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Once I sat down on a bench at the main square of my city as I got tired of walking. Very soon a properly dressed Muslim girl came up and started to speak to me all of a sudden. I first thought she worked for an Islamic group and tried to sell their books. However, she gave me her mobile phone number instead! I later realised that she wanted to have sex with me (fornication)! I only asked her how her demand contradicted her outlook (Islamic dressing style). She simply said she did this to find more customers because she knew that some Muslim men thought women wearing headscarves were better at sex. She finally added “When I am dressed up like a conservative Muslim girl, no one suspects that I hunt men for sex” :eek:

I left that girl and district in a hurry.
You know, i can easily post a video link from YouTube of a Muslim couple (the girl wearing a hijab) about to engage in promiscuous activity in a public park. The scenes are heavily edited (for obvious reasons) but inquisitive minds will know what’s about to happen.

Of course, for people like planten, no Muslims ever engage in such public ‘activities’. :rolleyes: The comments from Muslims who visited the video-link was laughable - each and everyone of them denying the couple were Muslim. 🤷
 
No, but they #1. don’t want us dead or subjugated or converted to their religion by force, #2. their texts are not so full of errors in the sense that even their own texts abrogate themselves (we might not agree on their whole premise, but their texts are more consistent for their own adherents!), and lastly, most try to elevate their adherents to a higher plane, to raise their spiritual level, and not to such base levels as islam does. In other words, many do NOT go against the 10 commandments even if they don’t practice the 10 commandments - they are not told outright that it is ok to lie, steal, kidnap, rape, kill, etc just because a person does not want to be of their religion.
 
** There is no abuse in polygamous marriage. Christians have no law. They are the lawless people. They have discarded the sacred law which Jesus had come to fulfil.

How did they fulfil it. They flung it overboard and said that law was a curse.
They cannot have even one wife. But their prophets had many wives, David, Jacob, Soloman and they had many concubines too.

Jesus taught them celebacy and their religion taught them woman was the cause of all evil. So they despised the woman too.**
the very things you accuse us of, islam allows!
what a lot of rubbish once again you have posted planten :rolleyes:
 
I tried very hard to understand Islam but it seems that the more I investigate, listen, and read posts and articles about it, the more I noticed that the story of Muhammed and the Quran are very difficult to believe. First of all, I find the story of Muhammed are in question because of the way he presented the alleged revelation. Even though, it took the quran to be compiled for 23 years, yet the discrepancies are evident when it contradicted the Book it says must be respected. I watched the late Mr. Deedat explained christianity and islam on you tube and although very articulate with the Bible and Quran, and very eloquent and charismatic in his speeches, still it deprived me for agreeing with his rhetorics. If islam means submission to God it does not mean it must reflect to become the name of all religion because everyone who believes in God wishes to submit to Him. A Christian or a Jew can submit to God but the important core of a religion is how faith is based on what factor and for Christianity, it is very clear that the Jesus is the One because of what was prophesied and actually happened. With his satiric comments about Judaism and Christianity, it never convince me of his explanation that the best religion is islam due to its meaning. My only guess for the wisdom he possesed is probably because he never truly understood the life of Jesus Christ just like Planten and Muslim Woman here. The evidences that muhammed and his quran for promoting islam is stronger when it wanted to instill the new religion in the region during muhammed’s time. Which means islam needed muhammed and his quran to support it. More so, the hadiths and sharia laws are just not in the norms for every person’s life butthe will of one person who wants to deceive many fools and also with his swords.
 
Re: Ask about Islam

**That is right. You took advantage of the gentle (weak) translation of the word Kafir. That is why you people have made films (Geert of holland) and also some Obsession.
We have come to understand that Kafir is not a simple disbeliever. He/she is an open enemy of Islam.

There are two types of enemies. One type (Hypocrite=Munafiq) is sitting within Muslims and tries to harm the Muslims. The other type is the Kafir who does not enter Islam. He/she harms the system from outside with all types of attacks, open onslought too.

That gentle translation of the word Kafir has harmed Islam in this age. Every Jew or christian is not a kafir. But any one of any faith who opposes Islam and picks a fight or abuses Islam is a Kafir. Of course a Kafir he/she is non-believer. But he/she is not a passive (peaceful) disbeliever. The Kafir is an active open hostile disbeliever, like the Jews of the time of Jesus who wanted him arrested and killed.

