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Hmm. I have never heard this story. Would anyone care to re-tell it? 
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Salaam Muslim Woman,
What if someone intentionally murders? If that personâs good deeds outweigh their bad ones on the Day of Judgment, how is that sin paid for? Do the good deeds pay for each bad deed?
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dolphinlove
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oh my,
im gone for 2 days and i see muslims have to resort to insults to my fellow Christian brothers and sisters to get the attention away from their lack of knowledge⌠hmmmm
muslims, do you not see by resorting to these actions you are losing the argument? By âattemptingâ to revert our attention to other topics, like insults, its an attempt to try and cover up the mistakes in your religion?
I think you should just succumb to the truth and join us Christians in the truth, have you notice we dont have to lie, to resort to name calling and most of all, we stand by Gods true religion without hiding anything? Now dont you call this the truth
Ill tell you now, by joining the truth, and not having to lie and cover up âmistakesâ of your religion, its truly a breath of fresh air.
im gone for 2 days and i see muslims have to resort to insults to my fellow Christian brothers and sisters to get the attention away from their lack of knowledge⌠hmmmm
muslims, do you not see by resorting to these actions you are losing the argument? By âattemptingâ to revert our attention to other topics, like insults, its an attempt to try and cover up the mistakes in your religion?
I think you should just succumb to the truth and join us Christians in the truth, have you notice we dont have to lie, to resort to name calling and most of all, we stand by Gods true religion without hiding anything? Now dont you call this the truth
Ill tell you now, by joining the truth, and not having to lie and cover up âmistakesâ of your religion, its truly a breath of fresh air.
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Americanrevert
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Hello everyone and assalaamuâalaykum, peace be upon you all,
I just registered here and I see disunity, disgust, even more of a hatefulness encircling ignorance.
First of all, I am not here to be a judge. I came solely as one to explain, without offense, the correct truth of what people here seem to be ignorant of. Now, mind you, ignorant is not a bad word, it simply means not understanding.
In order for one to jump to any conclusions, one must understand what one is talking about. We are not to take things out of context and use this against one anotherâs faiths. This is rude and arrogant as being shown here in this forum.
In order to understand each other in unison, we must TRY AND RELATE to each other as HUMAN BEINGS and not as the lower creation God made.
When asking a question, should it not be in respect to one who is to answer it? Works both ways.
When I was a Christian I dealt with situations such as these many a time and I also have experience that taught me this is not the way IF ONE IS REALLY WANTING TO GET TO THE TRUTH. God willing.
Now, if this thread is really about the title of the thread, then be serious enough and smart enough to pose the questions that mean no offense or ridicule to the person who is trying to answer them. Is only fair. Am sure you would not want the same done to you? Am sure I can myself, since I came from a Christian background, find many things that would insult and humiliate works from the Christian standpoint. But this is extremely childish behavior. Wouldnât you all agree?
Now if anyone is serious in learning the truth about Islam, please ask genuine, logical, curious or just plain simple questions about Islam and God willing, truth can be found and answers can be answered.
Thank you for your time.
Americanrevert
I just registered here and I see disunity, disgust, even more of a hatefulness encircling ignorance.
First of all, I am not here to be a judge. I came solely as one to explain, without offense, the correct truth of what people here seem to be ignorant of. Now, mind you, ignorant is not a bad word, it simply means not understanding.
In order for one to jump to any conclusions, one must understand what one is talking about. We are not to take things out of context and use this against one anotherâs faiths. This is rude and arrogant as being shown here in this forum.
In order to understand each other in unison, we must TRY AND RELATE to each other as HUMAN BEINGS and not as the lower creation God made.
When asking a question, should it not be in respect to one who is to answer it? Works both ways.
When I was a Christian I dealt with situations such as these many a time and I also have experience that taught me this is not the way IF ONE IS REALLY WANTING TO GET TO THE TRUTH. God willing.
Now, if this thread is really about the title of the thread, then be serious enough and smart enough to pose the questions that mean no offense or ridicule to the person who is trying to answer them. Is only fair. Am sure you would not want the same done to you? Am sure I can myself, since I came from a Christian background, find many things that would insult and humiliate works from the Christian standpoint. But this is extremely childish behavior. Wouldnât you all agree?
Now if anyone is serious in learning the truth about Islam, please ask genuine, logical, curious or just plain simple questions about Islam and God willing, truth can be found and answers can be answered.
Thank you for your time.
