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[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace

…why is there a constant replay of the plane going into the twin towers? I dont know about anyone else, but that clip disturbs me greatly.

opps sorry . 20 minutes is over & I can’t edit the post now .

this is a video link . U may watch it to know what Islam tells about terrorism.

 

[dzheremi]

Muslim Woman, an Islamic aplogetics site does not answer my post. I wrote that there is genuine disagreement between Muslims as to what is meant by the verses in the Quran that seem to extol violence and call it a religious duty. The presence of that site, however well intentioned, does nothing to resolve the central fact that preserves the eternal conflict that causes the disagreement in the first place. That is a lack of central authority that is a hallmark of Islam (just as it also troubles Protestant Christianity, lest you think I am being anti-Islam). This does not seem resolvable without changing some of the central precepts of the religion, which I don’t expect is likely to happen in my lifetime, or yours, or probably those of anyone else on these boards. Muslims themselves will pay for this ambiguity, as they and non-Muslims have likewise paid in the past and continue to pay in the present.

The point of the last line in my post was to say: Yes, it is possible to practice Islam peacefully. I know Muslims who are peaceful, kind, and truly wonderful people. In fact, I don’t personally know any Muslims who openly call for violence against anyone (at least not in front of me in English, which is good, because that would sure be a dumb thing to do). This is a good thing. But some people within Islam suggest that the violent acts that are called for in the Quran are to be seen as a duty by all the “true” Muslims, not to be interpreted as telling of the early history of Islam and Muhammad’s rise (read: not applicable to relations with today’s Christians, Jews, and other non-Muslims). These people, I have read on this forum and elsewhere, demand violent jihad as they insist the Quran and its prophet also do. Whether or not they are a majority or a minority within the ummah as a whole is not, strictly speaking, my concern. But it should be the concern of every Muslim, at least. Because these people are saying that you cannot truly, completely submit without upholding the violent interpretations. And when I come here and read Planten and others try to justify the violence (“the so-called ‘terrorists’…” or whatever, as though it is a small minority of world opinion that would call suicide bombing, beheadings, and kidnapping in the name of Islam “terrorism”! Get real, Muslims!), I can only conclude that the lunatics are running the Muhammadean asylum, because those anti-terrorist Muslims that we are told are the majority are not actually doing anything to rein in their people.

So again: Is it possible to practice Islam completely peacefully? From an outsider’s perspective, it would seem that Islam itself is torn between the completeness of its message (which includes both peace and violence) and the peacefulness Muslims see within their own religion. And why wouldn’t they see such peace? THEY weren’t ordered to pay the jizya so that “they feel themselves subdued”, and it isn’t THEIR forefathers who were physically coerced into accepting Islam or enslaved and murdered if they refused…except it generally was…

 

[Americanrevert]

**Hello,

To our Islamic friends.Adam was not born but created: Christ was born without a father. The creation of Adam was in this respect similar to the creation of the world, and the lower animals; whereas the Qur’an itself says that Christ’s supernatural birth took place through God’s purpose to give men a sign, and this is not to said of any other prophet’s birth. To Abraham and Zecharias there was promised, according to the Qur’an a “wise son,” “a righteous prophet.” But regarding Christ’s birth the language used is very different, for Mary it is said, “Her who kept her maidenhood, and into whom We breathed Our spirit, and made her and her son a sign as without parallel. The same language is used neither of Mohammed nor of anyone else. Why is this, except because Christ is superior to all onther prophets?

Why did God chose to interrupt the natural course of event in this way.

Yes, in Islam Adam was indeed created. Jesus was also created. They are similar in that respect. Yes, no other person or prophet ever was created like Jesus (in him peace).

Allah states in the Quran that yes, he is a sign, doesn’t say he is God or the son of God.

Allah explains it beautifully in the Quran

Quran 3:45 (Remember) when the angels said: “O Maryam (Mary)! Verily, Allah gives you the glad tidings of a Word (“Be!” - and he was! i.e. Iesa (jesus) the son of Maryam (Mary)) from Him, his name will be the Messiah Iesa (jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), held in honour in this world and in the Hereafter, and will be one of those who are near to Allah.”

