Ask about Islam round 3!

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

God: Forgiving or Not?

Zainy: I thought Allah was the All-Forgiving. But I was told and was even quoted a verse from surat Ar-Rahman that He does not forgive shirk (associating other beings/gods with Allah). Is this true?

Won’t many people from polytheistic religions then lose hope of forgiveness in Islam?

Shahul Hameed:…Indeed Allah’s mercy is discernible in the whole of His creation; and a whole chapter of the Quran is named after Allah the All-Merciful (Al-Rahman, Chapter 55).

Indeed 113 chapters of the Quran begin with: “In the name of Allah the Most-Compassionate; the Most-Merciful”. This is a formula that serves to constantly remind the readers of the Quran, of the All-Encompassing mercy and forgiveness of Allah Almighty.

And there is also an assurance from Allah the All Merciful that He will forgive the sins of all those who repent and return to Him.

Your Lord hath inscribed for Himself (the rule of) mercy: verily, if any of you did evil in ignorance, and thereafter repented, and amended (his conduct), lo! He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (Al-An`am 6:54)

There is a hadith qudsi (divine hadith) also that states: “My mercy prevails over My wrath.”

But about shirk (polytheism), Allah the Almighty says in the noble Quran what gives the meaning of:

Allah forgives not (the sin of) joining other gods with Him; but He forgives whom He pleases other sins than this: one who joins other gods with Allah, has strayed far, far away (from the right) the right what…I guess a completion needed. (Al-Nisaa’ 4:116)

This verse in fact underscores the fact that the sin of polytheism is the gravest of all sins; because it is like treason which seeks to undermine the sovereignty and Lordship of Allah the Almighty.

All the same, we can also find another verse in the Quran, which teaches us more about the all-embracing nature of the forgiveness of Allah the Almighty:

Say: “O my Servants who have transgressed against their souls, despair not of the mercy of Allah. for Allah forgives all sins: for He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” (Az-Zumar 39:53)

…Allah does not forgive polytheism, is about people who commit polytheism even after they have understood it to be a serious sin; and the verse is not relevant to those who had earlier committed polytheism, that is, before they were aware of the gravity of the sin of polytheism.

But once they have come to know that polytheism is an unforgivable sin, their natural course of action is to avoid it at all costs. If not, they violate the command of Allah prohibiting polytheism, and consequently they do not deserve Allah’s forgiveness.

Useful Links: “My Mercy Prevails Over My Wrath”

Mercy Toward Our Fellow Creations

When Divine Mercy Supersedes Justice

God’s Unchanging Words of Mercy

Self-imposed Darkness and Light of Infinite Mercy

Mercy, Through Hell…

 

[planten]

well since Muhammad said the Quran was revealed in 7 ahruf, then burning 6 of them is pure corruption not to add that Uthman’s copy was not accepted by many and caused fitna among Muslims and he broke the bones of one of Muhammad’s best scribes because of it. So Allah says he sends in 7 ahruf, and Allah says he preserves his words, and uthman made a joke out of Muhammad and Allah because he turned Allah into a liar who does not preserve what he reveals.

**There was no corruption in Quran. All the corruption is in the bible NT which has been specially worded by the men to cover up up all kinds of truth. The Quran was revealed on the heart of Muhammad by the angel and it was memorised and recited in the five daily prayers. It was committed to writing too. Nothing of that sort was done about the bible.

The bible was the outcome of mental activity (wishes) of some sinful persons. Do you agree. That sinful persons were writing your scripture? Even then the writings o fmany others were not accepted at the Nicene council of 325 .A.D. Why?**

Regarding your quote, i have a few comments as well:

Hafsa’s copy was that of Abu Bakr’s compilation (first compilation of Quran) which missed many ayas, including 2 verses from At-Tawba that were included 13 years later, during Uthman’s caliphate. In other words, either Hafsa’s or Uthman’s were correct and the ayas added to Uthman’s copy had one narrator only, so no mutawarir which makes us wonder why didn’t Abu bakr’s compilation include these verses added in Uthman’s copy. Add to it that Hafsa’s Quran was BURNT after her death, why, if hers matched that of Uthman? what was wrong in Hafsa’s copy to merit being burnt right after her death?