Americanrevert
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I have some questions.Hello everyone and assalaamuâalaykum, peace be upon you all,
I just registered here and I see disunity, disgust, even more of a hatefulness encircling ignorance.
First of all, I am not here to be a judge. I came solely as one to explain, without offense, the correct truth of what people here seem to be ignorant of. Now, mind you, ignorant is not a bad word, it simply means not understanding.
In order for one to jump to any conclusions, one must understand what one is talking about. We are not to take things out of context and use this against one anotherâs faiths. This is rude and arrogant as being shown here in this forum.
In order to understand each other in unison, we must TRY AND RELATE to each other as HUMAN BEINGS and not as the lower creation God made.
When asking a question, should it not be in respect to one who is to answer it? Works both ways.
When I was a Christian I dealt with situations such as these many a time and I also have experience that taught me this is not the way IF ONE IS REALLY WANTING TO GET TO THE TRUTH. God willing.
Now, if this thread is really about the title of the thread, then be serious enough and smart enough to pose the questions that mean no offense or ridicule to the person who is trying to answer them. Is only fair. Am sure you would not want the same done to you? Am sure I can myself, since I came from a Christian background, find many things that would insult and humiliate works from the Christian standpoint. But this is extremely childish behavior. Wouldnât you all agree?
Now if anyone is serious in learning the truth about Islam, please ask genuine, logical, curious or just plain simple questions about Islam and God willing, truth can be found and answers can be answered.
Thank you for your time.
Americanrevert
Why are the saudis not able to compromise on religious tolerance?
Saudis vote down toleration:
jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatcâŚves/020468.php
jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatcâŚves/020468.php
This is the muslimâs idea of toleration and mutual respect with the Pope - for the Pope to accept mohammed:
jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatcâŚves/020398.php
I canât find the article where a saudi muslim actually thought maybe it was time for some honest talk about toleration - and he got beheaded. Why is that? You guys talk all this âpeacefulnessâ, but the biggest export besides oil in saudi arabia are jihadists. Just as long as they donât bomb inside of saudi arabia. tsk tsk
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Hello,
Ok, let us be realistic, is like asking why do the CIA or the FBI cover up conspiracies or why the Patriot Act is working AGAINST AMERICANâS OWN FREEDOM OF RIGHTS?
The sites you gave me I am sorry to say, are blocked from where I live. I am not able to open them.
You cannot blame ignorance of a few on a religion meant for everyone.
You cannot accuse the American people if the American Governmental beliefs do not coincide with theirs.
Simple.
Islam is a religion for those with understanding. Not for terrorists, not for ignorants, not for arrogantsâŚbut for those with understandingâŚas God so eloquently states in the Quran.
The Saudiaâs have their laws and some they abide by the Shariahâ and some hold their own beliefs that tantamount to people not wanting to abide by them and then you have discourse. Is like a judicial system, you will not always get the outcome you want OR DESERVE. You canât blame Islam for peopleâs mistakes.
This is where people lack knowledge. They hear something bad and or they see something bad and since this personâs belief was Islam, they automatically take the religion as bad. Man, let me tell you, how many Christians or Jews out there that commit heinous Crimes but yet they donât mention that they were from a Christian background or Jewish. BUT THEY WERE. God forbid.
I reside now outside the states. It is a whole different story when you are looking from the outside in rather than the inside out. It is amazing what you witness and it is amazing how stifled one is when living just in America. Ignorance of the world at large for the majority unless one is level headed enough to learn about the world without hatefulness or arrogance. That is rare though.
Another thing, your so called âJihadistsâ are not abiding by the laws of Islam. You find militant people like you profess Usama to be, and you relate him to Islam. Why blame Islam? It is the man! This is where people are messed up in this world. They donât take time out to learn about religion, but yet, automatically jump to conclusions from the media mafia. This shows ignorance and arrogance COMBINED.
I mean, if someone were to sit there and tell you this is not true, wouldnât a level minded person go and try to find the truth then from the gift that God gave him~his brains? Or would he just listen and abuse on account of what he heard?
It isnât that hard to look for oneself. I didâŚand trust me, I come from a hard liner, American First Baptist Born Again in love with George Dubya Christian background!
Ya just gotta search yourself and donât listen to those who already have made up their minds or hates. Isnât worth it.
Americanrevert
Ok, let us be realistic, is like asking why do the CIA or the FBI cover up conspiracies or why the Patriot Act is working AGAINST AMERICANâS OWN FREEDOM OF RIGHTS?
