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inJESUS
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i wonder why none is faithful to the Arabic word “farjaha” which explain what the “into her” means…otherwise the word is meaningless…
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cathopologist
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“Into her” could mean alot of things - like penetration or divine insertion…thing is, we get alot of complains regarding the “corruption” of our Sacred texts, but when it comes to the Muslims, they always have a reason behind it.
Why the double-standards?
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R_not
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Vagina is not a dirty word. It is a part of the human female anatomy. Well, since muslims view the female as dirty - maybe that is why you consider this a dirty word?
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sambos671
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Planten,
Obviously I can see where muslims will have a problem with this aspect: I’m not speaking of three gods but one. One God three hypostasis (persons) All persons are of the same substance one God with Jesus and the Holy Spirit proceeding from the Father, The trinity I know is a hard one for muslims to get past. The Trinity is a mystery much like the Muslims believe that God is mysterious and un knowable fully.
As far as the bible you will never find an original. The last book of the bible was written two thousand years ago. Before that the first book was writen 1600 years from that time. So the first book of the bible was writen 3600 years ago. I can’t imagine any parchement to last that long ago. Also the bible was writen by 40 different authors (at least) in that period of time. However, it has been faithfully copied and what give us certainty of that is that we can compare copies against copies of different languages times and they all say the same thing. Thats what make the dead sea scrolls such a great find. The same plan of salvation. Unlike Islam christianity shows that God works his plan and alows men to participate in it. Mohammed was dictated to by the angel. The propehts of Israel and early christians were inspired and wrote. Though God didn’t dictate he orchastrated his word to be writen. And strangely, The scriptures lay out the same plan of salvation from the begining. And God made it happen. Christians find that far more powerful than writing the stuff yourself. If you can manage sinful man to rely your words faithfully it is miraculous. Don’t imagine that I’m saying men wrote what they wanted as some fancy but that they were inspired by the Holy Spirit to write as the same Holy Spirit took an active roll in it.
I find that you’re viewing the incarnation too carnally. When Jesus and Christians say that he is the Son of God they are not talking about carnal knowledge. The issue is one of substance. What is Jesus in relation to God? Christians say that he is God of the same substance as God and that he proceeds from the Father. In this way he is the Son of God. He is also the very same God which became man. He was concieved by power by the Holy Spirit. Not carnal knowledge. In other words the Holy Spirit made it possible for the genetic material from Mary to give Jesus his human-ess. So Jesus was totally man yet he was also totaly divine. To imply a carnal reception is to imply that God has no power but that of matter. Or that he must be subject to his creation. God used his power in the incarnation. So Jesus is a man totally. He is also Homoosuous (of the same substance) with the Father
Obviously I can see where muslims will have a problem with this aspect: I’m not speaking of three gods but one. One God three hypostasis (persons) All persons are of the same substance one God with Jesus and the Holy Spirit proceeding from the Father, The trinity I know is a hard one for muslims to get past. The Trinity is a mystery much like the Muslims believe that God is mysterious and un knowable fully.
I beg to differ where I read this it does not say that these have made trouble or declared war on Islam. I don’t think (I won’t spell it so as not to offend) the civil law shows mercy. Ie… Cut of an hand for theft. Or to put a burning stone on a womans tongue to see if she is telling the truth about her fidelity. No mercy there.
As far as the bible you will never find an original. The last book of the bible was written two thousand years ago. Before that the first book was writen 1600 years from that time. So the first book of the bible was writen 3600 years ago. I can’t imagine any parchement to last that long ago. Also the bible was writen by 40 different authors (at least) in that period of time. However, it has been faithfully copied and what give us certainty of that is that we can compare copies against copies of different languages times and they all say the same thing. Thats what make the dead sea scrolls such a great find. The same plan of salvation. Unlike Islam christianity shows that God works his plan and alows men to participate in it. Mohammed was dictated to by the angel. The propehts of Israel and early christians were inspired and wrote. Though God didn’t dictate he orchastrated his word to be writen. And strangely, The scriptures lay out the same plan of salvation from the begining. And God made it happen. Christians find that far more powerful than writing the stuff yourself. If you can manage sinful man to rely your words faithfully it is miraculous. Don’t imagine that I’m saying men wrote what they wanted as some fancy but that they were inspired by the Holy Spirit to write as the same Holy Spirit took an active roll in it.
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beautiful304
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Since there is no ultimate blood sacrifice for sin and God can forgive us by merely repenting, how is He perfectly merciful and just at the same time?
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aaronjo
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Why G_d of Israel has to kill/crucify his own innocent and “Only Son” so mercilessly on Cross through the hands of pagan Romans/will of a Jewsih crowd, and by taking off all of his clothes from his body ( except something on his private parts)?
Is this LOVE and JUSTICE ?
Do you think even the loving Jesus who taught you things like turn the other cheak, would curcify/kill his own innocent son through crucifixion, if he had a son?
Crucifixion: severe and unjust punishment or suffering; persecution.
Is this LOVE and JUSTICE ?
