Ask about Islam round 3!

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Reuben_J said:
Well, if he persists in making this kind of offensive remark regarding Christians Holy Book in a Christian forum without any justifications and reasons, perhaps it will only hasten his untimely exit from here. He has to account to the mods obviously.
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I ask you about Mathew and Mark and Luke and John. Are they sinful or not? Just give a reply and forget about your weeping and crying and reporting. I am justified to ask you all in the light of your own beliefs. It is not my belief at all. It is your belief that all are sinful.

Now tell me about the writers of bibleNT, the Mathew, Mark, Luke and John, are they sinful or not? Just leave it at that.
 
planten said:
I ask you about Mathew and Mark and Luke and John. Are they sinful or not? Just give a reply and forget about your weeping and crying and reporting. I am justified to ask you all in the light of your own beliefs. It is not my belief at all. It is your belief that all are sinful.

Now tell me about the writers of bibleNT, the Mathew, Mark, Luke and John, are they sinful or not? Just leave it at that.
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What do you mean by “sinful”. They were sinners in the same way you and I are. That does not mean they weren’t holy men or that they didn’t repent of their sins. And, that does not diminish the gospels in any way as being the inspired Word of God. I’m not sure what point you are trying to make here. :confused: Christians do not hold the belief the all prophets are sinless in the same way that Muslims do.

Only Jesus was sinless which is one reason (of many) why He will always be a better example than anyone else of how we should live our lives.
 
planten said:
I ask you about Mathew and Mark and Luke and John. Are they sinful or not? Just give a reply and forget about your weeping and crying and reporting. I am justified to ask you all in the light of your own beliefs. It is not my belief at all. It is your belief that all are sinful.

Now tell me about the writers of bibleNT, the Mathew, Mark, Luke and John, are they sinful or not? Just leave it at that.
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We are supposed to be addressing questions about Islam. The title of the thread is, “Ask about Islam round 3!” It is not, “Ask about Mathew, Mark Luke, John, the NT, and the Bible.”

If you want to ask questions about Christianity, go to another thread; there are plenty of them.
 
Muslim_Woman said:
…If Muhammad was a liar, where did he get his confidence? Why did he tell some people out right to their face what others could never say?" Such confidence depends completely upon being convinced that one has a true divine revelation.
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What a joke. Did you ever meet a used car salesman?

Oh! … Oh! I’m confident I just had a divine revelation! Guess what it was: Mohammed was actually a used camel salesman.
 
Reuben_J said:
Well, if he persists in making this kind of offensive remark regarding Christians Holy Book in a Christian forum without any justifications and reasons, perhaps it will only hasten his untimely exit from here. He has to account to the mods obviously.
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Planten is getting desperate, his arguments are being countered extremely well by us, and he and his co-surrendered are frustrated that everthing they put foward is so easily debunked.

It is very difficult for an active muslim when they come out of the warm and cosy surrounds of their cult into the fresh air, to find out that, no, the rest of the world doesn’t agree with them. Reality shock.
 
It is painfully obvious to me that Planten is ultimately looking for us to become “trapped” in this idea that since the writers of the Bible were sinners (because everyone is!), then the Bible is not a holy book and certainly not to be trusted, and CERTAINLY inherently inferior to the Qur’an. That’s why I tried to cut him off a little while ago, but no…there is no stopping Planten’s train of bizarre irrelevence and willful ignorance. Best to just let it pass in this case, I think.

Planten, if you have questions about the Bible, we are more than happy to provide you with our Catholic (or Orthodox, or any other Christian) understanding of it. But please, if you are going to ask questions, do not presuppose to already know the answers to them by phrasing them in the form of “Don’t you agree that the writers of the Bible are sinful?” or anything like that! As I said in my previous post, if I asked you “Don’t you think that Muhammad was a crazy person possessed by Satan and that Qur’an is false?”, you would say no, and rightfully so. This is not the way to have dialogue! It is not appropriate on a Christian forum, or anywhere else for that matter.
 
chrisse said:
It is very difficult for an active muslim when they come out of the warm and cosy surrounds of their cult into the fresh air, to find out that, no, the rest of the world doesn’t agree with them. Reality shock.
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It’s called self-righteousness. And I’m not blaming them; that’s the way they’ve been brought up. I blame Islam and its purveyors.

How self-righteous can it get? Take a look:

“Egypt - Islamic lawyers urge death sentence for convert,” from Compass Direct News, February 26:
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ISTANBUL, February 26 (*Compass Direct News* [compassdirect.org/en/display.php?page=news&lang=en&length=long&idelement=5826](http://www.compassdirect.org/en/display.php?page=news&lang=en&length=long&idelement=5826)) – In the latest hearing of a Muslim-born Egyptian’s effort to officially convert to Christianity, opposing lawyers advocated he be convicted of “apostasy,” or leaving Islam, and sentenced to death.

More than 20 Islamic lawyers attended the hearing on Sunday (Feb. 22) in Maher Ahmad El-Mo’otahssem Bellah El-Gohary’s case to obtain identification papers with Christianity designated as his religious affiliation. Two lawyers led the charge, Ahmed Dia El-Din and Abdel Al-Migid El-Anani.

“[El-Din] started to talk about **the Quran being in a higher position than the Bible,**” one of El-Gohary’s lawyers, Said Fayez, told Compass. “[El-Din said] **people can move to a higher religion but not down, so people cannot move away from Islam because it is highest in rank.**” [Emphasis added]
"That always raises the same question as the ‘people’s paradises’ behind the Iron Curtain (and in North Korea still): Really, how great are you if you have to kill people to keep them from leaving?" jihadwatch.org/archives/025027.php

And it also raises the question I have asked and have yet to see an answer: What if God bent down and whispered an un-Islamic thought into someone’s ear?
 
chrisse said:
It is very difficult for an active muslim when they come out of the warm and cosy surrounds of their cult into the fresh air, to find out that, no, the rest of the world doesn’t agree with them. Reality shock.
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Can I ask why you are so rude?
 
neploho said:
I would need to know exactly how you consider me wilfully blind.
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How do you explain to someone who is wilfully blind, how they are wilfully blind - they wilfully will not see.