The sites you gave me I am sorry to say, are blocked from where I live. I am not able to open them.
You cannot blame ignorance of a few on a religion meant for everyone.
You cannot accuse the American people if the American Governmental beliefs do not coincide with theirs.
Simple.
Islam is a religion for those with understanding. Not for terrorists, not for ignorants, not for arrogantsâŚbut for those with understandingâŚas God so eloquently states in the Quran.
The Saudiaâs have their laws and some they abide by the Shariahâ and some hold their own beliefs that tantamount to people not wanting to abide by them and then you have discourse. Is like a judicial system, you will not always get the outcome you want OR DESERVE. You canât blame Islam for peopleâs mistakes.
This is where people lack knowledge. They hear something bad and or they see something bad and since this personâs belief was Islam, they automatically take the religion as bad. Man, let me tell you, how many Christians or Jews out there that commit heinous Crimes but yet they donât mention that they were from a Christian background or Jewish. BUT THEY WERE. God forbid.
I reside now outside the states. It is a whole different story when you are looking from the outside in rather than the inside out. It is amazing what you witness and it is amazing how stifled one is when living just in America. Ignorance of the world at large for the majority unless one is level headed enough to learn about the world without hatefulness or arrogance. That is rare though.
Another thing, your so called âJihadistsâ are not abiding by the laws of Islam. You find militant people like you profess Usama to be, and you relate him to Islam. Why blame Islam? It is the man! This is where people are messed up in this world. They donât take time out to learn about religion, but yet, automatically jump to conclusions from the media mafia. This shows ignorance and arrogance COMBINED.
I mean, if someone were to sit there and tell you this is not true, wouldnât a level minded person go and try to find the truth then from the gift that God gave him~his brains? Or would he just listen and abuse on account of what he heard?
It isnât that hard to look for oneself. I didâŚand trust me, I come from a hard liner, American First Baptist Born Again in love with George Dubya Christian background!
Ya just gotta search yourself and donât listen to those who already have made up their minds or hates. Isnât worth it.
Americanrevert
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Muslim_Woman
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assalaamuâalaykum,
Walaykum as Salaam
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inJESUS
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some of us here are not Americans but Arabs sons of Arabs who study Islam in itâs original language and read Islamic books and read fatwas and watch episodes about IslamâŚno room for hating Muslims but hating bad ideologies is âhalalâ and when i talk about ideologies, i do not talk about my nice Muslim neighbor who just wants to live , but about Islam as whole as reflected in the Quran, Sunna, historical Islamic books, and then how these are reflected by the attitudes of its adherentsâŚbe it Shia or Sunni.
Welcome to the forum
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Americanrevert
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**Assalaamuâalaykum Muslim Woman, and thank you inJesus for a nice reply. May God guide us all ameen
I can understand where you are coming from. I live in the UAE and have encountered many people who are Arab Christians and many who are Arab Jews.
The ideologies that are presented to you with your understanding perhaps are not exactly how they should be perceived. My sons who study with the top scholars of ahadith have faced even practicing Muslims face on and had to tell them how they are going wrong~just based on their misunderstanding of a fatwa, ahadith, or an aya of the Quran.
It isnât just an eye on acceptance of truth, one must be able to understand what one is being said. This is where many people think irrationally on account of what they read and they take it as âO MY GODâ type of scenario or âoh my!!! no way!!!â then later on perhaps they come to find they are/were mistaken down the line. Only Allah knows.
Even in Christianity, I was taught things and then later on, I had a wake up call. One just has to be open minded and prove the truth, believe the truth, act upon that truth and share the truth. It all begins first with oneself.
Thank you again for your reply.
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I can understand where you are coming from. I live in the UAE and have encountered many people who are Arab Christians and many who are Arab Jews.
The ideologies that are presented to you with your understanding perhaps are not exactly how they should be perceived. My sons who study with the top scholars of ahadith have faced even practicing Muslims face on and had to tell them how they are going wrong~just based on their misunderstanding of a fatwa, ahadith, or an aya of the Quran.
It isnât just an eye on acceptance of truth, one must be able to understand what one is being said. This is where many people think irrationally on account of what they read and they take it as âO MY GODâ type of scenario or âoh my!!! no way!!!â then later on perhaps they come to find they are/were mistaken down the line. Only Allah knows.
Even in Christianity, I was taught things and then later on, I had a wake up call. One just has to be open minded and prove the truth, believe the truth, act upon that truth and share the truth. It all begins first with oneself.
Thank you again for your reply.
