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Appearently, there aren’t many pentecostals on this forum and theres’ been major misconceptions.

So, ask me anything.
 
KingJohn said:
Appearently, there aren’t many pentecostals on this forum and theres’ been major misconceptions.

So, ask me anything.
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Why the emphasis on “baptism of the Holy Spirit”. Particularly, the flopping on the ground and gibberish speak.

Also, where are such practices seen historically?
 
I’m posting so I can read the questions and answers and learn more. Thanks for starting the thread.
Peace in Christ,
Mary.
 
KingJohn said:
Appearently, there aren’t many pentecostals on this forum and theres’ been major misconceptions.

So, ask me anything.
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Why do many pentecostals do the whole speaking in tongues thing even though most of them are probably just making up words. And why are your services so based on speaking in tongues when in scripture this was a sign of prophecy and there was an interpreter.
 
Jon_S said:
Why the emphasis on “baptism of the Holy Spirit”. Particularly, the flopping on the ground and gibberish speak.

Also, where are such practices seen historically?
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I don’t quite understand.

Are you speaking of speaking in tounges? If so, we believe it is a tounge where only God can hear our prayers, sort of like a spiritual bond.

Flopping on the ground? Wha?

Historically? I’l get back to you on that. Biblically?

1 Corinthians 14:1-40 14 Pursue love, and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy. 2 For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit. 3 On the other hand, the one who prophesies speaks to people for their upbuilding and encouragement and consolation. 4 The one who speaks in a tongue builds up himself, but the one who prophesies builds up the church. 5 Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be built up.
 
Actually there is one Pentecostal who is very active on this board. His name is Itwin.

I think he has already done an “ask a Pentecostal” thread.
 
landon13 said:
Why do many pentecostals do the whole speaking in tongues thing even though most of them are probably just making up words. And why are your services so based on speaking in tongues when in scripture this was a sign of prophecy and there was an interpreter.
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As our lord says multiple times to speak in tounges. It is a language that connects us to God, that only he can understand.
 
KingJohn said:
As our lord says multiple times to speak in tounges. It is a language that connects us to God, that only he can understand.
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In the Bible, tongues were used for speaking to unbelievers as in Acts 2:11. Also, speaking in tongues was used for strengthening the Church as in 1 Corinthians 14:27 and this one here required an interpreter.

Please show me in Scripture or in Sacred Tradition where speaking in tongues was used as communication for some sort of private revelation with God.

Also, why do many Pentecostals think that they have to have some spirit baptism to be Christian? It also seems like unless people speak in these so called “tongues” that they really don’t fit into the Pentecostal church.
 
What is “falling out in the Holy Spirit” where someone just falls flat on the floor randomly
 
KingJohn said:
I don’t quite understand.

Flopping on the ground? Wha?

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Yes I meant speaking in tongues, but since that has a wide range of meanings to people I particularly meant the gibberish, incomprehensible babble meaning.

When I went to a Pentecostal church, people would go up and start babbling and then the pastor would push them over and they looked like they had a seizure. There were a couple people there to catch the seizing patient.

My sister attended a Pentecostal church for a while snd told me the peer pressure to perform was very high so most people would go along. She also said the pastor would push pretty hard and get upset if you did not faint/seize.

So that’s where my question is coming from.

Also, since you claim this is biblical certainly there should be massive amounts of historical evidence in the last 2000 years regarding this practice.
 
KingJohn said:
As our lord says multiple times to speak in tounges. It is a language that connects us to God, that only he can understand.
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Why is tongues different from Pentecost, where the Apostles spoke in tongues and each heard it in their own language? Even in the chapter you reference St. Paul states, ‘I thank my God I speak with all your tongues.’ That signifies speaking a language familiar to the listener.
1Co 14:19 But in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that I may instruct others also: than ten thousand words in a tongue.
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Why do some Pentecostals and other Evangelicals use the word “water” when talking about baptism?

