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[Nickkname]

**The Quran denied Trinity because it was all wrong concept according to Torah too. Church has the one God and three gods. How they are mixed up, church can never explain. So it is the problem of the church, not Quran.

Our belief is exactly the same as the strict monotheistic belief of the Jews. So there are many votes against you.Look at the teachings of Abraham and Issac and Jacob and Moses and all other prophets of God. They never taught those things that church is teaching. i.e. is man God (Jesus) and a spirit god (HS) and a Father god. This is nowhere in any earlier scripture and also not in the latest testament, that is Quran.**

You have not answered the question.

The Church believes in one God, the God. How could the Church believe in ONE God and THREE gods at the same time? It would not make sense on any level. But the fact is the Church believes in only one God. The Trinity is the union of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit - the three Divine Persons - in the one God. Each of the three Persons is God because each of the Persons is in God. So there is only one God and three Persons within Him.

The Trinity is not the Father, Jesus, and the Spirit, nor is Jesus a man whom we worship as God. Rather, the Trinity is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit; Jesus is the Son Incarnate; and we know He is the Son Incarnate because He Himself said so, and He is the Truth itself, being God Himself (God is Truth), so how can He decieve or be decieved?

But of course Muslims can fall back on the belief that the Word of God has been corrupted by men, while the Koran is not corrupted. And I mean that with no disrespect to Islam, because we Christians too believe that the Word of God is not corrupted.

 

[reggieM]

The three persons share one nature of God. The Catholic Church proclaims belief in One God. To state otherwise is to misrepresent what is taught.

 

[Angelos]

Since there is no verse in the Quran stating that Jesus was born without the agency of a father, we need not discuss this subjet. There are only indications as if Jesus was born without a father.

Surah 19:19-20
He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son. She said: **How can I have a son when no mortal hath touched me, neither have I been unchaste ? **

Your scripture says Jesus was born without the agency of a father! Your uncanny denial of the facts in the Koran almost makes me conclude that you are an Atheist pretending to be Muslim!

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Now we come to the bible. What does bible say? Does the bible say clearly that Jesus was born without a father? I hope not**. In fact, the case of bible in this subject is very weak. So it is better not to believe in it any more, i.e. the super natural birth of Jesus.

Dear planten, we are not here to debate what you hope or not about Christianity. If you want to be sure that the New Testament relates Jesus’ miraculous conception, you should read the first chapter of Matthew and Luke!

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Also because angelos does not like the Quranic version. Angelos is denying everything that is in the Quran about Jesus birth.
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I only want to know the reason for Jesus’ miraculous conception in the Koran! That’s so simple.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace

… Christians only believe in one God, the God, the Lord. So, why dose Allah not understand this?

Allah condemns those who pray to other diety besides one true creator.

To believe that God has son or daugter or partner , these are all blasphemy .

Hindus worship almost everything such as sun , fire , snake , elephant , cow etc.

God did not mention each & every name but warned not to take any deity besides Him.

related verses :

And they set up rivals to Allaah,

to mislead (people) from His path!

Say (O Muhammad, to the polytheists):

‘Enjoy (your brief life)!

But certainly, your destination is the Fire!’”

[Quran 14:30]

Verily, Allâh forgives not that partners should be set up with him in worship,

but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He pleases, and whoever sets up partners with Allâh in worship,

he has indeed invented a tremendous sin.

4:48

 

[reggieM]

Salaam/peace
Allah condemns those who pray to other diety besides one true creator.

Catholics worship one true God.

And they set up rivals to Allaah,

to mislead (people) from His path!

Say (O Muhammad, to the polytheists):

‘Enjoy (your brief life)!

This has nothing to do with Catholics (who Muhammed should have known about since he “borrowed” New Testament texts for his own). The three divine persons are not rivals - but are of one undivided nature. That’s basic Christianity.

Verily, Allâh forgives not that partners should be set up with him in worship, but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He pleases, and whoever sets up partners with Allâh in worship,
he has indeed invented a tremendous sin.

This can’t be referring to Catholics since we do not “set up partners” for God.

 

[cathopologist]

anyone including Muslims if associate partner with God , won’t be able to see the last Prophet (p) in heaven .

They will be in fire

I do not know if my soul is worthy of entering heaven. But you seem so sure of yourself and your prophet. Your religion is no different than John Calvin’s.

One thing i know for sure; nothing unclean will enter heaven. Mohammad is* far* from being a clean person****.****

 

[planten]

You have not answered the question.

The Church believes in one God, the God. How could the Church believe in ONE God and THREE gods at the same time? It would not make sense on any level. But the fact is the Church believes in only one God. The Trinity is the union of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit - the three Divine Persons - in the one God. Each of the three Persons is God because each of the Persons is in God. So there is only one God and three Persons within Him.

The Trinity is not the Father, Jesus, and the Spirit, nor is Jesus a man whom we worship as God. Rather, the Trinity is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit; Jesus is the Son Incarnate; and we know He is the Son Incarnate because He Himself said so, and He is the Truth itself, being God Himself (God is Truth), so how can He decieve or be decieved?