Americanrevert
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dzheremi
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Why is this? Because inJESUS and other Arab Christians do not accept them? They have studied the primary sources, as inJESUS has pointed out, in the original language, from within Muslim-majority countries and from outside them. They see Islam as it is lived based not only on âwrongâ interpretations, but also on what should be concieved as ârightâ ones (if scholars of Islam can be considered ârightâ in their interpretations, or at least more likely to be right than the layman by virtue of their vocation). There are also Muslim-background Christians who certainly were once as committed to Islam as you now are and have left it not because of an incorrect interpretation of any given point, but for deeper theological and spiritual reasons.
What I am saying, with respect, is that it is hard for me to listen to this idea that any who reject Islam do so out of a misunderstanding of what Islam really is or how it should really be practiced. You would probably not accept the same argument coming from a Christian about your reasons for leaving Christianity, even though Iâm sure some would make that very argument. And indeed there are many misunderstandings of Christian doctrine inherent to Islam (as they are found in the Quran itself), and many Christians who likewise misunderstand Islam for any number of reasons.
Personally, I could learn Arabic (God willing, I will soon!), study Islam in the original tongue for my entire life, live in a Muslim-majority country, and never convert to it. I believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ, where Islam demands I relinquish that belief. No amount of study with an eye towards understanding Islam will change that fact. I guess you can say I understand that Islam demands that I deny the very fact that has given me life. I cannot deny my life in this way. It is more important than my physical, temporal existence. I guess you would also say that about Islam, so I hope you can understand where I am coming from.
Peace.
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What is your solution to the problem you yourself have presented related to the inability of many people to understand Islam??? If you cannot trust anyone, who can teach us the so-called truth about Islam?
If only God knows, how can you know that Islam is the truth? If only God knows, why do you keep on asking for proof?
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This is a good way to explain trinity .and after it another greeter mr.bruce explained me trinity in this way.like,water, ice and vapor.and finally our dear brother inJesus explained trinity(more than 3 months ago) to me as the sun,sun light and warmth of sun.it was very good expanation.and thank God finally I have understood trinity.I am gratefull to Jesus and also to these friends who made me understand about the holy trinity .Jesus bless them and bless you and all friends
.and after it another greeter mr.bruce explained me trinity in this way.like,water, ice and vapor.and finally our dear brother inJesus explained trinity(more than 3 months ago) to me as the sun,sun light and warmth of sun.it was very good expanation.and thank God finally I have understood trinity.I am gratefull to Jesus and also to these friends who made me understand about the holy trinity .Jesus bless them and bless you and all friends
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Muslim Woman;4158071:
Salaam/peace
Ya you are correct.God knows best.But I guess
Dear muslim woman you did not answer this question about islam?If you can then please answer i am waiting for your answer.Btw,another muslims also can answer me THIS QUESTION ABOUT ISLAM if they want
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planten
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**There was a chance to ask honest relevant questions about Islam. But the above questions are not the right questions. That is indulging in politics. Islam is not politics. Our prophet Muhammad was once offered lot of wealth by the pagans of Makkah. He said that he did not want any wealth.
Then the pagans offered him some most beautiful lady for marriage. He said, he did not desire any beautiful lady⌠Then the pagans offered him the Kingdom (That he would be the king of all Arabs). He said that he did not want to be a King.
There is no politics in Islam. It is all spiritual matter not forgetting the worldly benefits. The above questions are not for Islam to answer.**.
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Sam_777
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some of us here are not Americans but Arabs sons of Arabs who study Islam in itâs original language and read Islamic books and read fatwas and watch episodes about IslamâŚno room for hating Muslims but hating bad ideologies is âhalalâ and when i talk about ideologies, i do not talk about my nice Muslim neighbor who just wants to live , but about Islam as whole as reflected in the Quran, Sunna, historical Islamic books, and then how these are reflected by the attitudes of its adherentsâŚbe it Shia or Sunni.
Welcome to the forum
http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon14.gif Well said inJESUS.
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morning_star777
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Apnake dhonnobaad_means THANK YOU in bengali
_means THANK YOU in bengali
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**Hello again,
This is how we have the power to prove authenticity. One must study ahadith (traditions of the Prophet Mohammad sws) to decipher what is what and you have qualified teachers for this. This is called âUhul Ahadithâ The Family of Hadith.
