Ask about Catholic Charismatic Renewal

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Dorothy_Vining said:
What is wrong with this picture is that some priests are deperately in need of conversion–they aren’t even Christian, much less Catholic. Witness the recent priestly scandals. Witness the priests who are afraid to utter a pro-life word. They really need a little fire in their belly.
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I’ll break a rule of mine and pray that you understand the terrible calumny you’ve made against priests. In my community, they are tremendously overworked and stretched very thin. Your pious mutterings are nothing compared to the sacramental grace confered by ordination, which is undiminished by any fault in the priest, real or imaginary.

The rule? Montfortean consecration binds one to place the whole of one’s spiritual life in Mary’s hands. She directs all grace according to her preference. My only prayer is in gratitude for being her client – which brings us back to the Mass. Eucharist means, literally, “thanksgiving”. There is no higher purpose in heaven or on earth. This fullfils God’s will perfectly. When Mary determines the flow of grace and confers the gifts, God’s will has been fullfilled. Can I know the economy of grace better than the Mother of God? What possible call do I have asserting so-and-so needs any particular grace? Neo-pentecostal theology falls completely flat for anyone who understands this consecration. In fact, neo-pentecostal theology perishes entirely beneath the cross:
Matthew 16
22 And Peter taking him, began to rebuke him, saying: Lord, be it far from thee, this shall not be unto thee. 23 Who turning, said to Peter: Go behind me, Satan, thou art a scandal unto me: because thou savourest not the things that are of God, but the things that are of men. 24 Then Jesus said to his disciples: If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 25 For he that will save his life, shall lose it: and he that shall lose his life for my sake, shall find it.
 
I was not going to reply to these last two posts (above) from the johns but someone changed my
mind.–God or Satan? You decide.

Where are people being led to the Lord in these latter days?

There has been an explosive growth of Christianity in South Korea where Paul Yonggi Cho, a
charismatic, heads the largest church in the world in Seoul. One-third of South Koreans are now
Christian. kimsoft.com/1997/xhist.htm

The fastest growth of Christianity is taking place in Africa, with 390 million Christians, more
than three times that of 35 years ago, so that now Christianity is the faith of the majority. In the
20th century, Africa went from a Catholic population of 1.9 million in 1900 to 130 million in
2000. Satellite TV has been very influential in Africa along with the ministries of various
evangelists such as Benny Hinn and Reinhard Bonnke (both charismatics). Benny Hinn has led
tens of thousands to the Lord in India and around the world.
chi.gospelcom.net/GLIMPSEF/Glimpses/glmps151.shtml

God.TV was started by Wendy and Rory Alec (both charismatics) in 1995 and now broadcasts
from the foot of Mt. Zion in Israel to over 400 million people 24/7 (on channel 365 in the US).
Going to more than 200 countries and territories, they are literally broadcasting to the ends of the
earth. us.god.tv/Group/Group.aspx?id=1000009054

The Christian Broadcasting Network (CBN.com) leads people to the Lordship of Jesus
internationally CBN was started by Pat Robertson, a charismatic, in 1960, with $70 and the
leading of the Holy Spirit.

Another TV network, EWTN, now international, was brought into being by a simple tongue-
speaking nun, Mother Angelica. I’ll bet that even at 84 she still has that twinkle as she looks
back on what God has done in her life!

In a country where universities with Catholic origins harbor dissident priests, coddle
homosexuals, invite fallen-away Catholics to speak, and showcase such things as Vagina
Monologues, we are blessed with Franciscan University (Steubenville) under the leadership of
Father Michael Scanlon, a charismatic, which has grown dramatically.

I see the working of the Holy Spirit in these people, even those who are not yet Catholic. They
are doing amazing things and they claim they did it with the help of God’s Spirit. Before His
death, Christ prayed, “That they may all be one, as you, Father, are in me and I in you….” (John
17: 21). I pray we are headed toward a time when all may be one in the Spirit. It will surely
happen–because Jesus prayed for it!

Once again, the invitation:
Is God your Father? Is Jesus Christ your Lord and Savior? Then why not ask Jesus to give you
more of His Spirit with an openness to any gifts he has for you? What could you lose except
your resistance to the will of God for you? What could you gain? You might become one of those CHARISMATICS!!!
 
Dorothy_Vining said:
Once again, the invitation:
Is God your Father? Is Jesus Christ your Lord and Savior? Then why not ask Jesus to give you
more of His Spirit with an openness to any gifts he has for you? What could you lose except
your resistance to the will of God for you? What could you gain? You might become one of those CHARISMATICS!!!
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Yet more of the non-Charismatics are second class Christians at best line…
 
There is no greater fulness of the spirit of Jesus than through His Body, Blood, soul and Divinity than the Holy Eucharist.

IT is the Bread of Life. Pat Robinson CANNOT bring you Jesus in the Eucharist.
 
Dear Cyberwolf - Welcome.
Yet more of the non-Charismatics are second class Christians at best line.
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Wrong. But this much I know. Just being born into the Catholic Church doesn’t make you a Catholic any more than being born in the oven makes a mouse a muffin. At some point even born-Catholics have to CHOOSE to do the will of the father and CHOOSE to follow Jesus.

I also know that there are non-Catholics that are more godly than Catholics, and vice-versa.

And I know from experience that when nominal Catholics eventually make the choices mentioned, they get a whole lot more Holy Spirit. They come alive. What’s to lose?