the Quran says it was revealed in Arabic, the quran does not say " in Quraichite Arabic" .Add to it that Muhammad talked of 7 ahruf so who gave Uthman the right to decide in which language to write the Quran? and what will they “disagree” on if 7 ahruf are revealed by Allah and are the words of Allah?

indeed, absolutely no one had this verse for 13 years, except one man. Who says the man remembered it correctly for 13 years when it was recited by no one?

indeed.

actually her copy was burnt after her death.

indeed, he almost killed Muhammad’s best scribe and was hated by many for what he did…and one has to see who killed Uthman and why, since on the reasons was his messing with the Quran. No wonder the Shia hate him and accuse him of lying and deceit.

indeed and we are talking about a 13 years difference .

Missing verses, missing chapters, haphasard compilations based on length, abrogations and forgotten verses, missing 7 ahruf, revelations burnt, yet the Quran is the preserved masterpiece.

It is all false propaganda by inJesus against Islam and the Quran. Since the post of inJesus is intentionally extra-ordinarily long, I will try to reply in patches only. Here I have replied to only one para. inJesus had to take shelter behind our bible (hadith). Could not face the quran.

 

[planten]

No worries InJesus - you are not breaking my head over anything my dear…

I would just like the muslims to address the inquiry that’s all.

I’m a member of other forums Christian and islamic ones. And oh boy, do I see my fair share of sunny vs shia bashing on those islamic forums. It’s a muslim on muslim war in so many places…

** jakasaki, Please Listen to the advice of inJesus and you will probably save your head. The matter of ahruf (not correct) is simple. there were a few accents in Arabia. The language was perfect. There was no doubt of any kind. there were many scribes who wrote the quran on parchments and pieces of wood and leather etc.

The prophet himself guided and decided about the placement of verses. The angel used to visit the prophet once every year in the Month of Ramadhan to recite and remind and revise the revealed portion of all the quran, once every year. During the last year of the life of the prophet, the angel Gabriel visited and reveise dteh whole Quran twice.

The Quran was being recited (loudly) in the five daily prayers too. Everybody was listening. there could be no mistake or any doubt. If there was any difference in the accent then that was removed by Uthman by providing an authenticated copy of the Quran to every one to follow. that Quran is with us today.

Please remember that the compilation of the Quran was done during the First Caliph (Abubakr) soon after the passing away of the prophet Muhammad. It continued to rogress during the time of Umar too. So the compilation and presentation of the Quran is not the work of Uthman only. It was a collective work.

I mentioned the word accent in my above paras. Please read the word as dialect instead of accent. thanks.**

 

[dzheremi]

The bible was the outcome of mental activity (wishes) of some sinful persons. Do you agree. That sinful persons were writing your scripture?

Why would any Christian ever agree with that? Planten, do you think about the questions you ask before you ask them? Because that was a ridiculous question. If I asked you “Don’t you agree that the Qur’an is from Satan and Muhammad was possessed by demons?”, you would say no, and probably also complain about how I wasn’t been nice. Well, you should learn to be more charitable as well, sir. I am generally a fairly tolerant and patient person (or at least I hope to one day be), but I will not tolerate talk about the Bible being “sinful”. If you want that sort of talk, take it to an Islamic forum where everyone is already convinced of that without ever having read it or listened to a Christian’s explanation of it. YOU, my friend, do not have the problem of “invincible ignorance” - only willful. It is disappointing in the extreme.

Even then the writings o fmany others were not accepted at the Nicene council of 325.A.D. Why?

I will pose to you the converse question: Why should it have been necessary or even advisable to include all possible writings? You perhaps cannot understand this because your holy book was revealed to one man over 23 years and everyone who embraced it had only to believe his story, but in Christianity, the writings that make up the Bible were the chronicles of many years and many different people. So there had to be some way to determine what was a truly inspired writing and what was perhaps something else (gnostic writings, forgeries, etc). The not inspired things had to be left out, and the inspired things were selected and approved by the councils.