It is a simple matter. I hope you will please understand now.**

Let’s examine the standard that Mohammad used when determining just what a Kafir was. History books tell us that medieval Muslim warlords (starting with Mohammad) would lead armies of religious zealots and approach the walls of a city. They would then issue to the inhabitants of the city the following offer: A) surrender and be permitted to live in relative peace (relative to whether or not you converted to Islam or not if not you had to pay a tax for not being one to ensure your continued safety): B) suffer the consequences of resisting: die or wish that you had died if you fail to successfully defend the city. If you chose option B you were a Kafir, you could be slaughtered (or worse) justly. Imagine if the US Army were to approach Mecca and inform the citizens of the city to surrender and be permitted to live or resist and be considered an enemy of Christianity…and thus destroyed.

How else can a person become a Kafir?

1- Blasphemy. Speaking ill of Islam, Allah or Mohammad or to some just denying any of these three. Many Muslims (not most) believe that this makes all non-believers technically Kafir.

2- Attempting to convert a Muslim away from Islam. The significant majority believe that this is legitimately an offense to Allah and doing this make you Kafir.

3- Apostasy. Converting away from the faith. The majority of Muslims believe this is punishable by death.

4- An infidel committing an offense against any Muslim anywhere. The best example of this is the situation in Israel. Most Muslim view Israel to be Kafir as a result of the the conflict between them and the Palestinians. This despite the fact that the vast majority of Muslims are completely unaffected by the conflict. Most Muslim also place the USA in this category.

There are many other ways to become kafir, but these are the easiest. I am definitely a kafir as I commit #1 and #2 routinely (heck I’m doing so now).

A question for all of you Islamic scholars out there. Knowing that I speak ill of Mohammad (I believe he was a maniacal warlord, who pursued his own goals (not Allah’s) who died (not acceded) and no long exists in any manner), do you have an obligation to kill me? I have successfully converted a Muslim away from Islam…must I die? If my identity is ever revealed and a fatwa is issued calling for my death, would it be justified? Why or why not? Know this: I have never harmed a single Muslim, nor do I ever intend to. I oppose the existence of Israel and wish nothing but the best for anyone (believer or non).
 
Salaam/peace

sadly we see that some Christians browse anti Islamic sites & flood any thread on Islam & make it almost impossible to carry on a dialogue.

Before mod closes down this thread , I again want to request non-Muslims to ask about Islam without using nasty words…hope it’s not that hard.
 
Salaam/peace

sadly we see that some Christians browse anti Islamic sites & flood any thread on Islam & make it almost impossible to carry on a dialogue.

Before mod closes down this thread , I again want to request non-Muslims to ask about Islam without using nasty words…hope it’s not that hard.
Why do Muslims lie to nonbelievers?
 
Salaam/peace

sadly we see that some Christians browse anti Islamic sites & flood any thread on Islam & make it almost impossible to carry on a dialogue.

Before mod closes down this thread , I again want to request non-Muslims to ask about Islam without using nasty words…hope it’s not that hard.
And I could say that muslims browse the koran, hadiths and islamic sites which basically tell them that if we don’t convert then we are to either die or be subjugated. Nobody has to browse anything to figure out islam - just read its own texts and anyone can figure out why there is only death and chaos concerning islam for 1400 years and still going! And then the lying that goes with it!

islam has twisted slaughter, thievery, slavery, lying, etc into something holy. they had to redefine sin in order to do that. That is the basics of islam.
 
Salaam/peace
Are you saying there are no gay Muslims? Seriously?
it’s not possible for any Imam to declare that he is a gay & he will remain as an Imam . Secretly any Muslim can do any sin but it’s not accepted in the society like western world accept gay parade, gay marriage , gay pastor etc.
Ironically, he choose ‘Mohammad’ as his pseudo-name. And what do you know? He was a former Christian! Rejoice Muslim Woman. 🙂
why ?
Honestly, since Islam discourages homosexuality, do you think its possible for gay couples to get married in mosques?
that’s my point. West accepted many unethical matters . In the name of freedom , they allow gay marriages, love child etc etc. But they can’t accept limited polygamy which is legal by the law of God.

