was disrespect for Christianity!!
Seriously, what the heck?
Frustrating.
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joe371
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Hmm…Sorry about that…That certainly seemed like a harmless thing to say…I wouldn’t set foot (finger?) on en evangelical forum!!! As it is, I fear for my sanity coming on here, LOL.
I just find it unfair to be cited when I specifically used the same wording as a Catholic poster, to sort of show it was disrespectful. You know, trying to hold up a mirror to them. But their post was not deleted. Mine was, and I got spank points. It shows the bias on here, even in a non-Catholic area. Not very fair.
In another posting, I said that no one has a telephone directly to God, so we don’t truly know if what we are practicing is “truth”. That got deleted, too, and I was told the reason was disrespect for Christianity!!
Seriously, what the heck?
Frustrating.
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mlamg
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I thought so, too.Hmm…Sorry about that…That certainly seemed like a harmless thing to say…
Well, this might be goodbye. If I get banned, it’s been an interesting and challenging debate. Even though we don’t agree on many things, love and light to all of you. Peace!
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joe371
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Hope you stick around…don’t get banned…I thought so, too.
Well, this might be goodbye. If I get banned, it’s been an interesting and challenging debate. Even though we don’t agree on many things, love and light to all of you. Peace!
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Skadi
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No the exact opposite.
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