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What’s the point of the “Ask a ~blank~” threads if conversation doesn’t ensue afterword?

“What does A mean in your religion?”

“Well, we interpret it to mean B.”

“Oh, that’s nice.”

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If someone starts an “Ask a Follower of Anubis” thread, it’s only reasonable that the questions should be about Anubis – not about the Anubis follower’s knowledge of Catholicism. That reverses the direction of the stated topic of the thread (and undermines its entire raison d’etre.)
 
If someone starts an “Ask a Follower of Anubis” thread, it’s only reasonable that the questions should be about Anubis – not about the Anubis follower’s knowledge of Catholicism. That reverses the direction of the stated topic of the thread (and undermines its entire raison d’etre.)
I don’t think questions of the religion as it pertains to Catholicism is at all unreasonable, given that this is a Catholic message board.
 
I don’t think questions of the religion as it pertains to Catholicism is at all unreasonable, given that this is a Catholic message board.
I think it is appropriate for the questioner to ask questions about the topic, which is Universal Unitarianism. Not to ask him how much he knows about Catholicism. It is a Catholic message board, but this is the non-Catholic religions sub-forum. The entire rest of the forum is devoted to Catholic topics.
 
If someone starts an “Ask a Follower of Anubis” thread, it’s only reasonable that the questions should be about Anubis – not about the Anubis follower’s knowledge of Catholicism. That reverses the direction of the stated topic of the thread (and undermines its entire raison d’etre.)
You are late to the party so a bit late to complain about what other people are doing. Change the thread with a pertinent question if you wish. I have tried several times to re-engage the UU’s but to no avail. So I can either un-sub from the thread or keep trying. Might work for you as well. You know the saying if you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem. Try to bring the thread back to the OPs topic. I’ve been trying without success.

Lisa
 
I have a question for a UU! Would it be accurate to say that UUs believe all religions apart from their own to be false (or at least contain error), but also contain truth and UU is the attempt to synthesize and respond to that truth?
 
If you want to start a thread about diverting thread topics than do that. Unfortunately, you have derailed this thread with your complaints. 😃
 
Stop the complaining and return to the OP.
If the “ask a” threads were a problem, they would have been closed long ago.
If you do not wish to participate, avoid the threads.
 
The nature of God did not change. As to the physical manifestation of God, He has encountered His people in a number of forms.

This does not mean His nature has changed.

Lisa
Two of the important sources of the Book of Genesis were written with different views on the nature of God. The “J” source talks about a god called YHWH, and portrays him using anthropomorphic imagery. He is portrayed like a Middle Eastern potentate walking and talking in the Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve, shutting the door of Noah’s Ark, getting angry, and sitting down to lunch with Abraham. It appears that Moses, Joshua, David, and Solomon saw God as Yahweh.

The “E” source talks about a god called Elohim, who scarcely even speaks
but prefers to send an angel as his messenger. This is more like the God of the New Testament.

Both portrayals of God are in Genesis. So which one is the real God?

I suppose later writers can pick and choose the nature of God in their scriptures, perhaps softening the fierce warrior image of Yahweh so that he is more lovable.
 
Two of the important sources of the Book of Genesis were written with different views on the nature of God. The “J” source talks about a god called YHWH, and portrays him using anthropomorphic imagery. He is portrayed like a Middle Eastern potentate walking and talking in the Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve, shutting the door of Noah’s Ark, getting angry, and sitting down to lunch with Abraham. It appears that Moses, Joshua, David, and Solomon saw God as Yahweh.

The “E” source talks about a god called Elohim, who scarcely even speaks
but prefers to send an angel as his messenger. This is more like the God of the New Testament.

Both portrayals of God are in Genesis. So which one is the real God?

I suppose later writers can pick and choose the nature of God in their scriptures, perhaps softening the fierce warrior image of Yahweh so that he is more lovable.
Both are the real God, but the Bible was written in stages as you have just pointed out. People interpreted what they were told about God from the oral tradition. The OT God is really quite an amalgamation of different people’s knowledge of God. That’s why the Bible is such a unique book. We can find truth in it, but not literal truth (usually). It is more like poetry - the stories and songs and proverbs tell us true things about being human and our relationship with God.
 
Two of the important sources of the Book of Genesis were written with different views on the nature of God. The “J” source talks about a god called YHWH, and portrays him using anthropomorphic imagery. He is portrayed like a Middle Eastern potentate walking and talking in the Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve, shutting the door of Noah’s Ark, getting angry, and sitting down to lunch with Abraham. It appears that Moses, Joshua, David, and Solomon saw God as Yahweh.