Sir/Madam, I do not intend to enter into discussion with you as you are wilfully ignoring the persecution, slaughter, rape, and enslavement of those without a voice in today’s world under the systematic advancement and spread of Islam using the command’s of allah and mohammad. Ordained to not be question, ordained to be eternal and unchanged. The total debasement of humanity to behaviour not found even in animals to each other.

Go here sir/madam, and see one example (out of many every day) of this ideology in practice. Warning, 18+

What you call rude, I call speaking the truth.

Right now at the United Nations, the OIC (Organisation of Islamic Conference) - the largest block, is pushing to introduce shariah law on us - curtailing our freedom to criticise religion. We are now in the ridiculous position of SECULAR governments possibly having to enforce BLASPHEMY laws. The only people who will be silenced will be those speaking the truth about Islam - it will still be okay to blaspheme Christianity.
While this may not occur in Western countries immediately, it will be used to further persecute non-Muslims in countries where the political system is the Islamic political system.

You are now on ignore.****
 
well!!!

i may be incorrect but i do believe that the muslim religion is actually a form of Christianity.it may well be Blasephamos to some what i just said but lets take alook at what muslims actually believe…they believe that the jews and their holy book is incorect.in fact from the time of moses.(i could be mistaken)this is convenient because it is from moses that the prophecies of Jesus come to surface in jewish texts of religion.they also dont believe what we believe as Christians.that Jesus was crucified and that He is God…they believe He is a prophet…ofcause thats pointless.He may as well have been a painter!!
its like if some1 asked me to watch their glass of juice while they stepped out the room.i take the glass and smash it.then the person returns asks me what happened.i say huh?i dont no your glass just fell!!would the person believe me?would you believe me? but what if i said to the person that i turned and mistakingly knocked it over.would the person believe me now?would you believe me?both reasons are lies.but the latter is more convincing because i admit to some of the truth.but not the whole truth!!
likewise with muslims they accept some of Jesus but not all of Jesus.infact they dont believe the part that actually matters!!so in a way they are Christians but they are not true Christians.
is it not strange to muslims that the jews belief starts with their belief in the 1 true God.and the Christians too believe inthis 1 true God and accept the jews and their religion as part of theirs.but the muslims belief starts with the denial of 2 religions then goes onto what they believe.it does seem weird that something holy starts with a negative infact is full of negative reactions and has very little pro action!!

accept ofcause killing others by killing oneself to gain gifts in heaven!!does this not stink of greed instead of love?
 
chrisse said:
How do you explain to someone who is wilfully blind, how they are wilfully blind - they wilfully will not see.

Sir/Madam, I do not intend to enter into discussion with you as you are wilfully ignoring the persecution, slaughter, rape, and enslavement of those without a voice in today’s world under the systematic advancement and spread of Islam using the command’s of allah and mohammad. Ordained to not be question, ordained to be eternal and unchanged. The total debasement of humanity to behaviour not found even in animals to each other.

Go here sir/madam, and see one example (out of many every day) of this ideology in practice. Warning, 18+**

What you call rude, I call speaking the truth.

Right now at the United Nations, the OIC (Organisation of Islamic Conference) - the largest block, is pushing to introduce shariah law on us - curtailing our freedom to criticise religion. We are now in the ridiculous position of SECULAR governments possibly having to enforce BLASPHEMY laws. The only people who will be silenced will be those speaking the truth about Islam - it will still be okay to blaspheme Christianity.
While this may not occur in Western countries immediately, it will be used to further persecute non-Muslims in countries where the political system is the Islamic political system.

You are now on ignore.**

So you refuse to give an example of how I am “blind”, go on a rather curious diatribe (a very generous description), and then place me on ignore.

Very mature.

I am male by the way.
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WAYNE_LEYDS said:
well!!!

i may be incorrect but i do believe that the muslim religion is actually a form of Christianity.
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Well, to begin with, both Jews and Christians believe God made a covenant with man that He cannot break. Where is Allah’s unbreakable covenant with man? God gave Jews and Christians the Ten Commandments. Where are the same commandments in Islam? Christians and Jews believe that [at least part of] God’s nature is knowable; Muslims believe that only Allah’s will is knowable [how they can claim this is a mystery because they also believe he is not bound by anything and can change his mind at any time].

Then there is the love of God in the Bible and the love of Allah in the Qur’an answering-islam.org/Gilchrist/love.html .

As far as Jesus goes, the one thing that Muslims adamantly deny is that Jesus died on the cross. Why is that? Because the whole case for Islam collapses if it is true, and if it is true, Islam is false. answering-islam.org/Authors/Wood/deceptive_god.htm

You can always point to similarities between any two ideologies, like even Satan believes in God; but does that make Evil like Christianity and Judaism?
 
neploho said:
So you refuse to give an example of how I am “blind”, go on a rather curious diatribe (a very generous description), and then place me on ignore.
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OK. In all fairness, perhaps we were reading something into your question, after all, it did come from the blue. For beginners, tell us what you know about the Crusades – what they were, why they were fought.
 
sedonaman said:
OK. In all fairness, perhaps we were reading something into your question, after all, it did come from the blue. For beginners, tell us what you know about the Crusades – what they were, why they were fought.
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How is that relevant?
 
i was actually hoping a muslim replied. but you are correct. but my point was that as much as they dont believe in Jesus their belief that He is prophet is pointless.
 
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