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Booklover
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I agree! The internet is great for looking up info! I’ve become an internet “junkie”!
We’ll have to wait and see what they say!
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R_not
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Actually, it is only true if they want it to be true - at the time. Especially when they quote us the weaker, abrogated surahs - they conveniently leave out the stronger, Medina surahs are applicable in our lands - dar al harb. they ‘forget’ to mention a lot of things and that is very convenient for them. By confusing islam people think they are leading in a truthful way - which isn’t true either since deception is a part of islam!
intentionally deceiving us to know the koran: 6:25 6:110 17:45-76
When I first started reading this thread I noticed that the muslims on these threads still using the weaker, Meccan surahs. And if those were true - if they truly believed in them - then they wouldn’t be distorting what is going on in Israel. They wouldn’t be calling a Church in turkey ‘occupying their muslim lands’ (see my previous post on that)
They show absolutely no tolerance, no peacefulness - not even the so called ‘peaceful’ or some call them ‘moderate’ ones.
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R_not
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Does Exercising Religious Freedom Include:
The Right to Beat Your Wife?
Wearing Full Burka, Niqab
Female Genital Mutilation
Polygamy
Killing of Unbelievers
Segregation of the Sexes
Stoning for Adultery
Public Flogging for Drunkenness
Amputation of Limps for Stealing
or none of the above
or all of the above?
Now, keep in mind that when we hear that muslims are persecuted in our lands because they cannot practice their religion - it is because ‘all of the above’ are prohibited to them. well, some practice them anyway - but if they are caught there is a problem. they have also been known to bring their slaves here when they migrate here and a few have been put into prison for slavery (Colorado and California have a couple of cases regarding that).
The Right to Beat Your Wife?
Wearing Full Burka, Niqab
Female Genital Mutilation
Polygamy
Killing of Unbelievers
Segregation of the Sexes
Stoning for Adultery
Public Flogging for Drunkenness
Amputation of Limps for Stealing
or none of the above
or all of the above?
Now, keep in mind that when we hear that muslims are persecuted in our lands because they cannot practice their religion - it is because ‘all of the above’ are prohibited to them. well, some practice them anyway - but if they are caught there is a problem. they have also been known to bring their slaves here when they migrate here and a few have been put into prison for slavery (Colorado and California have a couple of cases regarding that).
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sedonaman
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Since you brought up Mary again, let me throw another hand grenade.
“1 And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. 2 And being with child, she cried travailing in birth: and was in pain to be delivered. 3 And there was seen another sign in heaven. And behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns and on his heads seven diadems. 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to be delivered: that, when she should be delivered, he might devour her son. 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with an iron rod. And her son was taken up to God and to his throne. 6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she had a place prepared by God, that there they should feed her, a thousand two hundred sixty days.” Book of Revelation, Chapter 12.
Some interpret this as Mary giving birth to Jesus, but it is probably not correct because Revelation is about future events, and Christ has already been born. A better interpretation is as follows: The woman symbolizes the Church of God, and the child is a future pope, and his “delivery” is his difficult election. The Church is clothed in the “sun” of Truth; the moon of Islam is under her feet – Muslims eventually will all be converted to Christianity.
Sorry. Christ wins; Mohammed loses.
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sedonaman
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[Have you read, "The Decrees of Islam, Parts 1 - 4
by Dr Radhasyam Brahmachari ?]
islam-watch.org/Brahmachari/Decrees-of-Islam-1.htm
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R_not
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No, but thanks - I will.
[Have you read, "The Decrees of Islam, Parts 1 - 4
by Dr Radhasyam Brahmachari ?]
islam-watch.org/Brahmachari/Decrees-of-Islam-1.htm
hhhmmm, just the first paragraph goes into the deception that the Hindus are having! And it is helped along by the secularists. Very interesting!!
It is the same thing that happened in Lebanon (Brigette Gabrielle goes into it in her book, Because They Hate), in Europe, the USA, Canada, Australia - and elsewhere.
It seems to be ‘hitting home’ what it is saying.
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R_not
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Jesus stopped a stoning and mohammed ordered so many stonings that it is hard to count them all!
mohammed ordered stoning to death - many go into sexual conduct - it seems that mohammed didn’t want himself stoned!!! mohammed would say 'allah said it was ok for him to do things like take a child, or his own stepson’s wife, or women whose husbands and other of their men that he killed or had killed as slaves that he and his band of followers raped, etc. Now, it seems that he found stoning ok for others - but not himself.
And this is the guy that is held up as the ‘perfect man’.
mohammed ordered stoning to death - many go into sexual conduct - it seems that mohammed didn’t want himself stoned!!! mohammed would say 'allah said it was ok for him to do things like take a child, or his own stepson’s wife, or women whose husbands and other of their men that he killed or had killed as slaves that he and his band of followers raped, etc. Now, it seems that he found stoning ok for others - but not himself.