Thus , western people are giving importance on men made law/ men made choices over the laws of God. It’s a kind of revolting against God.
Besides, since when are Muslim weddings held in mosques? Muslims in my country do not get wed in mosques.:rolleyes:
but they do need an Imam/ Kazi …don’t they ? Do u know any Imam who blessed a gay couple ?
Of course. How can they not be tempted to take more than one wife when Mohammad himself loved women?:rolleyes:
nothing is wrong to love women in a halal /lawful way.
Luckily, many Muslim women are realizing the abuses in polygamous marriages.
Luckily , many western women are realizing the abuses in so - called women liberation. Some of them are happy in polygamous marriage. One example is Mariyam Jameela ( ex Jew , new Muslim ). U may read her story .

Jewish Maryam Embraces Islam

readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1221720102193&pagename=Zone-English-Discover_Islam%2FDIELayout
I can imagine you in a photo, sharing your husband with several wives. Makes you proud, eh?😉
InshaAllah ( God Willing ) I will never accept any single illegal mistress of my husband . Instead , I will give him permission to take 3 more wives legally.
 
Salaam/peace

sadly we see that some Christians browse anti Islamic sites & flood any thread on Islam & make it almost impossible to carry on a dialogue.

Before mod closes down this thread , I again want to request non-Muslims to ask about Islam without using nasty words…hope it’s not that hard.
Do you see what your fellow brothers and sisters in islam write on this site about us? or do you just turn a blind eye to all the hate spread about us?
Look at the utter rubbish and nonsense that is coming out of one particular muslim on here, do you think that is being ‘nice’ to Christians?
muslims only have one rule when it comes to the ‘nice’ game. be nice to fellow muslims and others have to be nice to us (muslims) as well. But, when it comes to muslims having to be nice to us, they find it quite hard to do.
So, when i see muslims being nice to me, i might return the favour, but i will never respect your prophet, as you dont respect our Lord and Savior Jesus.
 
Salaam/peace
Do you see what your fellow brothers and sisters in islam write on this site about us?
pl. mention few threads on Christianity where Muslims participants copy & posted thousands & thousands hateful articles from anti Christians sites .
but i will never respect your prophet
that’s ok . You have your religion , I have mine. Our dispute will be solved on the last day .
… you dont respect our Lord and Savior Jesus.
It’s part of our faith to respect Jesus & Mother Mary ( pbut). We don’t worship them but do respect .
 
I practiced Islam for several years, I’m glad to be back home in the Catholic Church.
 
Salaam/peace

pl. mention few threads on Christianity where Muslims participants copy & posted thousands & thousands hateful articles from anti Christians sites .

that’s ok . You have your religion , I have mine. Our dispute will be solved on the last day .

It’s part of our faith to respect Jesus & Mother Mary ( pbut). We don’t worship them but do respect .
It is going on in the mosques - your own koran and hadiths have it in them as WE HAVE POSTED TIME AND AGAIN and yes, you refuse to acknowledge what your own koran and hadiths have in them.

hate idiology fills USA mosques

hate literature easily found in UK mosques

American muslim groups sells anti-semitic hate literature

hate literature found in Boston mosque

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as usual the list can be expanded to include many more articles on hate from muslims/islam and much of this is going on in our own country. There have been other mosques in Virginia and elsewhere where they have found hate literature also.

As for muslim websites - they do what you do - post abrogated surahs just to fool anyone gullible enough to read them. Anyone who is too lazy to read the koran, hadiths and islamic history for themselves.]("
"MSA and UCIrvine - hate, anti-semitism, anti-USA[/URL)
 
Ah yes, definitely about control. Christians must accept our Lord’s name being taken in vain every day - after all, it is people’s right to free speech. But, Muslims are protesting and holding up the release of a video game because a couple of verses from the Quran are used in the game. If it were Bible verses and Christians protested we would be told to deal with it, no questions. We had to fight hard to have the Eucharist not be on eBay!

Yes, another example of trying to tell Americans they must sumbit to rules from Islam.

videogames.yahoo.com/feature/religious-outcry-sparks-littlebigrecall/1257227
Lucifer is an angel of the Lord also. And he is also known as the ‘Prince of Lies’. And what does the koran and the hadiths sanction for the muslims to do to us?.. Deceive us as to what islam is all about.
 
I practiced Islam for several years, I’m glad to be back home in the Catholic Church.
Welcome back and welcome to the threads. This one will probably be closing soon since it is over 1,000 posts. but, join us on some other threads that are still open!
 
Salaam/peace

Was Muhammad (p) a Prophet?