Do you think even the loving Jesus who taught you things like turn the other cheak, would curcify/kill his own innocent son through crucifixion, if he had a son?
Crucifixion: severe and unjust punishment or suffering; persecution.
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dzheremi
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Why are you obssessed with Jesus’ nudity or semi-nudity, Aaronjo? I find that very peculiar and disturbing.
Your other question makes no sense. You seem to think that Jesus was crucified in violation of the will of the Father, when in fact it was in fulfillment of what He had been sent to the earth to do. “It is finished” (John 19:30) would be an odd thing to proclaim had it been otherwise.
Your other question makes no sense. You seem to think that Jesus was crucified in violation of the will of the Father, when in fact it was in fulfillment of what He had been sent to the earth to do. “It is finished” (John 19:30) would be an odd thing to proclaim had it been otherwise.
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I noticed in one of your posts a while ago that not one Christian knows the bible from memory and that because Muslims memorized it, that its proof that it has not been corrupted. I find that a rather unusual statement to make especially seeing that Mohammed himself forgot parts of the Koran.
**Sahih Bukhari i Volume 6, Book 61, Number 562: **
Narrated 'Aisha:
The Prophet heard a reciter reciting, the Qur’an in the mosque at night. The Prophet said, “May Allah bestow His Mercy on him, as he has remind ed me of such-and-such Verses of such and-such Suras, which I missed!”
**Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 61, Number 558: **
Narrated Aisha:
Allah’s Apostle heard a man reciting the Qur’an at night, and said, “May Allah bestow His Mercy on him, as he has reminded me of such-and-such Verses of such-and-such Suras, which I was caused to forget.”
**Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 61, Number 550: **
Narrated Abdullah:
The Prophet said, “It is a bad thing that some of you say, ‘I have forgotten such-and-such verse of the Qur’an,’ for indeed, he has been caused (by Allah) to forget it. So you must keep on reciting the Qur’an because it escapes from the hearts of men faster than camel do.”
**Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 61, Number 552: **
Narrated Abu Musa:
The Prophet said, “Keep on reciting the Qur’an, for, by Him in Whose Hand my life is, Quran runs away (is forgotten) faster than camels that are released from their tying ropes.”
Just because something is memorized isn’t proof that it has not been corrupted as human memory is fallible. The fact that Mohammed himself couldn’t remember all of it I think contradicts your statement. Mohammed was supposedly god’s apostle but if even he forgot part of it what hope did those Muslims have who put together the Koran 20 years after Mohammed’s death have of remembering everything. I’m not arguing that Mohammed should be perfect or anything because i know he was just a prophet according to Muslims but I see his forgetfulness as rather unusual as he is the source for the Koran. I know Muslims believe that it was conveyed to him by the Angel Gabriel but at the end of the day we still have to take him at his word because nobody else witnessed Gabriel at any time, just Mohamemd.
**Sahih Bukhari i Volume 6, Book 61, Number 562: **
Narrated 'Aisha:
The Prophet heard a reciter reciting, the Qur’an in the mosque at night. The Prophet said, “May Allah bestow His Mercy on him, as he has remind ed me of such-and-such Verses of such and-such Suras, which I missed!”
**Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 61, Number 558: **
Narrated Aisha:
Allah’s Apostle heard a man reciting the Qur’an at night, and said, “May Allah bestow His Mercy on him, as he has reminded me of such-and-such Verses of such-and-such Suras, which I was caused to forget.”
**Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 61, Number 550: **
Narrated Abdullah:
The Prophet said, “It is a bad thing that some of you say, ‘I have forgotten such-and-such verse of the Qur’an,’ for indeed, he has been caused (by Allah) to forget it. So you must keep on reciting the Qur’an because it escapes from the hearts of men faster than camel do.”
**Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 61, Number 552: **
Narrated Abu Musa:
The Prophet said, “Keep on reciting the Qur’an, for, by Him in Whose Hand my life is, Quran runs away (is forgotten) faster than camels that are released from their tying ropes.”
Just because something is memorized isn’t proof that it has not been corrupted as human memory is fallible. The fact that Mohammed himself couldn’t remember all of it I think contradicts your statement. Mohammed was supposedly god’s apostle but if even he forgot part of it what hope did those Muslims have who put together the Koran 20 years after Mohammed’s death have of remembering everything. I’m not arguing that Mohammed should be perfect or anything because i know he was just a prophet according to Muslims but I see his forgetfulness as rather unusual as he is the source for the Koran. I know Muslims believe that it was conveyed to him by the Angel Gabriel but at the end of the day we still have to take him at his word because nobody else witnessed Gabriel at any time, just Mohamemd.
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Angelos
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Read the verse below to see how my Lord answers your question:
John 3:14-16
As Moses lifted up the serpent in the desert, so must the Son of man be lifted up: that whosoever believeth in him may not perish, but may have life everlasting. For God so loved the world, as to give his only begotten Son: that whosoever believeth in him may not perish, but may have life everlasting
Now it is my turn to pose questions: Why did Mohammad’s god deny Jesus’ passion? Why could he give no sound theological or logical reason for preventing the passion? Why did Mohammad’s so-called honest god need to save Jesus from the hands of His adversaries through a deceptive miracle? Why did Mohammad’s god have to deceive Israel, the nation he had previously chosen? Is this HONESTY???