And this is the guy that is held up as the ‘perfect man’.
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Salaam/peace
Say: We believe in God, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the Prophets from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another. (Aal `Imran 3:84)
Salaam/peace
both are slaves & Prophets of God Almighty. Muslims respect all the Prophets , not only Muhammed (p).
Say: We believe in God, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the Prophets from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another. (Aal `Imran 3:84)
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jakasaki
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No, Jesus was **not **a slave of God - never!
Is this why some muslim protests carry signs saying that “Jesus is the slave of allah”…?
Jesus Christ is not the slave of allah, never was never will be.
Best Blessings to all,
Pam
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Salaam/peace
Quran reciting competition from memory is held each year . If u browse u will see how kids of 5 years old , middle aged & old persons are taking part in these competitions.
The forum has some Arab Christians. U can request them to go to any mosque & check if Imam ( who leads the prayer) is reciting Quran from memory or not. During holy Ramadan , Imams recite the whole Quran from memory & anybody can check it.
Tarabi ( special prayer for Ramadan) is available online. Take a Quran & check if Imams are reciting verbatim or not.
related link:
Eternal Miracle
Al-Quran is the only ever living miracle. Today no other miracle of any prophet exists.
According to a survey, the number of Huffaz (persons who have memorized the whole Quran) today is more than 10 million.
islam101.com/dawah/WhatIsQuran.html
Salaam/peace
Every Muslim know at least few chapters of Quran in memory as it’s a must to recite Quran in daily prayers. Millions Muslims memorised the whole Quran .
Quran reciting competition from memory is held each year . If u browse u will see how kids of 5 years old , middle aged & old persons are taking part in these competitions.
The forum has some Arab Christians. U can request them to go to any mosque & check if Imam ( who leads the prayer) is reciting Quran from memory or not. During holy Ramadan , Imams recite the whole Quran from memory & anybody can check it.
Tarabi ( special prayer for Ramadan) is available online. Take a Quran & check if Imams are reciting verbatim or not.
only Quran has this characteristic that its followers can have it in memory. God made it possible for them …Alhamdulillah …praise be to God only.
related link:
Eternal Miracle
Al-Quran is the only ever living miracle. Today no other miracle of any prophet exists.
According to a survey, the number of Huffaz (persons who have memorized the whole Quran) today is more than 10 million.
islam101.com/dawah/WhatIsQuran.html
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Jay53
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This is not true - there have been numerous Eucharistic Miracles over the centuries. If you google “Eucharistic Miracles” you will find them.
(BTW these are miracles of Jesus’ Real Presence in the Eucharist. Muslims claim Jesus was just a prophet so by your standards these should count. 
although by their very existence they prove Muhammad wrong. )I’m sure there are also many other miracles happening in the world today, all because of the Power of Almighty God!
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w_stewart
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MM, I hope you can answer my questions. Thanks
What are your proofs outside Quran that Quran is authentic documents of Mohammed’s teachings and Mohammed was accurate in his narration to his followers and his followers were accurate in jotting down Mohammed’s account? Mohammed had no way of verifying the accuracy of his followers’ writings considering that he was illiterate.
What are your proofs outside Quran that Quran is authentic documents of Mohammed’s teachings and Mohammed was accurate in his narration to his followers and his followers were accurate in jotting down Mohammed’s account? Mohammed had no way of verifying the accuracy of his followers’ writings considering that he was illiterate.
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planten
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** Muhammad was guided by Allah all the time. He did not do anything from himself. Everything he did was as guided by Allah.
- Think of his ways. He told the scribes to write down the revealed verses of the Quran. There were more than one scibe.
- He informed all his friends about the new revelations and they learnt the words of the Quran by heart (in memory).
- Daily prayers were ordained for the Msulims topray to the Only One God (Allah). During those prayers, Quran was loudly recited and every one heard the words. If there was any mistake, it was challenged there and then.
- The prophet Muhammad (The Messenger of Allah) used to lead the prayers himself too. He also recited the Qurana nd every one listened to the words carefully. There was a check and recheck going on constantly. There could be no mistake. Can you see that?
- The scribes were writing and the prophet listened to what they had written. If it was not what he had dictated, he would correct it at once. He did not read and write. Yet there was no problem,no mistake.
- The angel (Gabriel) who revealed the Quran on the heart of Messenger Muhammad used to visit Muhammad once every year in the month of Ramadhan. He used to recite and remind all the revealed part of the Quran to Muhammad. This was done for 23 years.
- In the last year of the life of Muhammad, the angel recited the whole Quran to Muhammad twice in the month of Ramadhan. It is for this reason that all Muslims all over the world recite the complete Quran in the month of Ramadhan or they lsiten to all the Quran during (29/30 days) night prayer in the fasting month of Ramadhan. There are Hafiz who know the whole Quran by heart and they lead the prayers.