The “E” source talks about a god called Elohim, who scarcely even speaks
but prefers to send an angel as his messenger. This is more like the God of the New Testament.

Both portrayals of God are in Genesis. So which one is the real God?

I suppose later writers can pick and choose the nature of God in their scriptures, perhaps softening the fierce warrior image of Yahweh so that he is more lovable.
The nature of G-d is not the same as the nature of humans. For one thing, it is more complex, at least to our human understanding. Why cannot the nature of G-d incorporate mercy and justice, loving-kindness and wrath, forgiveness and punishment? Both are present in the Hebrew Bible, and while the loving-kindness of G-d may seem to dominate in the Gospels, I’m sure a careful reading reveals His features of justice, wrath, and punishment all the same. Just as a loving parent can, at times, appear to their child as overly stern, unmerciful, and even unloving, so too G-d may appear to us that way; but He is still loving and behaving toward us with our best interests in mind. In sum, I do not believe there is a dichotomy in the nature of G-d.
 
Both are the real God, but the Bible was written in stages as you have just pointed out. People interpreted what they were told about God from the oral tradition. The OT God is really quite an amalgamation of different people’s knowledge of God. That’s why the Bible is such a unique book. We can find truth in it, but not literal truth (usually). It is more like poetry - the stories and songs and proverbs tell us true things about being human and our relationship with God.
Exactly…it’s Truth but not necessarily facts. Those trying to disprove the validity of the Bible focus on seeming inconsistencies or contradictions without considering that the events in the Bible were related to provide guidance, lessons and understanding rather than a simple historical account.

For example one of the questions was on the death of Job’s children. Many if not most Biblical scholars do not believe Job was a real person. But his story provides truths about faith and trust in God. In contrast David was considered to be a historical figure and a number of the Bible’s stories have been supported by archeological digs. However whether or not each story about David was true, the truths about David’s betrayal of Uriah, his adultery with Bathsheba provide important lessons.

Lisa
 
Exactly…it’s Truth but not necessarily facts. Those trying to disprove the validity of the Bible focus on seeming inconsistencies or contradictions without considering that the events in the Bible were related to provide guidance, lessons and understanding rather than a simple historical account.

For example one of the questions was on the death of Job’s children. Many if not most Biblical scholars do not believe Job was a real person. But his story provides truths about faith and trust in God. In contrast David was considered to be a historical figure and a number of the Bible’s stories have been supported by archeological digs. However whether or not each story about David was true, the truths about David’s betrayal of Uriah, his adultery with Bathsheba provide important lessons.

Lisa
Yes, indeed, there are different forms of literature within the Bible, including didactic, narrative, historical, poetic, metaphorical, figurative, and others. One must be careful in reading the Bible to understand the literary style utilized within the verses and passages of its Books as these styles relate to the meaning of the verses.
 
Exactly…it’s Truth but not necessarily facts. Those trying to disprove the validity of the Bible focus on seeming inconsistencies or contradictions without considering that the events in the Bible were related to provide guidance, lessons and understanding rather than a simple historical account.

For example one of the questions was on the death of Job’s children. Many if not most Biblical scholars do not believe Job was a real person. But his story provides truths about faith and trust in God. In contrast David was considered to be a historical figure and a number of the Bible’s stories have been supported by archeological digs. However whether or not each story about David was true, the truths about David’s betrayal of Uriah, his adultery with Bathsheba provide important lessons.

Lisa
We think alike, my friend!👍
 
Yes, indeed, there are different forms of literature within the Bible, including didactic, narrative, historical, poetic, metaphorical, figurative, and others. One must be careful in reading the Bible to understand the literary style utilized within the verses and passages of its Books as these styles relate to the meaning of the verses.
I’ve heard it’s more proper to call the Bible a library or compendium rather than a “book.” I think using the latter term invites comments about differing styles or sources or seeming inconsistency between various Gospels. If we are to look at the Bible as a library, then these differences can be appreciated for their style or focus or application. For example Song of Songs is often read at weddings as are some chapters in Genesis and of course the frequently used verses in Corinthians about love. But you might look to Micah or Amos or other Prophets for an understanding of justice and our responsibilities toward one another.

Meanwhile, back to the thread 😉 what role does the Bible play in the UU tradition? Given the usual disbelief in a deity, is there still appreciation for the Truth within? Can you be good without God or is it necessary to have a frame of reference to prevent relativism?

Lisa
 
No. I am not saying I know you better than yourself.

But I am saying that it’s very, very probable that you thought you knew the faith that you left, but you really didn’t.