Question: I am a Catholic desiring to learn more about the Islamic religion. …1) That Muhammad truly did not receive revelations. He believed that he did but it was some kind of mental disorder …
  1. Muhammad did receive revelations, but not from God. There are other spiritual powers, namely Satan …
Ans is given by US revert Noor ad-Deen Ingalls :

…Allah says in Surah 16, verse 98:

So when you recite the Qur’an, seek refuge with Allah from the accursed Satan.

If we agree on the existence of God, don’t we think that no matter what religion we follow, He will respond to our seeking refuge in Him from Satan? In other words, why would Satan tell us to seek refuge in God from him?

Even if we had the wrong religion, wouldn’t this weaken his power over us? The verse can only harm him; it serves no benefit to him – why would he include it?

Next, let’s look at the state of the world in which Muhammad (peace be upon) lived. The Arab pagans to whom he originally preached were as far from God as is imaginable. They worshipped stone idols, buried their daughters alive, murdered over a camel’s drinking out of the wrong well, were ruled by the most absurd superstitions, etc.

Satan had fully deceived them already. Why would he start a new religion that clearly brought them closer to God and closer to virtuosity?

A Christian cannot deny that the pre-Islamic pagans were infinitely farther from the Christian teachings and ideals than their later-day Muslim counterparts.

One may say: But Satan brought the Arabs slightly closer to God in order to later mislead the rest of the world – it was a sacrifice on the part of Satan for the sake of the greater evil. Then let’s look at the state of the people who accepted Islam after the Arabs.

The Persians, though custodians of a hitherto great civilization, by and large practiced fire-worship; their religious beliefs, rituals, and views on the sanctity of life were no more than a shade better than the desert idol-worshippers.

The Indians were seeped in countless forms of idol worship, animism, ancestor worship, and religiously-legitimized socioeconomic bigotry.

The advent of Islam would later lead to a unification, simplification, and reform of the native beliefs of India that now comes under the over-simplified title of Hinduism. North Africa, though containing many Christian enclaves and strongholds many of which would incidentally retain their Christian beliefs after the Islamic conquests, was de-facto ruled by polytheist tribes of Berber and African ethnicity. The later-day Turks and Mongols also worshipped idols and dead ancestors prior to their adoption of Islam.

From a Christian perspective, there is no doubt that Islam brought the native populations of the aforementioned areas closer to the Christian ideal than their previous religions.

Why wouldn’t Satan leave “sleeping dogs lie” and let the people continue on in their religions that epitomized the nadir of misguidance? From strictly a numbers perspective, Satan would have clearly mislead more people and would have caused more people to die in the farthest state from the Christian ideal had he not “inspired” the Qur’an, as the Christians hold.

readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1177156115162&pagename=Zone-English-Discover_Islam%2FDIELayout
 
Muslim Woman, as i pointed out in previous discussions with you in several threads including this one; nobody will convert to your religion if you resort to posting utter rubbish quoted from Islamists.

In fact, let me make this clear: Islamic proselytism holds no water. Millions of intelligent internet surfers have discovered Islamic websites of creating false stories of conversion, so as to entice the non-Muslim into considering Islam.
 
I practiced Islam for several years, I’m glad to be back home in the Catholic Church.
TomaszA, good for you. Please be on your way peacefully and be happy with what you like. We have no problem. Your matter is with the Lord, your Creator.
 
the very things you accuse us of, islam allows!
what a lot of rubbish once again you have posted planten :rolleyes:
Ehm, Pardon me. As far as i learn the bible, I don’t know that David, Joseph (not the husband of Mary), and Salomon were prophets, until Planten told me so. How come those political figures ever made their way to prophethood? I think Planten became more and more humorous, don’t you think?
 
Muslim Woman, as i pointed out in previous discussions with you in several threads including this one; nobody will convert to your religion if you resort to posting utter rubbish quoted from Islamists.

In fact, let me make this clear: Islamic proselytism holds no water. Millions of intelligent internet surfers have discovered Islamic websites of creating false stories of conversion, so as to entice the non-Muslim into considering Islam.
** cathopologist, we muslims do not want to convert any of you guys. We want to pass the correct information to every one that the true religion is Islam. People are coming to this good religion.

As far as your religion is concerned, I will not name for the sake of Jesus, it is void of any spiritual wealth. It is empty drum which you are beating now. Your own people are extremely dis-satisfied with christianity. They cannot understand it. So they are coming to Islam. And if any do not come to Islam then they become atheists. That is for your information only.**
 
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