Ask about Islam round 3!

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planten said:
  1. The scribes were writing and the prophet listened to what they had written. If it was not what he had dictated, he would correct it at once. He did not read and write. Yet there was no problem,no mistake.
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It’s official: Mohammed was illiterate.
 
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w_stewart said:
Mohammed was alone when the said revelations were given to him, right?
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Revealation came during 23 years . In many occasions , people were around him .

related link:

COMPARISON of BIBLE & QURAN-

[Dr. Gary Miller- with Commentary by Yusuf Estes]

Bible is Collection of Writings -
Quran is Recitation From God to Muhammad (p)

islamtomorrow.com/articles/Bible_vs_Quran.asp
 
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CatholicRevert1 said:
So then when Muslims say EVERY Muslim can recite the entire Quran is a lie?
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All Muslims can not recite entire Quran from memory but

Each Muslim Has “Quran” Memorized

All Muslims have memorzied a portion of the Quran in the Arabic language, as this is an important part of their daily prayers. Many Muslims have memorized large portions of the Quran from one tenth to one half to all of the entire Quran, and all in the original Arabic language.

islamtomorrow.com/articles/Bible_vs_Quran.asp
. Mohammed never healed the sick
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How do u know ? He did so but Muslims don’t worhip him because of these miracles . All miracles were performed by the will & power of God only.
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MuslimWoman - Do you actually read the questions and answers from people on this board or do you ignore them?
I don’t read posts of some Christians . They are spreading hatred & I don’t want to start hating Christians.
Do you not wonder why that is?
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Ever wonder , despite the hatred media propaganda against Islam since decades ,why so many Christians including Bishops/ Priests/ Pastors embraced Islam ? 🙂
 
Muslim_Woman said:
only Quran has this characteristic that its followers can have it in memory.
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Many Jews and Christians have memorized large portions of the Bible. So your statement is false.

Even if your claim “only Quran has this characteristic that its followers can have it in memory”] were true, having the capability to be memorized does not make its message true. I can teach any kid to memorize, “Two plus two equals five.” Does that make two plus two equal five?
 
Muslim Woman

Salaam/peace

All Muslims can not recite entire Quran from memory but

Each Muslim Has “Quran” Memorized

All Muslims have memorzied a portion of the Quran in the Arabic language, as this is an important part of their daily prayers. Many Muslims have memorized large portions of the Quran from one tenth to one half to all of the entire Quran, and all in the original Arabic language.

OK well yes or no - can every Muslim recite the entire Quran as every muslim says they can?

How do u know ? He did so but Muslims don’t worhip him because of these miracles . All miracles were performed by the will & power of God only.

We do not worship Jesus Christ because of his miracles. They can be considered an added extra bonus to how wonderful and loving he is to everyone.

I don’t read posts of some Christians . They are spreading hatred & I don’t want to start hating Christians.

We are not “spreading hatred” - IMO you avoid most questions on here. Possibly they are the questions that there is no answer to. Personally, I do not hate muslims I hate islam.

Ever wonder , despite the hatred media propaganda against Islam since decades ,why so many Christians including Bishops/ Priests/ Pastors embraced Islam ? 🙂

What about the number is Imams around the world that are embracing Christianity? Why is there the global shortage of imams and mullahs? It’s now happening in almost every country in the world. Do you all wonder at this? Do you know what is actually going on? Do you know the REAL reasons why so many Muslim clerics are leaving Islam?

Are the imams’ salaries poor? Are the mosques underfunded? Are there not enough Muslims attending mosques anymore? These are all just the pretexts to cover up the fact that Muslim clerics are leaving Islam.

mafhoum.com/press8/250C31.htm Before Ramadan, Baghdad Mosques Without Imams

Now the Real Reasons…
youtube.com/watch?v=Tds8–EOE… Dr.Mark Gabriel, Former Muslim Imam’s journey to Christ - (Part 1/5)
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/… Article: Dutch imams ‘leaving in droves.’
Extract: "He said imams were becoming disillusioned and leaving because since the 11 September 2001 attacks on the US, they were increasingly being linked to terrorism and facing discrimination. "
youtube.com/watch?v=-CExvHJxJ… How Lord Jesus Changed Former Muslim Imam Mohammed !
youtube.com/watch?v=6fstow9n7…Ahmed,Former Muslim Dawah Missionary-How i came to Christ-P1
youtube.com/watch?v=yEi-vy0GH… A Teacher of Islam’s Journey from Islam to Christ.
wikiislam.com/wiki/Muslims_Le… Muslims Leaving Islam

Here is another video of conversions uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xdVnILalpeo&feature=channel_page - most Imams are (sadly) still having to pretend they are still muslim.
 
