Ask about Islam round 3!

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Muslim_Woman said:
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If he is a true Prophet of God Almighty ,then think , how will u face God on the final day for spreading such hatread about God’s messenger ?
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We could say the same thing about any and all the false prophets that have arisen since Jesus. Are we to structure our lives such that, on the outside chance, one of them is a messenger from God? Perhaps all of them are God’s messengers. Most of them probably contradict each other. What then? Consider also if Jesus is the Son of God, and the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity who died for our sins; how you will face Him on the last day for denying his Divinity?

As I posted before, any person, man or woman, can stand up and claim to have a message from God. But the question is how are the rest of us to know whether or not that individual is actually God’s messenger of truth or if they are just pretending or delusional? What objective evidence or proofs are available to demonstrate that an individual is speaking as God’s appointed messenger? What proofs does that individual messenger point to as evidence to substantiate his claims?

In Mohammed’s case, he put himself in an inescapable dilemma: On the one hand, Mohammed performs no miracles. So, in order to demonstrate that he is not making up the Koran by himself, he must appeal to previous apostles and scriptures as confirmation of his validity. The frequency with which Mohammed does so itself demonstrates that it is absolutely necessary for him to do so and that he understands this necessity. But, on the other hand, if Mohammed affirms previous apostles and scriptures as being sent from God in order to support his own authenticity, then Mohammed becomes subject to comparison with their teachings. Since Mohammed himself necessarily affirms the divine origin of Judeo-Christian apostles and scriptures, we can thereby invalidate Mohammed’s teaching (and all of Islam) if Mohammed’s words in the Koran contradict the previous apostles and scriptures that he so frequently and necessarily affirms. Simply put, if Mohammed and the Koran are contradicted by the very proof that they appeal to, then we can and should conclude that Islam is incorrect. For if Islam was from God, it would contain no errors or contradictions.

While the Koran repeatedly affirms and relies upon the Judeo-Christian scriptures, it specifically denies the main premises of both Testaments.

With regard to Judaism and the Old Testament:
  1. The Koran denies the unique position of the Jews as God’s Chosen People, uniquely chosen apart from all other nations and descending through Isaac alone.
  2. The Koran denies the necessity of keeping the Law of Moses.
With regard to Christianity and the New Testament, particularly the Gospels:
  1. The Koran denies that Jesus is the Son of God and the Trinitarian view of God.
  2. The Koran denies that Jesus was crucified to atone for men’s sins and that he rose from the dead three days later. [Our friend planten even goes so far as to say Jesus fainted, regained consciousness, and then got up.]
Consequently, by denying Numbers 1 and two above, the Koran actually denies the Gospel message itself, which the Koran repeatedly affirms and relies upon as a predecessor.

Consequently, since Mohammed’s evidence for the Koran and Islam are based entirely upon appeals to these other scriptures combined with the assertion that the Koran is flawless, the entire supportive evidence for the Koran and Islam [and Mohammed’s prophethood] is wiped out as a result of these contradictions with Judeo-Christian scripture.

Source: biblestudying.net/islam1.html
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Muslim_Woman said:
In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

If Muhammed (pbuh) is a fake Prophet , you don’t have to bring nasty allegation as God is enough to punish him . If he is a true Prophet of God Almighty ,then think , how will u face God on the final day for spreading such hatread about God’s messenger ?

I request you to read the biography of the last Prophet .If u do , then u will know that non-Muslims offer him money , power , women everything a man can ask for in exchange of stop preaching of oneness of God.
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why would I waste time reading a biography of your so called prophet? I would rather read a good novel, secular philosophy, something that advances my career, etc. I know enough about Muslims to know I could never be stupid enough to join you or for that matter even like you.

Your people are mired in ignorance, poverty, war, violence, etc. etc. Come hang with some atheists for a while. You will find we are law abiding, loyal to our spouses, among the highest in terms of intellectual aptitude, prosperous, productive, enjoyable to hang out with, etc. In fact we don’t even have all the social problems that are common among the Christians who love to bash us. We don’t beat our wives, we don’t sleep with our family members, we’re rarely drunks or addicts of any sort, we aren’t pedophiles, etc.

We are what you guys would like to be, but don’t think you can be without the guidance of an invisible friend. 😛
 
It is interesting that when it comes to any possible sin in Muhammad “God is enough to punish him”, yet for many other Islamic believers that have the misfortune of living in countries with judicial codes based upon the Qur’an God is apparently not enough to punish them. Instead the state punishes them for preceived religious offenses. Hmmm.
 
dzheremi said:
It is interesting that when it comes to any possible sin in Muhammad “God is enough to punish him”, yet for many other Islamic believers that have the misfortune of living in countries with judicial codes based upon the Qur’an God is apparently not enough to punish them.
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Instead the state punishes them for preceived religious offenses. Hmmm.
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Hence, any disagreement with Mohammed is a political crime, maybe even treason.
 
humble_in_doubt said:
why would I waste time reading a biography of your so called prophet? I would rather read a good novel, secular philosophy, something that advances my career, etc. I know enough about Muslims to know I could never be stupid enough to join you or for that matter even like you.

Your people are mired in ignorance, poverty, war, violence, etc. etc. Come hang with some atheists for a while. You will find we are law abiding, loyal to our spouses, among the highest in terms of intellectual aptitude, prosperous, productive, enjoyable to hang out with, etc. In fact we don’t even have all the social problems that are common among the Christians who love to bash us. We don’t beat our wives, we don’t sleep with our family members, we’re rarely drunks or addicts of any sort, we aren’t pedophiles, etc.

We are what you guys would like to be, but don’t think you can be without the guidance of an invisible friend. 😛
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** Humble and in doubt, Who is trying to convert you? We do not need people like you. You were posting on this forum about Muhammad and Islam. So Muslim Woman advised you to read something about the life of Muhammad. That was only a fair advice.

