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swariffin
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They are sure because Muhammad said so. How do you know that Muhammad was true, the answer is Quran said so.
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swariffin
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Are you ready to put aside Quran and whatever Muhammad had brainwashed you? If you are not, I don’t think that even God would be able to convince you.
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swariffin
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You are correct brother. They do have different terminology compare to ours. I raised this question because MW claimed that the Christian regard Salomon as a prophet. As far as i am a Christian, I never hear that Salomon was considered as a prophet.
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swariffin
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They claim that Quran is verifyable through Isnadology.
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swariffin
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Quran can have 6, 60, 600, 6000, 6000000 verses for you to remember. My congratulation if you can memorize all. My question is what comes out of that memory of 6000 verses???
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swariffin
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My question is what miracle that Muhammad did?http://theislampath.com/smf/Smileys/default/salam.gif
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CatholicRevert1: Jesus, capable of making water into wine
Christians believe first miracle of Jesus (p) is turn wine in to water. Muslims believe his first miracle is to defend his innocent mom when people accused her of having a baby before marriage. Jesus (p) as a newborn baby declared that I am a servant of God Almighty . After hearing that people believe he is a miracle baby.
Muslims also believe some others Prophets (pbut) also performed miracles like Moses (p) divided sea , Muhammed (p) divided moon , went to heaven / upper sky to meet God etc . All those miracles were performed by the will & power of God. Miracles did not make any Prophet son of God or God Himself.
anything contradicts with holy Quran is not acceptable to us. If Bible says Jesus (p) is the last one God sent , then we won’t accept it . We don’t have problem with these verses that during the time of Jesus (p) , people were looking for ’ That Prophet '. We love to say that Muhammed (p) is That Prophet predicted in OT & NT
Anyway , it is not important for Muslims what today’s Bible says about prophecy , it’s important for us what Quran says about the matter.
And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Torah (which came) before me, and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad.
But when it came to them with clear signs, they said, “This is evident sorcery.” As-Saff 61:6
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swariffin
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They “think” that Muhammad was predicted in both the OT and NT. They can have whatever they think, and I won’t argue them. Next, they will dig whatever holybook from whatever religion, and take anything that would fit Muhammad in regardless of context, flow of logic and the circumstances.Our communities have a lot more in common than many of us realize. This is our reason for rejecting Islam, Muhammad, and hence the Qur’an: It contradicts our scripture in so very many ways!
And I love to say that the middle east ought to be considered Christian territory, but I bet that the majority of the area’s residents don’t see it…
It is too bad that merely wanting something to be true is not enough to make it so, isn’t it?
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What are your proofs outside Quran that Quran is authentic documents of Mohammed’s teachings and Mohammed was accurate in his narration to his followers and his followers were accurate in jotting down Mohammed’s account? Mohammed had no way of verifying the accuracy of his followers’ writings considering that he was illiterate.
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Thought I would mention - if you are a YouTube user look up Muslims4Jesus - they have amazing conversion stories. People have been healed. One guy in Nigeria was en-route to attack and burn down a Church during a service. When approaching the Church God disabled him. He actually held him down and he could not move - God spoke to him and told him it was wrong. Now this man who hated Christianity that much is Christian! Wonderful story! So it can happen and hopefully millions more will come to Christ soon (it is happening we just need to keep praying that he will turn their hearts around).
Two years ago 3 Muslim women came to a service on Sunday evening (wearing hijabs). Within a few months 5 more came. At this stage it was only the women. After another few weeks the hijabs came off during the services but due to fear that put them back on before leaving. Now their entire families are in Church. One of the husbands got up and did a short talk in Church saying about their past and how he and his wife had 8 children to be soldiers for Islam and how glad they are that their children can now be children. It reduced us all to tears. Prayer is working!
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sedonaman
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Looks like you have fallen into a trap.
“The conclusion [that most non-Muslims would like to believe] is that Islam is not anyone’s enemy, but radical Islam is a threat to everyone. … Everything [that non-Muslims believe] is based upon what some Muslims have told them. In a court of law, such ‘proof’ is called hearsay. In short, the argument can be summarized by: ‘I know some good Muslims; hence, Islam is good.’
If this is the argument you have accepted, you have fallen into the trap.
“The background for my argument is the doctrine of Islam. Every Muslim, without exception, will tell you that the Koran is the perfect, complete, universal word of the only god, Allah. The Koran insists that Mohammad is the perfect model and pattern of behavior for all Muslims."