CatholicRevert1 said:
We are not “spreading hatred” - IMO you avoid most questions on here. Possibly they are the questions that there is no answer to.
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Perhaps they are the questions that have answers, but the answers would prove the falsehood of Islam.
Personally, I do not hate muslims I hate islam.
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We must be careful to make that distinction so that we do not make the mistake of thinking, “I know some good Muslims, so Islam must be good.”
 
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sedonaman said:
Many Jews and Christians have memorized large portions of the Bible. So your statement is false.
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nuh , large portion & entire book is not same. Show me one Jew or Christian who has his/her entire holy book in momory.

Pl. just don’t write that my uncle or my Priest memorise it but don’t want to come in front of camera/ public . Normally non Muslims reply like that.
 
sedonaman said:
Many Jews and Christians have memorized large portions of the Bible. So your statement is false.

Even if your claim “only Quran has this characteristic that its followers can have it in memory”] were true, having the capability to be memorized does not make its message true. I can teach any kid to memorize, “Two plus two equals five.” Does that make two plus two equal five?
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You had no real reply to the argument of Muslim Woman. You have just passed off the matter as if it is a joke.
 
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sedonaman said:
Show me one Muslim who has the entire Qur’an memorized. .
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U must be joking , right ? why not ask Arab Christans to go to any mosque & check if Imams are reciting Quran from memory or not . Live telecast of Tarabi prayers from holy city of Macca & Madina are available online. Imams recite the whole Quran from memory in holy Ramadan. Just ask Arab Christians to confirm u this.
 
Muslim_Woman said:
I don’t read posts of some Christians . They are spreading hatred & I don’t want to start hating Christians.

muslims don’t like it when we show them their own koran and hadiths.

Look at what is happening to Geert Wilders. He is being prosecuted over Fitna and Fitna is nothing but koranic surahs and proof of them being carried out in our own day.

The whole thing is due to muslims are not used to infidels, or kufir, discussing and debating the koran, mohammed, or anything about islam. They would be killed if they did such a thing. And now the internet has allowed us a unique opportunity to discuss it and we are realizing that it can be more compared to Mein Kampf than the Bible. Oh, it has some poorly written Bible stories in them that don’t resemble the original stores. And NO MUSLIM HAS EVER PROVEN THE BIBLE WAS CORRUPTED and only take the words of an illiterate pagan - mohammed.

They don’t like it that we say mohammed was an Adulterer, Bandit, Immoral, Inhuman, Looter, Lecher, Misogynist, Murderer, Materialistic, assasin, Narcissist, Pedophile, Raider, Rapist, Slavetrader, Sexmaniac, Terrorist, Torturer, Vengeful Warlord.

In fact, speaking against their prophet meant instant death - even speaking against allah, a person had a chance to recant. Not so for mohammed. (gee, wonder who ranks higher? it isn’t allah!)

It still means death in islamic countries, and if they know who says such things in our countries - they better go into hiding or watch themselves. Look at Theo Van Gogh and Hirsi Ali - Theo died a violent death and Hirsi Ali has to live with 24 hour guard or in hiding because they tried to make known the plight of muslim women. Maybe that is why our own lefties are so silent - out of fear.

They cannot do that in the world of anonymous ids. jihadwatch.org, frontpagemag.com, faithfreedom.org, memri.org, and many others allow people to blog and get the word out about islam. CAF also allows us to get the word out. We do need to document which is no problem. In islam the examples come out almost daily that can be used.

I don’t know why she would hate Christians for finding out about islam. I don’t hate muslims for the ‘silent, deceptive’ ones that never do anything to change it from within - and only quoting us the weaker, abrogated surahs like muslim woman does all the time. Who can tell us they are peaceful but follow a nasty character such as mohammed.
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planten said:
You had no real reply to the argument of Muslim Woman. You have just passed off the matter as if it is a joke.
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Did it ever occur to you that maybe her argument is a joke? If it is not, just what is her argument anyway?
 
