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[Angelos]

Salaam/peace

Lord could be leader / teacher etc. Does this verse mean Mary (p) is also mother of the father ?

The same word (Lord) is also used several times throughout the Koran. How do you know when it means leader/teacher instead of God?

As for your irrelevant question, Mary is not the mother of the Father since she gave birth (human nature) to the Logos (the Son). The phrase “mother of God” is not a literal translation of the Greek equivalent “Theotokos”, which means “giving birth to God” (referring to Jesus’ physical/biological nativity in accordance with the Incarnation).

 

[Angelos]

Salaam/peace

discussion will be off topic here. Sadly some Christians browse anti Islamic sites & flood any thread on Islam .

Hopefully Muslims won’t follow that bad example & will leave this & other threads for discussions on related issues only.

Thanks for evading my relevant question.

It is not fair of you to pretend to be a follower of pertinence while jumping from one topic to another.

 

[SimonArizona]

Salaam/peace





pl. explain more.

St. Paul- “The Church, the Pillar and Foundation of the Truth.”

 

[ryanoneil]

Salaam/peace
Lord could be leader / teacher etc. Does this verse mean Mary (p) is also mother of the father ?

Elizabeth used the Hebrew word “Adonai” which means Lord God.

No. Mary is not mother of the father.

Peace

 

[Psalter]

Salaam/peace

those who worship Jesus (p) as God , believe that father & son were always there at a same time , may be Jesus (p) will deny them ???

Umm, NO…maybe those infidels (i.e. Muslims) who deny that Jesus Christ is God, Lord of the Universe and Savior of the world, instead accepting a false prophet who had sex with 9-year old children and drank camel urine, will be denied by HIM at the day of judgment.

 

[coleraine]

Umm, NO…maybe those infidels (i.e. Muslims) who deny that Jesus Christ is God, Lord of the Universe and Savior of the world, instead accepting a false prophet who had sex with 9-year old children and drank camel urine, will be denied by HIM at the day of judgment.

I agree with you. Although shocking, these things are true. There is actualy a book out about his child bride. Lets just hope your comments arent taken to offensive to those who honor the “prophet”. wouldnt want to see you get banned.

p.s. it realy isnt worth it arguing with her. she knows more about worming out of questions than she knows about islam…and the sad part is that im not joking.

 

[coleraine]

Thanks for evading my relevant question.

It is not fair of you to pretend to be a follower of pertinence while jumping from one topic to another.

Muslim woman…i agree with him 100% what is you goal on here anyway? everyone knows that you arent a real source of information. you good well and know that i know that not all muslims want to carry out jihad, to forcefully convert people. many are peacefull. But there are those who take the Koran to heart when it commands jihad, and with your refusal to answer the most simple of questions…its hard to tell the difference. we have questions we need answered, but if you cant do that, you should leave.

 

[coleraine]

Actually, I don’t think it would be accurate to call Mary the Mother of the Trinity, but only the Mother of God the Son, Jesus Christ. We often say that Mary is the daughter of God, the Father, the Mother of God, the Son, and the Spouse of God, the Holy Spirit.

I know, i was just trying to explain it. Which is hard to do! i guess thats why it called a mystery. well duh…but you know.

 

[coleraine]

Salaam/peace

Christians believe Bible is words of God . Regarding Bible , neither Jesus nor Mother Mary ( pbut ) taught anyone to call Mary (p) mother of the Trinity of mother of God.

So , must u follow your bible or trust in men made explanations ?

We use tradition of those who have had god work through them, and scripture. I think it is rather unfair that you say we follow man made things, when your great “prophet” was so so imperfect. no one is imperfect, but im pretty sure that none of our prohpets are known to be involved in adultry, or haiving more than one wife. make sure your hands are clean before you accuse other people.

 

[coleraine]

We use tradition of those who have had god work through them, and scripture. I think it is rather unfair that you say we follow man made things, when your great “prophet” was so so imperfect. no one is perfect, but im pretty sure that none of our prohpets are known to be involved in adultry, or haiving more than one wife. make sure your hands are clean before you accuse other people.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace

I agree with you. .

Jews don’t worship Jesus (p) as God . So , on the lasy day , Jesus (p) will be angry with jews ? Or somehow they will be forgiven & Jesus (p) will throw Muslims only in fire ?

 

[LDNCatholic]

Salaam/peace

Jews don’t worship Jesus (p) as God . So , on the lasy day , Jesus (p) will be angry with jews ? Or somehow they will be forgiven & Jesus (p) will throw Muslims only in fire ?

Only God knows who will be saved and who will be damned.

 

[coleraine]

Salaam/peace

Jews don’t worship Jesus (p) as God . So , on the lasy day , Jesus (p) will be angry with jews ? Or somehow they will be forgiven & Jesus (p) will throw Muslims only in fire ?

Well here you go again. It seems to me (seriously) that you can’t see the difference between catholicism and protestantism. We don’t claim to know who is in heaven or who is in hell. we live the way jesus taught us to, and trust in his divine mercy and judgment.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

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huh…in this thread a Catholic wrote : Umm, NO**…maybe those infidels (i.e. Muslims)** who deny that Jesus Christ is God, Lord of the Universe and Savior of the world, instead accepting a false prophet who had sex with 9-year old children and drank camel urine, will be denied by HIM at the day of judgment.

anther Cathloc answered : I agree with u .