Do you baptize with some other liquid, maybe Dr Pepper, or beer?
 
andrewstx said:
Why do some Pentecostals and other Evangelicals use the word “water” when talking about baptism?

Do you baptize with some other liquid, maybe Dr Pepper, or beer?
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It is to differentiate it from baptism in the Holy Spirit
 
landon13 said:
In the Bible, tongues were used for speaking to unbelievers as in Acts 2:11. Also, speaking in tongues was used for strengthening the Church as in 1 Corinthians 14:27 and this one here required an interpreter.

Please show me in Scripture or in Sacred Tradition where speaking in tongues was used as communication for some sort of private revelation with God.

Also, why do many Pentecostals think that they have to have some spirit baptism to be Christian? It also seems like unless people speak in these so called “tongues” that they really don’t fit into the Pentecostal church.
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1 Corinthians 14:1-40

The one who speaks in a tongue builds up himself, but the one who prophesies builds up the church. Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy

So, yes, he wants us to prophesy more in his name then to build ourselves up. However, Christ does not say he doesn’t want us to build ourself up, and in every translation of the bible - even the Catholic Bible - he says he wants us to speak in tounges but even more to prophesy.

We do not follow “Catholic” tridition of that is what you’re saying.

Private communion?
1 Corinthians 14:27-28 If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret. But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God.

1 Corinthians 14:2 For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit.

Now, you can use these scriptures against me all you want, but it’ll be hard.

I’m not here to debate, I’m here to inform.

As for Baptaism - it is not a necessity for salvation or to become a Christian. What makes you think that?

One of the most fundamental things in our denomination is that if one accepts Christ as their personal lord and savior, they are saved. They are born again and adopted into God’s family.

It is easy to lose salvation, but we also believe in repentence.

Baptism and speaking in tounges aren’t required at all. We believe Christ brings salvation and that he died for our sins. If people want to be baptized and speak in tounges, which most Pentecostal converts do, they are encouraged to.

I personally am not baptized, FYI.
 
MaeganFlinchum1 said:
What is “falling out in the Holy Spirit” where someone just falls flat on the floor randomly
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Have you been watching Benny Hinn?

Some Pentecostals, when praying, believe that the power of God is over them so they fall out and shake. Personally, I believe it’s more then possible to experience the power of the Holy Spirit.

But it’s not random. Some other pentecostals can probably explain it better then me.
 
KingJohn said:
1 Corinthians 14:1-40

The one who speaks in a tongue builds up himself, but the one who prophesies builds up the church. Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy

So, yes, he wants us to prophesy more in his name then to build ourselves up. However, Christ does not say he doesn’t want us to build ourself up, and in every translation of the bible - even the Catholic Bible - he says he wants us to speak in tounges but even more to prophesy.

We do not follow “Catholic” tridition of that is what you’re saying.

Private communion?
1 Corinthians 14:27-28 If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret. But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God.

1 Corinthians 14:2 For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit.

Now, you can use these scriptures against me all you want, but it’ll be hard.

I’m not here to debate, I’m here to inform.

As for Baptaism - it is not a necessity for salvation or to become a Christian. What makes you think that?

One of the most fundamental things in our denomination is that if one accepts Christ as their personal lord and savior, they are saved. They are born again and adopted into God’s family.

It is easy to lose salvation, but we also believe in repentence.

Baptism and speaking in tounges aren’t required at all. We believe Christ brings salvation and that he died for our sins. If people want to be baptized and speak in tounges, which most Pentecostal converts do, they are encouraged to.

I personally am not baptized, FYI.
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It seems your intense focus on 3 or 4 verses of the Bible causes you to not only overlook verses in the same chapter but elsewhere such as :

1 Peter 3: 21 And baptism, which this prefigured, now saves you—not as a removal of dirt from the body, but as an appeal to God for[f] a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers made subject to him.m

Just an observation I think you should consider especially in light of the lack of historical evidence .
 
But people asked for the historical evidence, and if you’re like me, and believe the Bible has historically elements then those scriptures should be enough, unless you want me to dig up 19 other verses.
 
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