Muslim Woman

Salaam/peace

All Muslims can not recite entire Quran from memory but

Each Muslim Has “Quran” Memorized

All Muslims have memorzied a portion of the Quran in the Arabic language, as this is an important part of their daily prayers. Many Muslims have memorized large portions of the Quran from one tenth to one half to all of the entire Quran, and all in the original Arabic language.

From C R, OK well yes or no - can every Muslim recite the entire Quran as every muslim says they can?

How do u know ? He did so but Muslims don’t worhip him because of these miracles . All miracles were performed by the will & power of God only.

C R, We do not worship Jesus Christ because of his miracles. They can be considered an added extra bonus to how wonderful and loving he is to everyone.

I don’t read posts of some Christians . They are spreading hatred & I don’t want to start hating Christians.

C R, We are not “spreading hatred” - IMO you avoid most questions on here. Possibly they are the questions that there is no answer to. Personally, I do not hate muslims I hate islam.

Ever wonder , despite the hatred media propaganda against Islam since decades ,why so many Christians including Bishops/ Priests/ Pastors embraced Islam ? 🙂
C R, What about the number is Imams around the world that are embracing Christianity? Why is there the global shortage of imams and mullahs? It’s now happening in almost every country in the world. Do you all wonder at this? Do you know what is actually going on? Do you know the REAL reasons why so many Muslim clerics are leaving Islam? (/quote]
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That is no argument. Every one is leaving and joining other faiths in large numbers…
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Are the imams’ salaries poor? Are the mosques underfunded? Are there not enough Muslims attending mosques anymore? These are all just the pretexts to cover up the fact that Muslim clerics are leaving Islam
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Perhaps the salaries are poor compared to what is being offered to the padres. There is general powerty in the Muslim countries.
That does not mean Islam is wrong.
mafhoum.com/press8/250C31.htm
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Before Ramadan, Baghdad Mosques Without Imams

That is a war torn country now a days. That is an occupied country.
Now the Real Reasons…
youtube.com/watch?v=Tds8–EOE
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… Dr.Mark Gabriel, Former Muslim Imam’s journey to Christ - (Part 1/5)
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/… Article: Dutch imams ‘leaving in droves.’
Extract: "He said imams were becoming disillusioned and leaving because since the 11 September 2001 attacks on the US, they were increasingly being linked to terrorism and facing discrimination. "
youtube.com/watch?v=-CExvHJxJ… How Lord Jesus Changed Former Muslim Imam Mohammed !
youtube.com/watch?v=6fstow9n7…Ahmed,Former Muslim Dawah Missionary-How i came to Christ-P1
youtube.com/watch?v=yEi-vy0GH… A Teacher of Islam’s Journey from Islam to Christ.
wikiislam.com/wiki/Muslims_Le… Muslims Leaving Islam

**That has no meaning. The Christians are also leaving the church business. It is a two way traffic, not one way. **.
Here is another video of conversions uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xdVnILalpeo&feature=channel_page
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  • most Imams are (sadly) still having to pretend they are still muslim.
**The Muslims have a large number of such videos showing the important persons joining Islam. There was a famous Jew (Leopold Weiss, Polish) He wrote a book, Road to Mecca, and he wrote the translation of the Quran ( I forget the title). The person leopold weiss was renamed Muhammad Asad. Here are some of his works on islam:
  1. Road to Mecca
  2. The Message of The Qur’an
  3. Translation and commentary on the Sahih Bukhari
  4. This Law of Ours
  5. Islam at the Crossroads
Those are the Writings of Muhammad Asad on Islam**
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Muslim_Woman said:
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Salaam/peace

U must be joking , right ? why not ask Arab Christans to go to any mosque & check if Imams are reciting Quran from memory or not . Live telecast of Tarabi prayers from holy city of Macca & Madina are available online. Imams recite the whole Quran from memory in holy Ramadan. Just ask Arab Christians to confirm u this.
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I wouldn’t be caught dead in one of those places - not unless I was hired to infiltrate one of them!

I believe that clips like this when the clerics don’t have a clue that anyone other than his loyal followers are watching him is true though.

‘moderate’ Sheik yusuf Al-Qaradawi preaching jihad in America (and it ain’t that ‘inner struggle’ kind!)

This one is happened in Palestine, but it shows us that the sheiks are more like officers in an army than any religious leader.
Palestinian sheik
 
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