إِذْ قَالَتِ الْمَلَائِكَةُ يَا مَرْيَمُ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يُبَشِّرُكِ بِكَلِمَةٍ مِنْهُ اسْمُهُ الْمَسِيحُ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ وَجِيهًا فِي الدُّنْيَا وَالْآخِرَةِ وَمِنَ الْمُقَرَّبِينَ​

Quran 3:48 And He (Allah) will teach him (Iesa (jesus)) the Book and Al-Hikmah (i.e. the Sunnah, the faultless speech of the Prophets, wisdom, etc.), (and) the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel).

وَيُعَلِّمُهُ الْكِتَابَ وَالْحِكْمَةَ وَالتَّوْرَاةَ وَالْإِنْجِيلَ​

Quran 3:49 And will make him (Iesa (jesus)) a Messenger to the Children of Israel (saying): "I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that I design for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allahs Leave; and I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I bring the dead to life by Allahs Leave. And I inform you of what you eat, and what you store in your houses. Surely, therein is a sign for you, if you believe.

وَرَسُولًا إِلَىٰ بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ أَنِّي قَدْ جِئْتُكُمْ بِآيَةٍ مِنْ رَبِّكُمْ ۖ أَنِّي أَخْلُقُ لَكُمْ مِنَ الطِّينِ كَهَيْئَةِ الطَّيْرِ فَأَنْفُخُ فِيهِ فَيَكُونُ طَيْرًا بِإِذْنِ اللَّهِ ۖ وَأُبْرِئُ الْأَكْمَهَ وَالْأَبْرَصَ وَأُحْيِي الْمَوْتَىٰ بِإِذْنِ اللَّهِ ۖ وَأُنَبِّئُكُمْ بِمَا تَأْكُلُونَ وَمَا تَدَّخِرُونَ فِي بُيُوتِكُمْ ۚ إِنَّ فِي ذَ‌ٰلِكَ لَآيَةً لَكُمْ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ مُؤْمِنِينَ​

Quran 3:52 Then when Iesa (jesus) came to know of their disbelief, he said: “Who will be my helpers in Allahs Cause?” Al-Hawarioon (the disciples) said: “We are the helpers of Allah; we believe in Allah, and bear witness that we are Muslims (i.e. we submit to Allah).”

فَلَمَّا أَحَسَّ عِيسَىٰ مِنْهُمُ الْكُفْرَ قَالَ مَنْ أَنْصَارِي إِلَى اللَّهِ ۖ قَالَ الْحَوَارِيُّونَ نَحْنُ أَنْصَارُ اللَّهِ آمَنَّا بِاللَّهِ وَاشْهَدْ بِأَنَّا مُسْلِمُونَ​

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For your question, there was no interruption. Allah decided and He willed it that’s it. This proves that Allah is the One over all the decisions. Not Jesus, His Creation. Allah already knows who will believe and who will not. Jesus was another wonderful sign of our Creator to the disbelievers yet again! This makes him not superior, just a blessing and a beautiful messenger of God. (on him peace).

thank you

americanrevert
**

 

[dolphinlove]

Salaam/peace

opps sorry . 20 minutes is over & I can’t edit the post now .

this is a video link . U may watch it to know what Islam tells about terrorism.

No, i see by the replay of what Muslims did as well.
I think when others see that posts as well, your not going to get many people watching the 20 min film.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace

Muslim Woman, an Islamic aplogetics site does not answer my post. I wrote that there is genuine disagreement between Muslims as to what is meant by the verses in the Quran that seem to extol violence and call it a religious duty.

Islam is indeed peaceful . To kill any innocent person is forbidden in Islam ; punishment is hell fire.

Even in war , Muslims must escort I repeat *escort enemy *to a safe place if he wants to hear the words of God.

I don’t know if any such verse can be found in other holy books.

We must tell the truth even it goes against us / our parent . We must not say nasty words against dieties of other faith.

So , Islam teaches us how to be peaceful.