Believe it or not, you an actually buy compilations of Gnostic writings now, so there really isn’t anything that is “hidden” from anyone, even if Muslims and other anti-Christs seem to think there is. I myself almost bought a compilation of the Nag Hammadi codices, which were printed in a nice hardbound book at the local bookstore. Instead a bought a copy of Thomas Aquinas’ “Summa Theologica”, but still…the point is, the writings that did not make it into the Bible were kept out for good reasons, but if you want to read some of the other writings that were around at the time, they are actually available for you to do so! No one is hiding them from anybody. We do not have an “Uthman” of our own to make sure that everyone can lie to themselves and claim that we have never heard of anything other than the Bible as it is in the Catholic and Orthodox Churches. We know better, because we are intellectually honest, and we believe in our religion not based on ONE man’s story, but on the life of Christ as foretold in the pre-Christian era, as borne out during Christ’s ministry on Earth, and as continued today in the Apostolic Churches. If you don’t like that answer, fine, but quit being a conspiracy nut. There is no conspiracy in Christianity against anything, because we are only interested in truth. If it were in Islam or anywhere else, we would have accepted it in the first place, but we didn’t. Thank GOD for men like St. John Damascene who answered the same Muslim arguments we coming from you, but in REAL time! (meaning, as the Islamic hordes ravaged their way through the CHRISTIAN MIDDLE EAST!)

Find a new argument, please. Your objections are by this point over 1,000 years old.

It is all false propaganda by inJesus against Islam and the Quran. Since the post of inJesus is intentionally extra-ordinarily long, I will try to reply in patches only. Here I have replied to only one para. inJesus had to take shelter behind our bible (hadith). Could not face the quran.

Hahaha. That inJESUS can face the Qur’an has been proven many, many times by now. In fact, I dare say that inJESUS is in a much better position to “face” the Qur’an than you are, since you are not a native Arabic-speaker! From my understanding, it is your heretical sect of Islam that will discard the hadith, apparently when they have to make a point on a messageboard…most Muslims would disagree with your behavior in this regard, I would think.

But, I suppose, have fun telling everyone how afraid they are to “face” the Qur’an. I suppose now I have one more thing to pray that I be protected against before I go to sleep tonight…lest I wake up with a Qur’an in my bed next to me! (Actually, that does sound terrifying, but not in the way that you would like it to be…)

 

[dzheremi]

Please remember that the compilation of the Quran was done during the First Caliph (Abubakr) soon after the passing away of the prophet Muhammad. It continued to rogress during the time of Umar too. So the compilation and presentation of the Quran is not the work of Uthman only. It was a collective work.

Interesting…so when your Qur’an is progressively compiled via a council of learned Muslims, it is fine? But when a similar process (with far less destruction of holy texts!) is used hundreds of years earlier to compile the Bible, suddenly it is retroactively the work of “sinful” men?

That, my friend, is pure hypocrisy.

 

[inJESUS]

Once again, Muslims project their understanding of scriptures on our scriptures and i repeat : the preservation of the NT is not as important to Christianity as the preservation of the Quran is for Islam. Muhammad’s greatest sign to his people was the Quran. It was supposed to be immediately distinguishable from all else as divine writings and it was supposed to be perfectly preserved. No Christian will claim that the NT is Jesus’ sign that He is the Messiah and no Christian will focus his research on the NT’s alphabets to see if each one is preserved. This is totally alien to Christianity and the church, and Muslims are guilty again and again of complete ignorance when it comes to the NT.

So when we prove that the Quran back then and now is not distinguishible from other scriptures as divine writ because even Arab Muslims abandonned Muhamad’s book for another book, not to mention plagiarizing dozens of sources among them legends and myths, and when we prove that 6 revealed Qurans were destroyed, in addition to lost verses, lost chapters, lost books, abrogations and forgotten verses, Muhammad forgetting and the elite of reciters dead, and verses found after 13 years with only one person, and chaos and hatred and violence till breaking bones among the umma over what must be in the Quran and what must not be, and rejection of Zaid’s and Uthman’s copies , the whole integrity of the Quran as a divine writ distingued and perfectly preserved collapses on the spot.