U dont have problem with this kind of hateful posts but U find it disturbing when i asked if Jesus (p) will throw only Muslims in hell or will do the same with jews ? May be , i should have added hindus , buddhists etc.

 

[sambos671]

Salaam/peace

huh…in this thread a Catholic wrote : Umm, NO**…maybe those infidels (i.e. Muslims)** who deny that Jesus Christ is God, Lord of the Universe and Savior of the world, instead accepting a false prophet who had sex with 9-year old children and drank camel urine, will be denied by HIM at the day of judgment.

anther Cathloc answered : I agree with u .

U dont have problem with this kind of hateful posts but U find it disturbing when i asked if Jesus (p) will throw only Muslims in hell or will do the same with jews ? May be , i should have added hindus , buddhists etc.

Believe me there is enough hatred from all religions to go around several times. But Jesus didn’t teach this and neither does the RCC.

 

[coleraine]

Salaam/peace

huh…in this thread a Catholic wrote : Umm, NO**…maybe those infidels (i.e. Muslims)** who deny that Jesus Christ is God, Lord of the Universe and Savior of the world, instead accepting a false prophet who had sex with 9-year old children and drank camel urine, will be denied by HIM at the day of judgment.

anther Cathloc answered : I agree with u .

U dont have problem with this kind of hateful posts but U find it disturbing when i asked if Jesus (p) will throw only Muslims in hell or will do the same with jews ? May be , i should have added hindus , buddhists etc.

The fact that your great prophet had a child bride actually has some backing. its not like that da-vinci code stuff. it is believed and supported by evidence that he was a palygimist. i may have tried to mediate between you two, to say that maybe he was being to harsh, and should have put it in different wording, but with the same info. however, i lost all respect for you after you suggested that our own government was behind 9/11. also, stop playing around. stop acting shocked, and hurt. actually try to renounce claims made against Islam.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace

The fact that your great prophet had a child bride …

what’s the minimum age of marriage for Christian men & women regarding bible ?

Also , do u agree with this comment ? A Catholic wrote in other thread that : it is demonstrable from Catholic teaching that there will be those in paradise who identified themselves as Catholic/Protestant/Muslim/Hindu etc

 

[guanophore]

I’ve been telling everyone for the last several months that Roman Catholics always misrepresent Phillipians 2:12. This is a standard verse for the Roman Catholic Christian. I wonder why? Do you not want to give God all the glory for saving wretched sinners like me and you?

You seem to erroneously believe that Catholics think we can work out salvation apart from the grace of God.

Perhaps it would be more clear to add the second half of the verse?

" Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; 13 for God is at work in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure."
Phil 2:12-13

We are co-workers with God. By His grace, we join our will with His in working out in us, His good pleasure. It is by His grace that we participate in this great gift.

Catholic usage of Pil 2:12

Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling,

Philippians 2:12-13 in proper context, giving God all the glory for the entire process of salvation!
QUOTE]

The fact that the glory goes to God does not equate to monergism. We are partakers of His grace, and He has empowered us to will and to do His good pleasure.

 

[guanophore]

And what of it? I’m fine with the second usage, aren’t you church militant? God does work in us. If we choose to let him. Those who are being obedient chose god, and he was working through them because they chose to let them. So whats the big deal? And what of my other verses, do we misuse them as well? And may i ask you again…what of your SS? Your literal understanding of the bible? Are the writers of these verses speaking in riddles?

No, I don’t think Reformed is church militant. He probably never heard of the term. He is a monergist, and therefore, seems to believe that we do not do anything to cooperate with the grace of God. It is “all God”.

 

[guanophore]

Okay, so God only works through you if you let him. Do you believe you are sovereign over God?

No. God, in His sovereignty has decreed that mankind choose.

Why does the clay try to question the potter in what He can and cannot do with the clay. We are but dust.

Obedience is not “questioning the potter”. This passage is an expression of rebellion against God. To participate in His plan does not require audacity, as you seem to think. Though we were but dust, He has raised us up with Him, and joined us with Him, seated at the right hand of the Father. We are no longer dust, but the glorious adoption of the Father, made into sons and daughters, beloved of God, the apple of His eye and the cause for rejoicing in heaven.

It seems Roman Catholicism teaches the sovereignity of man as compared to the complete sovereignity of God.

We do not see the sovereignity of God as incompatible with the participation of man. God has ordained that we should be partakers of His divine glory. This is not something that we earn, or do for ourselves. He has transferred us from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of light, made us into priests, prophets, and kings. this is His doing, not ours. We get to participate.

Sounds semi-pelagism to me, but what do I know? God does whatever pleases Him, regardless of the actions of men. That is why God is the Almighty God; He does not need your permission.

You have been wrongly informed about what the Apostles taught, therefore, what you “know” is deficient. However, I agree that God does whatever pleases HIm. He chooses to pend HImself on the actions of men. This is His perogative. He tolerates disobedience, and it is His good pleasure to give the kingdom to the obedient.

19 You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— Rom 9

This description is about those who have refused to obey the gospel.

It seems to me that you deny the glorious riches that He has made known to us in the beloved, the immeasurable power that is at work in us who believe. It works because we embrace it. This is how He ordained things.