Islam also teaches us NOT to tolerate injustice . If one slaps u , U can forgive him but must not turn other cheek . It will encourage him to do the injustice . If a sinner repents , he can be forgiven .

Otherwise , sinners must be punished to established peace & justice in the society.

We must protest against oppression.

God says in Quran :

And what is wrong with you that you fight not in the Cause of God,

and for those weak, illtreated and *oppressed among men, women, and children, *whose cry is:

"Our Lord!

Rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors;

and raise for us from You one who will protect, and raise for us from You one who will help."

( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #75)

Prophet said ( not the exact words ) : if u see anything wrong , correct it with your hand ; if u can’t do that , then protest it , if u can’t do that , then hate it & this is the weakest faith.

 

[Angelos]

**Hello,

Yes, in Islam Adam was indeed created. Jesus was also created. They are similar in that respect. Yes, no other person or prophet ever was created like Jesus (in him peace).**

Your answer is still evading the question why Jesus’ birth was a supernatural one!

**
Allah states in the Quran that yes, he is a sign, doesn’t say he is God or the son of God.**

And that statement is very vague since it fails to explain the meaning of the word “sign” with regard to Jesus’ nativity. Signs are used to express certain facts. In Islam, however, the purpose of Jesus’ sign is to confuse the minds of the believers.

**
Allah explains it beautifully in the Quran**

Since there is no explanation in the Koran, it is imppossible to designate it as beautiful.

**
Quran 3:45** (Remember) when the angels said: “O Maryam (Mary)! Verily, Allah gives you the glad tidings of a Word (“Be!” - and he was! i.e. Iesa (jesus) the son of Maryam (Mary)) from Him, his name will be the Messiah Iesa (jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), held in honour in this world and in the Hereafter, and will be one of those who are near to Allah.”

This verse fails to explain the reasons for Jesus’ miraculous conception, but illustrates how Muslims are good at distorting their own scripture with their words and comments abruptly inserted into the text in brackets.

**
Quran 3:48 ** And He (Allah) will teach him (Iesa (jesus)) the Book and Al-Hikmah (i.e. the Sunnah, the faultless speech of the Prophets, wisdom, etc.), (and) the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel).

This verse is irrelevant to the current discussion.

**
Quran 3:49 ** And will make him (Iesa (jesus)) a Messenger to the Children of Israel (saying): "I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that I design for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allahs Leave; and I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I bring the dead to life by Allahs Leave. And I inform you of what you eat, and what you store in your houses. Surely, therein is a sign for you, if you believe.

These verses are irrelevant to our discussion.

**

Quran 3:52** Then when Iesa (jesus) came to know of their disbelief, he said: “Who will be my helpers in Allahs Cause?” Al-Hawarioon (the disciples) said: “We are the helpers of Allah; we believe in Allah, and bear witness that we are Muslims (i.e. we submit to Allah).”

These verses are irrelevant to our discussion.

**
For your question, there was no interruption. Allah decided and He willed it that’s it. This proves that Allah is the One over all the decisions. Not Jesus, His Creation. Allah already knows who will believe and who will not. Jesus was another wonderful sign of our Creator to the disbelievers yet again! This makes him not superior, just a blessing and a beautiful messenger of God. (on him peace).

thank you

americanrevert
**

Still, the question remains unanswered. The statement “Allah willed and did so” does not satisfy the ones questioning the tenets of Islam. Why did Allah will it ONLY for Jesus? This is another question Muslims are going to encounter soon. LOL

 

[Americanrevert]

**Hello and Assalaamu’alaykum,

There is some legitimate disagreement even among Muslims as to just what the Quran and Hadith mean in the verses that the terrorists often cite to justify their violence. So, while I agree that terrorists are power hungry and will do and say anything to get their way, I’m not so sure I can say that the religion does not agree with them. I think some interpretations of the religion most definitely do agree with them, and unfortunately some of those interpretations are very popular with the people and well supported financially and ideologically throughout the Muslim world.

Is is possible to practice Islam completely peacefully? I guess it depends on which word in that question you want to emphasize…

There is such a thing as God’s message. There are laws, rules, regulations and ordainments/decrees (like inheritance, divorce, etc.).