Allah says in the Quran that He is the protector of the Quran. He poses a challenge to even come up with one verse like itâŚbut beware, you will not be able to. See, this is how the messages from the past got messed up and words misused, misinterpreted, guessed, and fabricated came into being.
if you can prove to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that God, the Creator of the Universe wrote the Bible (am assuming that you claim the Bible as the word of God?), then I will take things into consideration. But God does not claim authorship of the Bible, nor does He say that He gave orders for it to be written down, nor does claim it is from Himself. No other book in the world claims such a fate except THE QURAN. Many of the books from the Bible do not have an author. How can you attribute such âstandardsâ to your Creator? Nothing was even written down during the time of Jesus to state Jesusâ claim.
What I am saying is, why are people afraid to look into Islam? Media? Scared they are denying Jesus? Islam does not deny JesusâŚactually we praise him as being one of the highest messengers of God, born of a virgin (one of the blessed women on earth), who cured the blind, healed the sick, the leper, and who also fell down on his face and prayed to his CREATOR. How can Jesus fall down and pray to himself? He said, âwhy callest thou me good, there is only one good and that is the father in heaven.â So, if he were denying himself, he would be denying God. Doesnât make sense.
I understand what yall are saying because I have come from where you are right now. I have said the very exact same thing. There is no pressure on anyone to accept Islam. I was a First Baptist Born Again Christian and no one put a gun to my head and said believe. Many many many people are coming to Islam daily by the dozens and Islam is growing. Now that canât be held true if people are being forced into it.
Thanks again for all your replies
Americanrevert
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No, it isnât based upon just belief. Things are proven in Islam.
The problem is happening all throughout religions, BUT Islam has a linkage that stems and goes back to the Prophet Mohammad (sallaAllahu 'alayhi wa sellem-prayers and peace be upon him), if there is anything out of sort, Islam has the knowledge and capability to say this is incorrect. The problem arises when you have ignorant Muslims who claim they know better. Pride is everywhere. Muslims are just as ignorant in their religion as many are elsewhere. No other religion in the world has this power or blessing except Islam.
This is how we have the power to prove authenticity. One must study ahadith (traditions of the Prophet Mohammad sws) to decipher what is what and you have qualified teachers for this. This is called âUhul Ahadithâ The Family of Hadith.You are misinformed. One of the best companions of Mohammad (sws) was of best character. Please provide your source as to what you have associated him with. Islam does not permit the killing of innocents, women or children, Jews or Christians. People have taken the sura Towbah 9th chapter of the Quran and a verse in it to use against Islam, whereas if they understood the event of that storyâŚamazingâŚit all had to deal with treatiesâŚand guess who broke the treaty??? Not muslimsâŚthen you think Allah would be a merciful and just Creator if we were not to be able to avenge for wrongdoing against ourselves??? Is only fair is it notâŚlook at G. Dubya for all his REVENGEâŚwell, Islam isnât based on REVENGE, it is based on Fairness. For those who try to interpret the Quran from a translation or from their ownselves without seeking proper guidance, things are bound to be taken out of context.
Allah says in the Quran that He is the protector of the Quran. He poses a challenge to even come up with one verse like itâŚbut beware, you will not be able to. See, this is how the messages from the past got messed up and words misused, misinterpreted, guessed, and fabricated came into being.
if you can prove to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that God, the Creator of the Universe wrote the Bible (am assuming that you claim the Bible as the word of God?), then I will take things into consideration. But God does not claim authorship of the Bible, nor does He say that He gave orders for it to be written down, nor does claim it is from Himself. No other book in the world claims such a fate except THE QURAN. Many of the books from the Bible do not have an author. How can you attribute such âstandardsâ to your Creator? Nothing was even written down during the time of Jesus to state Jesusâ claim.What I am saying is, why are people afraid to look into Islam? Media? Scared they are denying Jesus? Islam does not deny JesusâŚactually we praise him as being one of the highest messengers of God, born of a virgin (one of the blessed women on earth), who cured the blind, healed the sick, the leper, and who also fell down on his face and prayed to his CREATOR. How can Jesus fall down and pray to himself? He said, âwhy callest thou me good, there is only one good and that is the father in heaven.â So, if he were denying himself, he would be denying God. Doesnât make sense.
I understand what yall are saying because I have come from where you are right now. I have said the very exact same thing. There is no pressure on anyone to accept Islam. I was a First Baptist Born Again Christian and no one put a gun to my head and said believe. Many many many people are coming to Islam daily by the dozens and Islam is growing. Now that canât be held true if people are being forced into it.
Thanks again for all your replies
Americanrevert
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