And no dear Planten, my accusations are written in your own historical books and if you do not like them, burn your books as uthman did when he burned Allah’s 6 revealed ahruf of the Quran which were so different as to cause enmity and chaos in the ummah and when Muhammad’s best scribe opposed Uthman, Uthman beat the heck out of him. So instead of projecting your understanding of scriptures on ours, go read the catastrophes in your own literature when it comes to the “well-preserved Quran”.

 

[chrisse]

Once again, Muslims project their understanding of scriptures on our scriptures and i repeat : the preservation of the NT is not as important to Christianity as the preservation of the Quran is for Islam. Muhammad’s greatest sign to his people was the Quran. It was supposed to be immediately distinguishable from all else as divine writings and it was supposed to be perfectly preserved. No Christian will claim that the NT is Jesus’ sign that He is the Messiah and no Christian will focus his research on the NT’s alphabets to see if each one is preserved. This is totally alien to Christianity and the church, and Muslims are guilty again and again of complete ignorance when it comes to the NT.

So when we prove that the Quran back then and now is not distinguishible from other scriptures as divine writ because even Arab Muslims abandonned Muhamad’s book for another book, not to mention plagiarizing dozens of sources among them legends and myths, and when we prove that 6 revealed Qurans were destroyed, in addition to lost verses, lost chapters, lost books, abrogations and forgotten verses, Muhammad forgetting and the elite of reciters dead, and verses found after 13 years with only one person, and chaos and hatred and violence till breaking bones among the umma over what must be in the Quran and what must not be, and rejection of Zaid’s and Uthman’s copies , the whole integrity of the Quran as a divine writ distingued and perfectly preserved collapses on the spot.

And no dear Planten, my accusations are written in your own historical books and if you do not like them, burn your books as uthman did when he burned Allah’s 6 revealed ahruf of the Quran which were so different as to cause enmity and chaos in the ummah and when Muhammad’s best scribe opposed Uthman, Uthman beat the heck out of him. So instead of projecting your understanding of scriptures on ours, go read the catastrophes in your own literature when it comes to the “well-preserved Quran”.

Perfect, inJesus

 

[inJESUS]

Interesting…so when your Qur’an is progressively compiled via a council of learned Muslims, it is fine? But when a similar process (with far less destruction of holy texts!) is used hundreds of years earlier to compile the Bible, suddenly it is retroactively the work of “sinful” men?

That, my friend, is pure hypocrisy.

well my friend, God does not write books, He commissions it to humans but you see, when Muhammad’s Allah commissioned it to Christians , he was busy doing something else, maybe praying the Quran to himself, and so bad and corrupt Christians all of them in all lands and churches on this planet decided to betray Jesus and His apostles by writing false things and when Allah realized it, he did nothing; but when it came to Muhammad’s nation, Allah quit everything else and started watching each and every single letter of the Quran…you see, he wasn;t busy anymore and only the bedouin ummah of Muhammad cared about Allah’s words…the rest of humans are all guilty of hating God and His words.

But we have another problem, Abu Bakr’s copy is not identical to that of Uthman. Hafsa’s copy, which was Abu Bakr’s, was destroyed and things were added to the Quran by Uthman relying on one source, and whole revealed Qurans were burnt. It’d be idiotic to re-collect the Quran if , by the time of Uthman’s caliphate, it was the Quran we have now; but it was not the same one for 13 years and Muhammad’s scribes opposed Uthman and Zaid’s copies and if you are to find the 7 different Qurans destroyed by uthman, they will tell you they are all from God, which is very convinient isn’t it? am not aware of any scripture being revealed in 7 variants before Muhammad;was Allah revealing the same verse to Muhammad each time in 7 ways? wonders and absurdities

 

[chrisse]

Interesting…so when your Qur’an is progressively compiled via a council of learned Muslims, it is fine? But when a similar process (with far less destruction of holy texts!) is used hundreds of years earlier to compile the Bible, suddenly it is retroactively the work of “sinful” men?

That, my friend, is pure hypocrisy.

dzheremi, that’s another of allah’s most beautiful names : allah is the perfect hypocrit.