Islam doesn’t promote killing. Islam doesn’t promote terrorists. Islam doesn’t promote torture of innocents, women and children.

In saying this, when one reads verses in the Quran and they pick and choose what they think it means, in reality it can mean something totally different. Like the verse where it says kill them…etc…it talks about the disbelievers who broke the treaty between them and it was only fair to gain back that fairness. Say your wife, daughter or sister got raped in front of your eyes at knifepoint or gunpoint, and you are helpless. What do you want to do? Kiss and turn the other cheek and say welcome in my home take what you want, I forgive you? Islam is fair in this regard. An eye for an eye…Justice according to the rules of Islam are laid before Muslims to obey and not to go overboard and abuse them. Sure, many times forgiveness supersedes harshness, but that also has rules to what can be forgiveness by laymen. Islam is a way of life and like I always say, a prevention as well as a cure.

Many people you hear about today, like on the news etc. If they are going against Islam, the laws of God, and the sunnah of Mohammad sallaAllahu 'alayhi wa sellem, you cannot profess them to be a representative of Islam. One has no right to say they are obeying God.

If someone comes to you to tell you just the opposite of what you are hearing and you sit back and do nothing about it, this is ignorance in the making. One one hears things, the wise thing is to do is go and check it out for oneself is it not? Ask, check the accusations to see for oneself if it is indeed true or not. It is only common sense to do this. Otherwise to pronounce judgment on something one is ignorant about is assumptions that just spark feud’s.

americanrevert
**

 

[Americanrevert]

**oh boy angelos, good mornin to you

I do believe you have misunderstood again. Please read the posts again. I would say ignorance is not a bliss, but in your case, I think you admire it.

americanrevert**

 

[Angelos]

Salaam/peace
Islam is indeed peaceful . To kill any innocent person is forbidden in Islam ; punishment is hell fire.

It depends on whom Islam considers innocent. People who do not embrace Islam are not considered innocent in your scripture and are made targets for humiliation.

Even in war , Muslims must escort I repeat *escort enemy *to a safe place if he wants to hear the words of God.

This is not true since the Koran never advises Muslims to do so in the Koran. Actually, conducting wars on unbelievers is considered more significant than observing the commandments of the Islamic scripture.

I don’t know if any such verse can be found in other holy books.

How many holy books have you read so far? You cannot know before reading the other books.

We must tell the truth even it goes against us / our parent . We must not say nasty words against dieties of other faith.
So , Islam teaches us how to be peaceful.

The Koran repetitively calls non-Muslims idiots and fools. It slanders Jewish and Christian faith. It claims that the only true religion from above is Islam. The main project of the Koran is to make Islam the only dominant religion in the entire world through wars. Islam cannot be peaceful at all!!!

Islam also teaches us NOT to tolerate injustice . If one slaps u , U can forgive him but must not turn other cheek . It will encourage him to do the injustice . If a sinner repents , he can be forgiven.

What do you mean? Do you believe that God encourages injustice each time He forgives a sinner???

Otherwise , sinners must be punished to established peace & justice in the society.

This is what governments are for.

We must protest against oppression.

Sure. People being oppressed under the Islamic regime must protest.

God says in Quran :

And what is wrong with you that you fight not in the Cause of God,

and for those weak, illtreated and *oppressed among men, women, and children, *whose cry is:

"Our Lord!

Rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors;

and raise for us from You one who will protect, and raise for us from You one who will help."

( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #75)

Ironically, Muslims of our day have already taken the place of those oppressors condemned in the Koran. Those idolaters were said to persucute Muslims for not following paganism, today Muslims are persecuting non-Muslims for not embracing Islam.

 

[Angelos]

**oh boy angelos, good mornin to you

I do believe you have misunderstood again. Please read the posts again. I would say ignorance is not a bliss, but in your case, I think you admire it.

americanrevert**

Oh boy revert, good morning to you too.

I do believe you have misunderstood the Koran. Please read your scripture again. I would say ignorance is not a good thing for you since you are not claiming to be a prophet receiving verses from God.