You are already in a lot of trouble. You are mighty afraid of any book on the life of Muhammad. You feel that if you ever touch that book, you will fall a prey to the Truth. Don’t be afraid of the Truth.

If you decide not to read any book about our prophet Muhammad then please do not post about him here. Thanks.**
 
planten said:
** Humble and in doubt, Who is trying to convert you? We do not need people like you. You were posting on this forum about Muhammad and Islam. So Muslim Woman advised you to read something about the life of Muhammad. That was only a fair advice.

You are already in a lot of trouble. You are mighty afraid of any book on the life of Muhammad. You feel that if you ever touch that book, you will fall a prey to the Truth. Don’t be afraid of the Truth.

If you decide not to read any book about our prophet Muhammad then please do not post about him here. Thanks.**
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who are you to tell me where to post or not to post (let me guess, next you will threaten to kill me or some sort of violent manifestation of your twisted world view, as I understand is the savagery your religion teaches its members)? Might I suggest you are afraid to hear the truth about your so called prophet, who could not have been a prophet of any good god that’s for sure. No god I’ve ever heard of chooses wicked men for good purposes.

I won’t be intimidated by savages. If the Catholics want to kick me off this thing or censor me then that’s their prerogative, but until then I’ll speak my mind in as polite a manner as possible.
 
Isn’t that the greatest con job? The idea that some invisible god has chosen little old you, otherwise a loser in life, to be his special little person:D

It’s too funny; but I guess it’s a good ego boost for those who are otherwise lost due to their own ignorance, complacency, and bad choices?
 
humble_in_doubt said:
Isn’t that the greatest con job? The idea that some invisible god has chosen little old you, otherwise a loser in life, to be his special little person:D

It’s too funny; but I guess it’s a good ego boost for those who are otherwise lost due to their own ignorance, complacency, and bad choices?
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Yep, that’s pretty much the idea of religion, you know. God created little ol’ me, and chose me to be his special little person. I’m sorry, but to make such a statement about any religion is an attack on all religions. So, by your own general words at least, you have just called most others on this forum lost due to our own ignorance, complacency, and bad choices. Thank you for revealing that little old you are so great and wise. Come everyone, let’s listen to what this guy says because he thinks we’re all stupid.🤷

Ah, my humor stinks. I don’t think I have, but forgive me if I’ve misinterpreted you. Some of the posters here are kinda rabid, you know. Gotta be careful, I think some of them would do more than just kick you off the forum. Eh, that’s what happens when it’s cyberspace.
 
The_Fool said:
Ah, my humor stinks. I don’t think I have, but forgive me if I’ve misinterpreted you. Some of the posters here are kinda rabid, you know. Gotta be careful, I think some of them would do more than just kick you off the forum. Eh, that’s what happens when it’s cyberspace.
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ahh gotta love that good old Christian love. Love em when they agree, kill them or try your best to silence them when they don’t. And you guys call me a heretic or evil or whatever? IMO religion is just insanity.
 
Muslim_Woman said:
** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **

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Salah - What’s your excuse for not worshipping the one , true God ?

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“When you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, who like to stand and pray in the synagogues and on street corners so that others may see them.” (Mt. 6:5)

Vickie
 
Wow - those pictures blew out my computer monitor for viewing the posts. Can those pics be edited to shrink them? 🤷
 
humble_in_doubt said:
Isn’t that the greatest con job? The idea that some invisible god has chosen little old you, otherwise a loser in life, to be his special little person:D
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Not a con job, just a response to a natural human need (to seek out the riddles of existence). How is your anti-religious stance a better solution to those riddles?

And how do you know the other posters here are losers by the way? Do you know how much money they make? By what standard do you judge them?
It’s too funny; but I guess it’s a good ego boost for those who are otherwise lost due to their own ignorance, complacency, and bad choices?
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Possibly, but I think it’s far more complicated than that.
 
humble_in_doubt said:
ahh gotta love that good old Christian love. Love em when they agree, kill them or try your best to silence them when they don’t. And you guys call me a heretic or evil or whatever? IMO religion is just insanity.
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Nope, you’re not a heretic unless my definition of heretic is off. It probably is. I don’t think you’re evil though, unless you’re screwtape or something like that:p. As for whatever… hmm, you know, I don’t think I’ve ever described someone like that before; it’s sort of like how people use nouns in the place of adjectives, verbs, adverbs, etc.

IMO, insanity includes the flouting of social norms, so if we’re the norm and insane, are we no longer insane? Hmm, here I always thought thinking lead to insanity. That hitchhiker guy didn’t seem that religious, but he sure had a lot of wacky stuff in his books. Anyway, don’t worry, we’re mostly harmless.😃
 
Booklover said:
“When you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, who like to stand and pray in the synagogues and on street corners so that others may see them.” (Mt. 6:5)

Vickie
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Meh, we’re assuming they’re there to be seen. I like to think people are sincere (a drawback, I know) and that at least most of them weren’t there to have their photos taken. The huge group, just think of our WYD. The people in the street, I’ll assume they lost track of time, but yeah some of them do seem posed. I can imagine some of those people in front of an abortion clinic though, so I don’t really see what the big deal is about public prayer unless they’re loudly and vocally calling God to smite you and yours. Hey, does this mean I have to break off prayers and hide every time I see a camera?😛
 
MUSLIM WOMAN :

Please do not post that many pictures.

Secondly, I already scroll past your posts because they are mostly irrelevant to the topic, but propaganda from other people.

You are completely unable to express your own opinion, that is clear, however the standards of the majority of your posts are beyond reasonable and of no value to any of the debates you participate in.
 
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