Islam means surrender of all human intellect, morality, ethics, and all that makes us stand apart from animals.

 

[Reuben_J]

But we have another problem, Abu Bakr’s copy is not identical to that of Uthman. Hafsa’s copy, which was Abu Bakr’s, was destroyed and things were added to the Quran by Uthman relying on one source, and whole revealed Qurans were burnt. It’d be idiotic to re-collect the Quran if , by the time of Uthman’s caliphate, it was the Quran we have now; but it was not the same one for 13 years and Muhammad’s scribes opposed Uthman and Zaid’s copies and if you are to find the 7 different Qurans destroyed by uthman, they will tell you they are all from God, which is very convinient isn’t it? am not aware of any scripture being revealed in 7 variants before Muhammad;was Allah revealing the same verse to Muhammad each time in 7 ways? wonders and absurdities

This has to go against the claim that the Quran was the only original compilation of the revelations to Mohammad. As far as that claim is concerned it is rendered null and void by this disclosure.

 

[chrisse]

This has to go against the claim that the Quran was the only original compilation of the revelations to Mohammad. As far as that claim is concerned it is rendered null and void by this disclosure.

The jury has returned with its verdict, your honour.

 

[Reuben_J]

The jury has returned with its verdict, your honour.

I am tempted to but that’s the only logical conclusion based on the claim and the fact presented.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

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** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **

The Amazing Qur’an by Gary Miller

…If Muhammad was a liar, where did he get his confidence? Why did he tell some people out right to their face what others could never say?" Such confidence depends completely upon being convinced that one has a true divine revelation.

For example,the Prophet (SAW) had an uncle by the name of Abu Lahab. This man hated Islam to such an extent that he used to follow the Prophet around in order to discredit him. If Abu Lahab saw the Prophet (SAW) speaking to a stranger, he would wait until they parted and then would go to the stranger and ask him, “What did he tell you? Did he say, ‘Black.’? Well, it’s white. Did he say, ‘Morning.’? Well, it’s night.”

He faithfully said the exact opposite of whatever he heard Muhammad (SAW) and the Muslims say. However, about ten years before Abu Lahab died, a little chapter in the Qur’an was revealed to him. It distinctly stated that he would go to the Fire (i.e., Hell). In other words, it affirmed that he would never become a Muslim and would therefore be condemned forever. For ten years all Abu Lahab had to do was say, “I heard that it has been revealed to Muhammad that I will never change - that I will never become a Muslim and will enter the Hellfire. Well I want to become a Muslim now. How do you like that? What do you think of your divine revelation now?”

But he never did that. And yet, that is exactly the kind of behavior one would have expected from him since he always sought to contradict Islam. In essence, Muhammad (SAW) said, “You hate me and you want to finish me? Here, say these words, and I am finished. Come on, say them!”

But Abu Lahab never said them. Ten years! And in all that time he never accepted Islam or even became sympathetic to the Islamic cause. How could Muhammad possibly have known for sure that Abu Lahab would fulfill the Qur’anic revelation if he (i.e., Muhammad) was not truly the messenger of Allah?

How could he possibly have been so confident as to give someone 10 years to discredit his claim of Prophethood? The only answer is that he was Allah’s messenger; for in order to put forth suck a risky challenge, one has to be entirely convinced that he has a divine revelation.

jannah.org/articles/amzquran.html

 

[inJESUS]

This has to go against the claim that the Quran was the only original compilation of the revelations to Mohammad. As far as that claim is concerned it is rendered null and void by this disclosure.