 

[dzheremi]

Hello and Assalaamu’alaykum,

Thank you for your reply, and wa 'aleikum as-salaam.

Islam doesn’t promote killing. Islam doesn’t promote terrorists. Islam doesn’t promote torture of innocents, women and children

.

Again, this varies based on interpretation, and lacking central authority, everyone follows his own way.

Say your wife, daughter or sister got raped in front of your eyes at knifepoint or gunpoint, and you are helpless. What do you want to do? Kiss and turn the other cheek and say welcome in my home take what you want, I forgive you? Islam is fair in this regard. An eye for an eye

Well, what I would want to do in such a situation would probably not be the same was what Christianity commands me to do. I pray to God that I may never have to find out. But this is just another reason to prefer Christianity to Islam: Christianity attempts to elevate what is best in humanity, and transform what is worst. Islam appears to appeal to the opposite, with similarly opposite results.

Islam is a way of life and like I always say, a prevention as well as a cure.

How can it prevent or cure anything by allowing its followers to indulge their lowest nature?

If they are going against Islam, the laws of God, and the sunnah of Mohammad sallaAllahu 'alayhi wa sellem, you cannot profess them to be a representative of Islam. One has no right to say they are obeying God.

I am not saying that they are. I am not a Muslim, so it is not up to me to say who is or isn’t following Islam. I am giving you an outsider’s perspective so that you can see how and why non-Muslims look at Islam the way they do, despite Muslim claims that Islam is the most unified, the most perfect, the most peaceful and just religion in the world. It does not look that way to us. Not at all.

One one hears things, the wise thing is to do is go and check it out for oneself is it not? Ask, check the accusations to see for oneself if it is indeed true or not.

I agree with all this, but for obvious reasons it is insufficient in this situation. If I were to go to all the Muslims I know, and then to you, and then to Osama Bin Laden or some other controversial figure, you would all tell me that you are following Islam, but you would probably all give me different opinions of what “following Islam” means (aside from the central doctrines that you all share as Muslims, of course). So I would have to go to the Quran, to see how different people can read the verses in different ways that support their different interpretations. Then I would have to go to an Imam, to tell me which interpretation is right. Then maybe I would go to another and get a second opinion that is different, then to a third who tells me something different than the first two, and so on and so forth. Without central authority, where would it end? When could I be reasonably assured that I understand the verse as it is “supposed” to be understood? Is it a matter of “testimony”, like the Mormons? Do you just pick an Imam whose interpretation you most closely agree with? How far from “traditional” (Sunni, I guess?) Islam can you be before you are declared an apostate? Who has the right to declare a person an apostate from Islam, and on what grounds? Can the terrorists like al-Qaeda be told by mainstream Sunni Islam that they are no longer welcome? If so, why has this apparently not happened yet? Where are all the fatwas against their behavior?

NOTE: I don’t expect you, Americanrevert, or anyone else to answer any of these questions. They are not exactly rhetorical, but I am using them mostly to express the doubt that I have as to Islam’s “oneness”, “unity”, “practicality”, and any number of positive attributes that have been claimed about it that do not jive with the lawlessness inherent in this structure which tries to provide a framework for earthly living and government in the form of a divinely amorphous blob of laws, decrees, and circumlocutions that lend themselves to such chaos with unfortunately predictable results for all involved.

 

[inJESUS]

salaam, yes i know what he said. Adultery is punished by killing, theft is punished by mutilation and you said that sins can harm society and affect innocent people and cause unrest, yet words can do exactly the same and worse…why is there no killing punishment or no punishment on this earth for what is of greater damage than adultry?

 

[Sam_777]

Is is possible to practice Islam completely peacefully? I guess it depends on which word in that question you want to emphasize…

Yes, if you consider Islam as a secular law, and drooping more than 50% of Islam teaching.

 

[Sam_777]

Muslim Woman;4186204:

Salaam/peace

Yes, islam denounces terrorism?
Then why is there a constant replay of the plane going into the twin towers? I dont know about anyone else, but that clip disturbs me greatly.