Perhaps I am wrong. But this is what I am doing right now, in response to the possibility that I am wrong about this:

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Would you be able to converse with someone giving you this smug and condescending look? About a personal matter. Did I mention smug and condescending? I would not. Please don’t do that again.

Should I know who this is? My cultural references peeked in the ‘80’s.
Now, Tom, just a follow up to your comment that you made that you were well catechized in the Catholic faith. I want to ask you: if you know the faith so well, can you answer this question: where else in the Mass is the OT referenced?
Edify us! What was the answer to your exceedingly vague question? Since the level of cathechism is so poor, you might need to dumb it down and make it multiple choice.
Do you think it’s possible to be critical of the abysmal job the Catholic Church has done in providing catechesis for her flock, yet also believe that the Catholic Church is the One True Church?

Why do you believe those 2 sentiments are mutually exclusive? Where does this idea come from?
Mutually exclusive? No, it’s not mutually exclusive.
I also am perplexed at how the Catholic Church, supposedly the one true church, does such an abysmal job at teaching it’s flock. Is it the sorry state of humanity? The same humanity that was created by God, and actively guided by the Holy Spirit…? Odd.

I asked LisaA this before: do you think it’s possible to be well-cathechized, and open-minded, and not become Catholic? I say yes. I don’t recall your answer.
 
You are late to the party so a bit late to complain about what other people are doing. Change the thread with a pertinent question if you wish. I have tried several times to re-engage the UU’s but to no avail. So I can either un-sub from the thread or keep trying. Might work for you as well. You know the saying if you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem. Try to bring the thread back to the OPs topic. I’ve been trying without success.

Lisa
The man’s calmly asking some questions about policy, attempting to ensure civility, and you open up a can of snark on him? “Part of the problem”, what problem ? Just 'cos he’s “late” doesn’t mean he shouldn’t speak his mind.

Come on, he’s got a cool avatar too.🙂
 
Both are the real God, but the Bible was written in stages as you have just pointed out. People interpreted what they were told about God from the oral tradition. The OT God is really quite an amalgamation of different people’s knowledge of God. That’s why the Bible is such a unique book. We can find truth in it, but not literal truth (usually). It is more like poetry - the stories and songs and proverbs tell us true things about being human and our relationship with God.
Exactly…it’s Truth but not necessarily facts. Those trying to disprove the validity of the Bible focus on seeming inconsistencies or contradictions without considering that the events in the Bible were related to provide guidance, lessons and understanding rather than a simple historical account.

For example one of the questions was on the death of Job’s children. Many if not most Biblical scholars do not believe Job was a real person. But his story provides truths about faith and trust in God. In contrast David was considered to be a historical figure and a number of the Bible’s stories have been supported by archeological digs. However whether or not each story about David was true, the truths about David’s betrayal of Uriah, his adultery with Bathsheba provide important lessons.

Lisa
I wouldn’t disagree with either post…
I’ve heard it’s more proper to call the Bible a library or compendium rather than a “book.” I think using the latter term invites comments about differing styles or sources or seeming inconsistency between various Gospels. If we are to look at the Bible as a library, then these differences can be appreciated for their style or focus or application. For example Song of Songs is often read at weddings as are some chapters in Genesis and of course the frequently used verses in Corinthians about love. But you might look to Micah or Amos or other Prophets for an understanding of justice and our responsibilities toward one another.

Meanwhile, back to the thread 😉 what role does the Bible play in the UU tradition? Given the usual disbelief in a deity, is there still appreciation for the Truth within? Can you be good without God or is it necessary to have a frame of reference to prevent relativism?

Lisa
Yes, there is appreciation for the truth within the Bible. We read from it in services. The difference is that we also acknowledge truth from other works as well, and the Bible does not stand alone above all others.

Do you think the search for truth (through the Bible and the Church) will guide us always to one answer to a moral question? I posted this in #897:
However, as with many things, the devil is in the details. Transferring absolute truth (in the science sense) to moral teaching is tougher. Quick example: exactly where is the threshold established in allowing killing. During a time of war, some acts may put civilians in harm’s way. Is that allowable? Isn’t it up to me to be the final arbiter as to what acts I will carry out? Not the state. Not the church.

Do you think that Absolute Truth dictates a single answer to any moral quandary? I do not think that absolute truth gives us only one correct answer.

One more example. Two families are dealing with end-of-life concerns for a parent. (My family went through this). Both families pray, consult with their priest, yet come up with different actions: one carries out every possible measure to prolong life, even though that life is struggling. The other family decides on no extraordinary measures, administering as much pain-relief as possible. Aren’t both defensible?
 
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