Muslims like to portray the compilation of the Quran as a rosy process, where everybody agreed with everybody which is of course nothing but wishful thinking. There were so many major differences that lead to accusing each others of blasphemy over the Quranic copies, and which lead to violence, and which lead to confusion, accusations and disbelief for some (check the PS)…and of course we must no forget the lost verses," Many (of the passages) of the Qur’an that were sent down were known by those who died on the day of Yamama … but they were not known (by those who) survived them, nor were they written down … nor were they found with even one (person) after them.
-Ibn Abi Daud Kitab al-Masahif", lost chapters and whole books and we must not forget how those who complied the Quran did not agree of the number of chapters and verses in the Quran, and did not agree on whether some verses should be in the Quran or not, and did not agree on each other’s copies ( when we turn to Ubay, another scribe of Muhammad, we find out that he disagreed with both Zaid and ibn Masud, and he included 116 chapters in his Qur’an), until Uthman decided to burn all the differences, efface all traces of different Qurans, and assault those who did not agree with him, like Ibn Masud Muhammad’s best scribe ( The people have been guilty of deceit in the reading of the Quran. I like it better to read according to the recitation of him (Muhammad) whom I love more than that of Zaid Ibn Thabit. By Him besides Whom there is no god! I learnt more than seventy surahs from the lips of the Apostle of Allah while Zaid was still a youth, having two locks and playing with the youth.

• Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir, vol. 2, p.444) , in addition to fooling those who accused him of changing Allah’s words by telling them he had Umar’s copy when in fact he commissioned 4 people, among them Zaid, to recollect the Quran by adding that which was not in Umar’s copy in addition to burning Hafsa’s copy . What Uthman did was highly blamed among many but of course he had the power to kill and assault those who opposed him.

PS:
the Quran teacher Ubay b. Kaab had a similar response to this newsof different variants, momentarily even doubting the Truth of Islam! (Until Muhammad punched him, that is):

Ubay: “…there occurred in my mind a sort of denial and doubt that did not exist even in the time of Jaahilliyah (before Islaam)! When the Messenger (PBUH) saw how I was affected, he struck my chest, whereupon I started sweating, and felt as though I were looking at Allaah in fear! Then the Prophet (PBUH) said, ‘O Ubay! A message was sent to me to recite the Qur’aan in one harf, but I requested (Allaah) to make things easy on my nation. A second message came that I should recite the Qur’aan in two ahruf, but I again made the same request. I was then ordered to recite the Qur’aan in seven ahruf.’”

Narrated by Muslim.

Total chaos but Muslims are taught to believe that is was all a rosy process and not one dot was changed when their own books testify against these lies.

 

[inJESUS]

How could he possibly have been so confident as to give someone 10 years to discredit his claim of Prophethood? The only answer is that he was Allah’s messenger; for in order to put forth suck a risky challenge, one has to be entirely convinced that he has a divine revelation.

jannah.org/articles/amzquran.html

what kind of naive arguments are you being fed with.

 

[Reuben_J]

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** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **

The Amazing Qur’an by Gary Miller

**…If Muhammad was a liar, where did he get his confidence? Why did he tell some people out right to their face what others could never say?" **Such confidence depends completely upon being convinced that one has a true divine revelation.

jannah.org/articles/amzquran.html

Surely much more could be said of this of Paul, the apostle of Christianity, who had so much confidence in the message he preached, that he had to do it with fear and trembling because it is a scandal to the Jews and foolishness to the Greeks. The uphill task that he had to do to bring forth this message and eventually had to die because of it, speaks better of him than it is of Mohammad in the area whether it is divine revelation or not. By your logic, that is.

 

[planten]

Why would any Christian ever agree with that? Planten, do you think about the questions you ask before you ask them? Because that was a ridiculous question. If I asked you “Don’t you agree that the Qur’an is from Satan and Muhammad was possessed by demons?”, you would say no, and probably also complain about how I wasn’t been nice. Well, you should learn to be more charitable as well, sir. I am generally a fairly tolerant and patient person (or at least I hope to one day be), but I will not tolerate talk about the Bible being “sinful”. If you want that sort of talk, take it to an Islamic forum where everyone is already convinced of that without ever having read it or listened to a Christian’s explanation of it. YOU, my friend, do not have the problem of “invincible ignorance” - only willful. It is disappointing in the extreme.

dzhereme, i feel that you are off your mind. You believe thatall people are sinful except jesus. You know that some persons had been writing the bible. So why don’t you admit that some sinful persons had written your gospels.

This is where your belief of all sinfuls comes back to you. But you try to turn your back to it. i am sure that according to your belief of all persons being sinful, even a new born baby and even all prophets being sinful, surely those who wrote your scripture were sinful. Please admit it. Q.E.D.