[As always, we have to define our terms because East and West do not think alike. Also bear in mind here that the threat is not religious Islam but **political Islam.]
“What is a ‘moderate Muslim?’ What defines moderate? There are two references for moderation. [To us raised in the Christian tradition, the reference is ‘nice’.] A moderate [Muslim] is a nice person who won’t harm a kafir (an unbeliever).
“But we are talking about a Muslim, so the only valid reference for moderation is Islam, not ‘nice’. It is the model of Mohammad who determines what Islam is. So if a Muslim imitates the Sunna of Mohammad, then he is moderate. Sunna is the words and deeds of Mohammad, the perfect pattern for all Muslims. The Koran says over 70 times that all Muslims are to imitate Mohammad in every detail of their life. … What does ‘radical’ mean? Killing, robbing, enslaving, assassination, torture, deceiving, jihad? As long as those behaviors occur with the kafirs on the receiving end, they are all acts that were performed by Mohammad. If Mohammad did them, then they are not radical. Mohammad defines the middle of the road – normative behavior.”
To answer your question as to its roots, to us Christians it would have to be when Mohammad first raided camel caravans.
Ref.: politicalislam.com/blog/refuting-counter-terrorism-dhimmitude [Emphasis added.]
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Parabol
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What happened to free will?
Edit: I have a real question
[16:89] ‘The day will come when we will raise from every community a witness from among them, and bring you as the witness of these people. We have revealed to you this book to provide explanations for everything, and guidance, and mercy, and good news for the submitters.’
Are hadiths all contained in the Qur’an? If not, what’s the explanation?
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Muslim_Woman
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no one can change/ add /delete any word of Quran. Because millions people have Quran in memory & they will catch the corruption at once. Followers of other holy books did not bother to memorise their holy book in memory. So , it’s easy for anyone to edit the text.
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Eucharisted
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The Qu’ran can’t be changed, yet Sister Amy admitted there was a change (mistranslation?) in the Qu’ran, surah 5:32.
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YUSUFALI: On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
PICKTHAL: For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. Our messengers came unto them of old with clear proofs (of Allah’s Sovereignty), but afterwards lo! many of them became prodigals in the earth.
SHAKIR: For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our messengers came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land.
So is the Qu’ran unchangable at all times in every language, or just Arabic? If it’s the former, Islam has a problem; if it’s the latter, then it’s just a problem with the translator who used “just cause”.
The surah in question - the discussion is going on here in case you want to join in - is this one:Sister_Amy said:
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YUSUFALI: On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
PICKTHAL: For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. Our messengers came unto them of old with clear proofs (of Allah’s Sovereignty), but afterwards lo! many of them became prodigals in the earth.
SHAKIR: For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our messengers came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land.
So is the Qu’ran unchangable at all times in every language, or just Arabic? If it’s the former, Islam has a problem; if it’s the latter, then it’s just a problem with the translator who used “just cause”.
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jakasaki
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**Since I didn’t quite know the word “injeel”, I thought I would look it up and post it for reference here. I just keep learning something new each day! Yeah!!! **
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Muslim_Woman
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you are talking about English translation. Quran is in Arabic that came to Prophet Muhammed (p) through Angel Gabriel/ Jibril (p).
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Eucharisted
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Yes, I know. I’ve read the Qu’ran. I want to know if the Qu’ran is incorruptible in every language or just in Arabic?
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sedonaman
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I have asked this question of our Muslim posters here but have yet to receive an answer as to whether or not Muslims believe that Allah gave them free will.
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Eucharisted
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They generally don’t like to answer questions that have answered many times before, which is understandable.
The answer to your question is found here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predestination_in_Islam
Google is my friend
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Muslim_Woman
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Muslims believe angels don’t but human & Jinn have free will.
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Muslims are very few here . Also , lots of anti Islamic posts are flooded in the forum . So , it’s hard for us to read & ans all the posts . Sorry for not noticing your question earlier.
Muslims believe angels don’t but human & Jinn have free will.
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Muslim_Woman
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Translation is not Quran . God promisted to safe Quran from corruptoin. Don’t know any promise of God to save translation , too. Translators are human being . So , it’s possible for them to make mistakes. But it’s easy to find it out as Quran is intact all over the world & Quran is in heart of millions . Also , each adult Muslims know at least few chapters of Quran.
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