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R_not
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*For the record, what “pretty gruesome behavior” is found in “other” holy books? What other major holy book calls for a universal empire (caliphate) or openly prohibits its adherents from befriending “others”? As for Islam’s bloody history by “fire and sword” not being essentially Islamic the way the Inquisition is not essentially Christian, here’s the problem with that analogy: In the Bible, one will be sorely pressed to find anything even remotely justifying the Inquisition; in the Koran – not to mention the hadith, sira, tarikh, etc. – one will find innumerable justifications, indeed, commands, for conquest by fire and sword. Moreover, today, one will be extremely hard pressed to find self-identified Christians who approve of the Inquisition. *
jihadwatch.org/archives/022598.php
more from this article:
*There is one argument, however, for which I have no compelling answer: the consistent failure of Muslim leaders—both religious and political—to condemn Islamist terrorism unequivocally and to maintain that principled stance. That means condemning terrorism without always adding how “others” are terrorists, too; without “understanding” the terrorists’ alleged frustration; without providing a loophole to define innocent victims as potential adversaries. When Dr. Baruch Goldstein entered a mosque in Hevron, Israel and began shooting, the Jewish world including the government of Israel condemned him without trying to “explain” his actions. When extremists turned his gravesite into a place of pilgrimage, the Israeli government destroyed it.
On the other hand, what do Muslims hear at the mosque? Anti-Islamist Muslim, Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury of Bangladesh says he was told, “Kill a Jew, be a good Muslim.” Neither *
Make sure to know islam and knowing islam is also knowing that muslims will deny, ignore, get haughty over this.
jihadwatch.org/archives/022598.php
more from this article:
*There is one argument, however, for which I have no compelling answer: the consistent failure of Muslim leaders—both religious and political—to condemn Islamist terrorism unequivocally and to maintain that principled stance. That means condemning terrorism without always adding how “others” are terrorists, too; without “understanding” the terrorists’ alleged frustration; without providing a loophole to define innocent victims as potential adversaries. When Dr. Baruch Goldstein entered a mosque in Hevron, Israel and began shooting, the Jewish world including the government of Israel condemned him without trying to “explain” his actions. When extremists turned his gravesite into a place of pilgrimage, the Israeli government destroyed it.
On the other hand, what do Muslims hear at the mosque? Anti-Islamist Muslim, Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury of Bangladesh says he was told, “Kill a Jew, be a good Muslim.” Neither *
Make sure to know islam and knowing islam is also knowing that muslims will deny, ignore, get haughty over this.
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Muslim_Woman
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Salaam/ peace
So why ask such a question ? It was will of God so Jesus (p) was born without a biological father . But it did not make him son of God . He was son of Mary (p) .
do u challenge God why He parted sea for Moses (p) ? Are you angry why God raised Elijah up to heaven etc etc ?
So why ask such a question ? It was will of God so Jesus (p) was born without a biological father . But it did not make him son of God . He was son of Mary (p) .
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inJESUS
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Doubtingseeker
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I think you are doing a brave job Muslim Woman by defending your faith against this pack of vultures.
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cathopologist
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Hey, you forgot to mention the ravenous wolves in sheep’s clothing, lurking and waiting for the opportunity to preach twisted versions of Judaeo-Christian teachings to season unsuspecting minds of a leviathan’s phantasmagorical dreams of making his brand of religion more attractive to prospective lusty converts. :whacky:
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aaronjo
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Before that how do you know Jesus was indeed born without a biological father?
Any independent proof (other than your so-called “gospels”) to support your idea/belief?
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Muslim_Woman
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Muslim_Woman
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Salaam/peace
U may start a new thread about it asking Christinas . Thanks
This thread is for Ask about** Islam **. So , I am afraid your this question is off topic here.
U may start a new thread about it asking Christinas . Thanks
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Angelos
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You are once more choosing to become evasive because you cannot answer inJESUS’ question and fail to defend your religion (Islam). Your question is essentially impertinent to the dialogue between inJESUS and Muslim Woman. If you want to participate in their debate, you must pose your question to Muslim Woman first to see if she believes in Jesus’ miraculous conception and why she does so although she does not believe in the Gospels.
Who tells you that we must prove the things in the Bible in order to persuade YOU to believe like us? We never expect faith or honesty from Muslims that pick up false religious identities and pretend to be Jewish because they are ashamed of their religion. You are free, so stop worrying
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morning_star777
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OK then i shall ask about a hadith of Bukhari.Explain it to us.**Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 71, Number 592:
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Narrated Abu Huraira:
I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "There is healing in black cumin for all diseases except death." **Now tell me is it possible?can black cumin heal every diseases?
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inJESUS
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Muslim woman,
Have you got an answer to my second question? or should i stop asking it like i did with my first question?
Have you got an answer to my second question? or should i stop asking it like i did with my first question?
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