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R_not
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No, I will not ‘say’ what you have written. I can read the Bible, your koran and the hadiths and I know that mohammed was not a prophet and allah was just his alter ego. As mohammed slid into a negative being - so did his allah.
If muslims believe what was told to the prophets of the Bible - why do they think mohammed was a prophet? It clearly states in the Bible that mohammed doesn’t fit the description of what a prophet will be.
- he changed the message of the previous prophets
- mohammed was not a prophet because he would change his mind to suit his needs at the time. (especially his sexual, murderous, and greedy needs!)
- Islam cannot be from God because the prophet of Islam, Muhammad, did not pass God’s first test for a prophet. Deuteronomy 18:21-22 tells us that God will authenticate those He sends as a prophet by having them perform signs. Muhammad gave no sign as required by God.
- Islam cannot be from God because Muhammad’s teaching does not pass the second test God gave for a prophet. Deuteronomy 13:1-4 tells us that no prophet will bring a revelation that is in conflict with previous revelation. His revelation must agree with the previous revelation of God. Deuteronomy 13:1-4
Read the rest of the reasons
apostates of islam
They have articles in this website why islam is not from God, and why mohammed was not a prophet. They do not keep following:
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w_stewart
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R_not
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In his ‘night journey’ Aisha even told him that he didn’t go anywhere.
And when he saw his angel - he was alone. At one time he told some that the angel would visit him and he blamed a black puppy for keeping the angel away.
That is why dogs are shunned in islam and black dogs especially.
kill the dogs
A sane person would ask themselves - why would an angel of (their) god be afraid of a dog? They wouldn’t be affected by one of god’s creatures. OR!! Could it be that mohammed was in a fantasy land and having hallucinations?!
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w_stewart
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Another question:
What the Quran has to say on Muslim women preaching/defending the Islamic faith?
What the Quran has to say on Muslim women preaching/defending the Islamic faith?
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CatholicRevert1
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Sam_777
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A Muslim must at least memorize 2 Suras of Quran in order to perform the prayer, however one of them is obligatory which is Sura#1.
Indeed they can be very short, any person can memorize them, here are examples:
This the obligatory one:
http://quran.al-islam.com/GenGifImages/Normal/290X330-0/1/1/1.png
And here is any second one:
http://quran.al-islam.com/GenGifImages/Normal/290X330-0/108/1/1.png
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sedonaman
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Belief, true belief, can come only from understanding, and memorization does not in itself constitute understanding, nor is a text’s capability to be memorized, whether by one person or 1.3 billion, proof of anything other than the fact that it can be memorized.
“No other world religion makes this claim [that truth comes in only one language] about itself or its holy texts. While the Bible is distributed pretty much as is by various Christian groups, for example, it is rare to find a Qur’an that does not include voluminous and highly subjective footnoted commentary deemed necessary to explain away the straightforward interpretation of politically-incorrect passages.
“An additional problem for the apologists is that they want to have it both ways. On the one hand they declare that (for some strange reason) Allah’s perfect religion and perfect book cannot be understood by most of humanity without a battery of intercessors and interpreters. Then they turn around and blame the reality of Islamic terrorism on this same ‘necessary’ chain of intermediaries by claiming that the Osama bin Ladens of the world have simply gotten bad clerical advice, causing them to ‘misunderstand’ the true meaning of the Religion of Peace (in the most catastrophic and tragic way imaginable).
“Of course, another irony here is that, as a Saudi, the Qur’an-toting Osama bin Laden is a native Arabic speaker – as are most of the leaders and foot soldiers in his al-Qaeda brotherhood of devout Muslims. In fact, many critics of Islam are Arabic speakers as well.
“At this point there is only one avenue of escape open to the beleaguered apologist – the weak claim that the Qur’an can be understood only in Classical Arabic, an obscure Quraish dialect which has not been commonly used in over a thousand years and is known only by a few hundred people alive today (generally Wahabbi scholars, who are – ironically enough – accused of taking the Qur’an ‘literally’).
“Although it is hardly plausible that the differences between classical and modern Arabic are such that peace and tolerance can be confused with terrorism, even if this were true it merely begs the question all the more. Why would such a ‘perfect book’ be virtually impossible for the rest of us to learn – and susceptible to such horrible ‘misinterpretation’ on an on-going basis?
“Really, it isn’t hard to see through this childish game, particularly since the rules are applied only to detractors and not to advocates. Apologists never claim that Arabic is a barrier to understanding Islam when it comes to lauding the religion, no matter how less knowledgeable those offering praise are than the critics.
“Obviously, the real reason for this illogical myth is that, for the first time, the information age is making the full history and texts of the Islamic religion available to a broader audience, and it is highly embarrassing to both Muslim scholars and their faithful flock. Pretending that different meanings exist in Arabic is a way of finding solace and saving face.”
thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Games-Muslims-Play.htm
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