But of course Muslims can fall back on the belief that the Word of God has been corrupted by men, while the Koran is not corrupted. And I mean that with no disrespect to Islam, because we Christians too believe that the Word of God is not corrupted.

** So now it all boils down to the word “son”. I feel that terminology of the son was in use before too and other people were also called son/ jacob was called the son of God and the First born too.

We Muslims have every objection to your son business too in good faith, not to malign you, but in reality, we would request you to come to reality and use real terms about son or about begotten son. Thanks.**

 

[palmas85]

Browse the thread. The Muslim apologists either don’t want to, or can’t answer the tough questions about Islam.

Of course they don’t. They never have.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace

This can’t be referring to Catholics since we do not “set up partners” for God.

you do have more than one diety , that is setting up partners with God .

Jesus (p) had a God like we have , he always prayed to God , not to himself . Did he ever say , now I will pray to myself ?

 

[LutheranDK]

Salaam/peace

you do have more than one diety , that is setting up partners with God .

Jesus (p) had a God like we have , he always prayed to God , not to himself . Did he ever say , now I will pray to myself ?

Christians do NOT have more than one deity!
We worship ONE God - the Triune Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Btw, did you ever reply to my post? I believe it was #119

 

[reggieM]

Salaam/peace
you do have more than one diety , that is setting up partners with God .

If you’re going to try to criticize Catholicism, it’s best to understand what our faith teaches. In this case, you’re talking about a different religion (as the Koran did also) since we do not have more than one diety or set up partners with God.

You’re inventing a different kind of religion – not Catholicism. So your criticism is based on a fundamental misunderstanding. Muslims should know this since Catholicism predates Muhammad’s message.

Jesus (p) had a God like we have , he always prayed to God , not to himself . Did he ever say , now I will pray to myself ?

This again is confusion. It’s understandable since Catholicism is not a religion that can be understood fully on a surface level – by merely reading some Bible passages, for example.

In this case, you might wonder why Jesus prayed at all. But this is explained in the Catholic teaching on the union of divine and human in Jesus. He is “true God and true man”.

This is what the Nicene Creed says.

Therefore, Jesus, as a man – prays to the Father – as a man. His sacrifice on the Cross was his offering of Himself to the Father. If Jesus was “just human” (as the heretical movements that influenced Mohammed claimed), then his sacrifice on the Cross would be that merely of a man – a martyr, but not one making an offering for the eternal redemption of humanity.

So, it’s the “offering of God” – through the incarnation (becoming flesh) and the Cross, that brings salvation. It is God offering His infinite self, for the salvation of his children.

Claiming that Catholicism has “more than one diety” is attacking something that Catholicism has never claimed.

I would suggest that you read the Catechism of the Catholic Church to understand the Catholic Faith.

 

[Booklover]

Salaam/peace

you do have more than one diety , that is setting up partners with God .

Oh, please, not this nonsense again! Well, in that case, the same can be said of Muslims! Every time you say your shahada, “There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is his prophet” you’re ascribing Muhammad as a partner to God. Don’t you also believe that obeying Muhammad is just as obeying Allah? Doesn’t that put him on a par with Allah?

Vickie

 

[cathopologist]

Doesn’t that put him on a par with Allah?

Vickie

Muslim, Book 004, Number 0747:
“'Abdullah b. Amr b. al-As reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: When you hear the Mu’adhdhin, repeat what he says, then invoke a blessing on me, for everyone who invokes a blessing on me will receive ten blessings from Allah; then beg from Allah al-Wasila for me, which is a rank in Paradise fitting for only one of Allah’s servants, and I hope that I may be that one*. If anyone who asks that I be given the Wasila, he will be assured of my intercession*.”

Apparently, it does.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace

Surah 5:116

"And when Allah will say: O Isa son of Marium! did you say to men, Take me and my mother for two gods

… very hard to explain if it is the Word of God.

this has been answered more than once.

If u pray to anyone besides/ except God , this is the most major sin . Only punishment is eternal fire if die without repentance.

Christians in the past & present committed this major sin by praying to Jesus (p) , Mother Mary (p) etc. God warned all not to do this.

"And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah;

…Jews have NEVER claimed that Ezra is the son of God.

answered before. Jews in the past made that mistake.

a related link :

Was Uzayr (Ezra) Called The Son Of God?

[jews-for-allah.org/jewish-mythson-islam/ezra-not-called-son.htm](Was cUzayr (Ezra) Called The Son Of God?)

Surah 5:69:

"Surely those who believe and those who are Jews and the Sabians and the Christians

verses 72-73 seems to contradict verse 69.

answered already. No prophets (pbut) taught anyone to take other diety besides God.

There were always some people who obeyed one God only. They will enter paradise.

Those who committed shirk/blasphemy by inventing trinity & worhipping creations will be punished on the last day. Where is the contradiction ?

a related link :

The Condition of Some of the People of the Scriptures and their Rewards

Verily, those who were given knowledge before it,

when it is recited to them,

fall down on their faces in humble prostration.’’

And they say: "Glory be to our Lord!

Truly, the promise of our Lord must be fulfillled.’’

And they fall down on their faces weeping and it increases their humility.)