:console:

 

[planten]

Your answer is still evading the question why Jesus’ birth was a supernatural one!

**Since there is no verse in the Quran stating that Jesus was born without the agency of a father, we need not discuss this subjet. There are only indications as if Jesus was born without a father.

Now we come to the bible. What does bible say? Does the bible say clearly that Jesus was born without a father? I hope not. In fact, the case of bible in this subject is very weak. So it is better not to believe in it any more, i.e. the super natural birth of Jesus.

Also because angelos does not like the Quranic version. Angelos is denying everything that is in the Quran about Jesus birth.
**

 

[Nickkname]

http://www.islamicity.com/graphics/BLRR.gif

With the name of ALLAH ( God Almighty)
-The Bestower Of Unlimited Mercy, The Continously Merciful

may peace & blessings of God be upon you

&&&&

Do you have any question about Islam , Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him ) or holy Quran ?

Pl. ask without using any nasty words .

InshaAllah ( God Willing ) , Muslims participants will try to answer

I have a question, but first, a clarification: in my question, I’m going to use “Allah” as a way to describe how Muslims view God, or, in other words, who God is according to Islam. This isn’t to say I believe Muslims worship a false god, but rather, I need to use the name “Allah” in order to make the question as clear as possible. And I hope that the question dose not offend anyone.

Okay, here’s my question: Why dose Allah, who is All-Knowing, and who promised to Mohammed that He would keep the Koran free from error, misunderstand the Christian belief of the Trinity? In the Koran Allah says Christians believe in three gods; however, Christians only believe in one God, the God, the Lord. So, why dose Allah not understand this?

 

[Sam_777]

** Now we come to the bible. What does bible say? Does the bible say clearly that Jesus was born without a father? I hope not. In fact, the case of bible in this subject is very weak. So it is better not to believe in it any more, i.e. the super natural birth of Jesus.**

(Isaiah 7:14):
“Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.”

(Matthew 1:20-21):
“But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, "Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus,[a] because he will save his people from their sins.”

(Luke 1:30-32):
“But the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, you have found favor with God. You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David”

 

[planten]

(Isaiah 7:14):
“Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.”

(Matthew 1:20-21):
“But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, "Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus,[a] because he will save his people from their sins.”

(Luke 1:30-32):
“But the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, you have found favor with God. You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David”

That was all exactly as described in the Quran. But angelos did not like that and denied nearly everything… ???

 

[planten]

I have a question, but first, a clarification: in my question, I’m going to use “Allah” as a way to describe how Muslims view God, or, in other words, who God is according to Islam. This isn’t to say I believe Muslims worship a false god, but rather, I need to use the name “Allah” in order to make the question as clear as possible. And I hope that the question dose not offend anyone.

Okay, here’s my question: Why dose Allah, who is All-Knowing, and who promised to Mohammed that He would keep the Koran free from error, misunderstand the Christian belief of the Trinity? In the Koran Allah says Christians believe in three gods; however, Christians only believe in one God, the God, the Lord. So, why dose Allah not understand this?

**The Quran denied Trinity because it was all wrong concept according to Torah too. Church has the one God and three gods. How they are mixed up, church can never explain. So it is the problem of the church, not Quran.

Our belief is exactly the same as the strict monotheistic belief of the Jews. So there are many votes against you.Look at the teachings of Abraham and Issac and Jacob and Moses and all other prophets of God. They never taught those things that church is teaching. i.e. is man God (Jesus) and a spirit god (HS) and a Father god. This is nowhere in any earlier scripture and also not in the latest testament, that is Quran.**

 

[Nickkname]

That was all exactly as described in the Quran. But angelos did not like that and denied nearly everything… ???

What the crackerbarrel are you talking about? Angels can’t lie - even Islam professes this belief. The angels were stating that Mary was in fact a virgin. Joseph had not yet slept with Mary, and Mary herself testifies to this when she asks the angel how she could bear a child if she had had no sexual relations before? The angels stated to Mary and to Joseph that Jesus would have no father but be concieved by the Holy Spirit becuase He is God.