 

[Reuben_J]

dzheremi:

Why would any Christian ever agree with that? Planten, do you think about the questions you ask before you ask them? Because that was a ridiculous question. If I asked you “Don’t you agree that the Qur’an is from Satan and Muhammad was possessed by demons?”, you would say no, and probably also complain about how I wasn’t been nice. Well, you should learn to be more charitable as well, sir. I am generally a fairly tolerant and patient person (or at least I hope to one day be), but I will not tolerate **talk about the Bible being “sinful”. **If you want that sort of talk, take it to an Islamic forum where everyone is already convinced of that without ever having read it or listened to a Christian’s explanation of it. YOU, my friend, do not have the problem of “invincible ignorance” - only willful. It is disappointing in the extreme.

Well, if he persists in making this kind of offensive remark regarding Christians Holy Book in a Christian forum without any justifications and reasons, perhaps it will only hasten his untimely exit from here. He has to account to the mods obviously.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

Lessons to Learn from Hajj

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “Islam is built upon five pillars: testifying that there is no true god except Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, performing Prayer, paying the Zakah, making the pilgrimage to the Sacred House (Hajj), and fasting the month of Ramadan.”

…The first House (of worship) appointed for people, was that at Bakkah; full of blessing and of guidance for all beings. In it are Signs manifest; the Station of Abraham; whoever enters it attains security; pilgrimage thereto is a duty men owe to Allah, those who can afford the journey; but if any deny faith, Allah stands not in need of any of His creatures.) (Aal `Imran 3:96-97)

The first ten days of Dhul Hijjah are the most sacred days of the year. They are mentioned as special days in Surat Al-Fajr. These are the days of special blessings. Muslims are urged to do more dhikr (remembering Allah), charity and good deeds during this time. Fasting in these days is prescribed as nafl (supererogatory act of worship) from first to the ninth day of Dhul Hijjah.

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Hajj: Meaning and Blessings

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Misty - United Kingdom : What is the true meaning of Hajj to a Muslim? What feelings do they experience whilst partaking in Hajj, and does it change the life of a Muslim? Does he truly become closer to Allah?

IOL Shariah Researchers :Hajj is an important pillar of Islam. It has many benefits and meanings for Muslims. Hajj has a form and a spirit. Its form is to have ihram, perform tawaf (circumambulation of the Kabah) and sai (walking between the two hills), go to Mina, Arafat, Muzdalifah, do the rami (throwing pebbles) at the Jamarat and make sacrifice of a sheep, goat or camel. The spirit of Hajj includes love, devotion, sacrifice, patience, mercy, harmony, unity, etc.

… The late eminent Muslim scholar Sayyid Abul A`la Maududi states:

During the period of two to three months, from the time of deciding and preparing for Hajj, to the time of returning home we can judge what great effects are produced in the heart and mind of man. The process entails sacrifice of time, sacrifice of money, sacrifice of comfort, sacrifice of several worldly affairs as well as sacrifice of many carnal desires and pleasures; and all this is simply for the sake of Allah, with no selfish end. Then, together with piety and virtuousness, the incessant remembrance of Allah and the longing and love of Him pervade the mind of the pilgrim, leaving a firm impression on him which lasts for years to come.

…Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: “This House of Allah (the Kabah) is the pillar of Islam; so whosoever heads for it with the intention of performing Hajj or Umrah is under Allah’s Protection. If he should die (during this journey), he will be admitted to Paradise, and if he should return home safely, he will return with reward and gain.”

Hajj, moreover, blots out all sins. Abu Hurairah (may Allah be pleased with him) reports that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: “Whoever performs Hajj solely for Allah’s Sake and, in the course of it, abstains from obscenity and disobedience, returns after Hajj as immaculate as a child just born.”

Allah Almighty knows best

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I am not aware that we have any claim that YHWH dictated the literal words of the Bible, nep.
That is the claim of Islam. The qur’an as they have it is as it is with allah.

Good try, though.

That does not matter unless you wish to assert that the author of Genesis was a polytheist.