[17:107- 109].

tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=3&tid=10279

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace

…Don’t you also believe that obeying Muhammad is just as obeying Allah? Doesn’t that put him on a par with Allah?

Vickie

answered already. Whenever a Prophet came , it was a must for people of that time to obey him .

Prophets were chosen by God & disobeying/ refusing Prophet means you are disobeying God.

Jews were cursed in the past because they disobeyed / killed & tried to kill some Prophets including Jesus (p) .

We obey Prophets but don’t worship any of them .

 

[reggieM]

Jews were cursed in the past because they disobeyed / killed & tried to kill some Prophets including Jesus (p) .

We obey Prophets but don’t worship any of them .

Jesus taught that the Holy Spirit would “guide us to all truth” and that we should ask the Father in Jesus’ name to send the Holy Spirit.

There is this duality in Islam where God sends the Holy Spirit.

 

[Angelos]

this has been answered more than once.

this has been evaded by Muslims more than once.

Christians in the past & present committed this major sin by praying to Jesus (p) , Mother Mary (p) etc. God warned all not to do this.

Where does God in the Koran warn Christians not to venerate Mary and other saints?? Where does God in the Koran accuse Christians of praying directly to Mary and the saints??? You must be reading a different and modern version of the Islamic scripture.

answered before. Jews in the past made that mistake.

a related link :

Was Uzayr (Ezra) Called The Son Of God?

[jews-for-allah.org/jewish-mythson-islam/ezra-not-called-son.htm](Was cUzayr (Ezra) Called The Son Of God?)

Which Jews? All or some? When? Where???

No Muslim scholar can deny the fact that the authors of the Koran falsely accused Jews of calling Uzair or Esdra the Son of God. Jewish history as well as the sacred scripture and other texts of Judaism rebut this ludicrous claim and lie in the Koran. It is apparent that Mohammad’s scribes made up this story only to present Jews and Christians as members of two faiths having a similar tenet. Every rational person knows well it is by no means a coincidence that the name Uzair in association with Jewish doctrines occurs only in one of the latest chapters of the Koran. More, this false allegation functions to justify the verse that commands Muslims to fight and humiliate all non-Muslims.

Those who committed shirk/blasphemy by inventing trinity & worhipping creations will be punished on the last day.

Accordingly, the authors of the Koran will be punished on the last day for slandering Jewish and Christian faith and for inventing a false Trinity with strong sexual connotations.

 

[planten]

Jesus taught that the Holy Spirit would “guide us to all truth” and that we should ask the Father in Jesus’ name to send the Holy Spirit.

There is this duality in Islam where God sends the Holy Spirit.

**That is correct. We believe that is what he meant. But the spirit lands on some one or enters one as it is shown in the bible. Jesus was also helped by God with the holy spirit. So was Muhammad. It was the holy spirit which visited Muhammad and started revealing the last testament i.e. Quran.

Believe me it is all written in the Quran. Jesus was strengthened by the holy spirit. (Quran verse 2:253). In the bible NT also while Jesus was praying in the garden before his arrest, it is written that he was being strengthened byan angel. Please just think over this. Why a god would need to be strenghtened?

We Muslims believe in every good thing about Jesus and we love him ( As a prophet) and his mother. People in his own time also believed that he was a prophet of God. It is written in the bible NT.

Jews accused himof blasphemy and the christians are providing the proof for that. That they were right.**

 

[reggieM]

That is correct. We believe that is what he meant. But the spirit lands on some one or enters one as it is shown in the bible. Jesus was also helped by God with the holy spirit. So was Muhammad. It was the holy spirit which visited Muhammad and started revealing the last testament i.e. Quran.

As I see it, Muhammad took the term “Holy Spirit” from the New Testament. That term is used inconsistently in the Koran and the notion that the term refers to an angel strikes me as a fabrication that came later. The term “Holy Spirit” has a specific meaning – it’s a Christian term. It really has no place to fit in Islam but it’s forced into a novel concept.

Believe me it is all written in the Quran. Jesus was strengthened by the holy spirit. (Quran verse 2:253). In the bible NT also while Jesus was praying in the garden before his arrest, it is written that he was being strengthened byan angel. Please just think over this. Why a god would need to be strenghtened?

The hypostatic union. That’s why.

We Muslims believe in every good thing about Jesus and we love him ( As a prophet) and his mother. People in his own time also believed that he was a prophet of God. It is written in the bible NT.

It is written in the Bible NT: (John 8:58) “before Abraham was, I Am”

Jews accused himof blasphemy and the christians are providing the proof for that. That they were right.

The Jews accused Him of blasphemy because he said:

“We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” (John 10:33)

Jn. 10:30-33 - “I and the Father are one”

Mt. 26:63 - “I adjure you by the Living God that you tell us if you are the Christ the Son of God. Jesus said: Thou hast said it… and you shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of the power of God.”

 

[anon52328184]

maybe this has been discussed, but can you explain if there is a messiah in islam that will return to earth or prophecy of the end of the world.

i thought i had read one time that ahmadinejad thought that the messiah might be coming soon and he would come with jesus. is that true?