“The charismatic movement is obviously God’s answer to Pope John XXIII’s prayer for a new Pentecost. Popes Paul VI and John Paul II both blessed it but said that it will fulfill its purpose only when, like the early liturgical movement, it ceases to have a separate identity of its own and is absorbed into the whole Church. In other words, every Catholic should be a charismatic, baptized in the Spirit, empowered like the apostles.”

–Catholic apologist and philosopher Peter Kreeft (1988)
 
Dorothy_Vining said:
Wrong. But this much I know. Just being born into the Catholic Church doesn’t make you a Catholic any more than being born in the oven makes a mouse a muffin. At some point even born-Catholics have to CHOOSE to do the will of the father and CHOOSE to follow Jesus.

I also know that there are non-Catholics that are more godly than Catholics, and vice-versa.

And I know from experience that when nominal Catholics eventually make the choices mentioned, they get a whole lot more Holy Spirit. They come alive. What’s to lose?

“The charismatic movement is obviously God’s answer to Pope John XXIII’s prayer for a new Pentecost. Popes Paul VI and John Paul II both blessed it but said that it will fulfill its purpose only when, like the early liturgical movement, it ceases to have a separate identity of its own and is absorbed into the whole Church. In other words, every Catholic should be a charismatic, baptized in the Spirit, empowered like the apostles.”

–Catholic apologist and philosopher Peter Kreeft (1988)
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Nice try BUT!
  1. I’m a convert not a born Catholic.
  2. You only didn’t address what I said. You seem to state that not only are Non-Charismatics second class. There not even Catholic.
  3. A Catholic can have the gifts of the Holy Spirit and be charismatic (little c) and not be a Charismatic (big C) Catholic.
  4. People keep forgetting in all those declarations of support from the upper levels of the Church that caution was also advised.
 
There is no greater fulness of the spirit of Jesus than through His Body, Blood, soul and Divinity than the Holy Eucharist.
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IT is the Bread of Life. Pat Robinson CANNOT bring you Jesus in the Eucharist.
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Johnn - I agree. Though it’s Pat Robertson, not Robinson.) Let us pray that non-Catholic charismatics are on their way to becoming Catholic charismatics. Let us be thankful that they are Christians and, hopefully, on the Road to Rome. If you’ve read the Surprised by Truth books, you know that life’s a journey–we can always get more truth, surrender more fully, and become more spirit-filled. As you know, many people are drawn to the Catholic Church because of the Eucharist.

Ask and you shall receive.
 
yessisan said:
Sorry to be so ignorant about these things, but I am a bit skeptical of things I haven’t really seen or experienced, such as witches and such… to me, the same goes with some of the beliefs of the Charismatics.

3-4 wks ago, I was at a chapel (it wasn’t a Mass or anything like it, it was just an informal meeting) and married couples were blessed with holy oil put on our hands. As soon as this certain couple came up and their hands were touched the wife fainted and fell onto the pews. Her DH caught her and he just looked embarrased and said “Don’t worry, this happens all the time, give her a few secaonds and she’ll wake up”.

In moments like these, how does one know if it’s really a thing done by the Holy Spirit, and how does one know when it’s an emergency or just a fake thing to bring people’s attention? This same woman once, said she believes to have the gift of tonges… I don’t really understand these things.

Can someone explain these things to me? Please?
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Please find in your Bible 1 Corinthians chapters 12, 13,&14
 
JPII2

I quoted Jesus’ last prayer, “That they all may be one.”

You replied:
Funny, Satan says that same prayer.
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I have to wonder why you prefer the prayer of Satan to that of Jesus. (I must also ask the source of that Satanic quote?)

What does it matter what Satan says? He is a liar and a deceiver from the beginning. He does not want God’s people to be one. He wants to divide and conquer!

I should think if take any of scripture seriously, it would be the last prayer of Jesus. Most people about to die are deadly serious.
 
Is the “Catholic Pentecostal/Charismatic” group ecumenical?

Are various sects in attendance?
 
The Catholic Charismatic groups I am familliar with are mostly Catholic but anyone is welcome. (you know, :“come and see.” )
 
Thank you for the url, JPTT.

Confirmation is a SACRAMENT which invites the Holy Spirit into our hearts and souls ALL the days of our lives.

No “meetings” can eclipse the Sacrament. I believe anyone of us who have received the sacrament of Confirmation is a possible prophet or missionary if the Holy Spirit so chooses.

If the Holy Spirit chooses someone to be able to speak in tongues that person designated would come from the pool of the Confirmed. It would come in a flash for reasons to do God’s work.l

All the other “gifts” of the Holy Spirit can be bestowed on anyone at anytime…it is the choice of God.

Just like the apostles: Jesus CHOSE them; they did not apply for it. God knows each and every one of us; nothing is hidden from Him.
 
johnn - I will get back to your other points after mass. Just wanted to include part of a private message about this thread about a personal experience of a reader:

"My husband has been in the renewal for over 32 yrs. He and I just married 4 yrs ago and that was how I became involved. I was introduced to the renewal about 10 yrs ago but wasn’t interested in it. I was really just getting to know my faith because I had been away from the church for so long.

It wasn’t until about 6 wks ago that I started praying in tongues. It was so beautiful that I was moved to tears. I recieved the gift of prophecy that night as well. I know that the gifts are genuine because I have actually experienced it. "

Hang in there. I’ll be back.
 
Dorothy_Vining said:
Just wanted to include part of a private message about this thread about a personal experience of a reader: …

It wasn’t until about 6 wks ago that I started praying in tongues. It was so beautiful that I was moved to tears. I recieved the gift of prophecy that night as well. I know that the gifts are genuine because I have actually experienced it. "
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