HOW? How can you prove that Mohammad is a messenger of God and that his book is really celestial??? I must remind you that Islam has no text testifying to Mohammad except for his fabricated Koran.
You seem to be ignorant of the apostolic tradition. Jesus’ message lives through the Church He Himself established. Jesus promised that the gates of Hell would never prevail against His Church. We believe whatever Jesus says because He is always faithful to His promises as well as His followers.The problem is happening all throughout religions, BUT Islam has a linkage that stems and goes back to the Prophet Mohammad (sallaAllahu 'alayhi wa sellem-prayers and peace be upon him), if there is anything out of sort, Islam has the knowledge and capability to say this is incorrect. The problem arises when you have ignorant Muslims who claim they know better. Pride is everywhere. Muslims are just as ignorant in their religion as many are elsewhere. No other religion in the world has this power or blessing except Islam.This is how we have the power to prove authenticity. One must study ahadith (traditions of the Prophet Mohammad sws) to decipher what is what and you have qualified teachers for this. This is called “Uhul Ahadith” The Family of Hadith.
This is a very weak argument indeed. In order to convince us that Allah will preserve his supposed book, you must primarily convince us that the promise belongs to Allah.How can we know for sure the sentence in question was not written by humans and not falsely attibuted to Allah?
This theory somehow has cast doubt over your religious identity. If you were a true convert from Christianity to Islam, you would not have brought up such a blind and purely Islamic argument against the Bible. I also doubt that you have ever questioned your Christian fellows about the basic Christian doctrines concerning the Bible.
If you deny what Jesus teaches us in the Gospels and claim that a book written by a pagan six centuries after Jesus is more reliable and accurate than Jesus’ message, you deny the true Jesus. Believing in a twisted image of Jesus derived from a pagan’s wishful thinking cannot be considered genuine and valid.
I see that many many Muslims always pretend to be ex-Christians and pick up false religious identities to promote their religion here. This tells me something
Great post as usual, Angelos!HOW? How can you prove that Mohammad is a messenger of God and that his book is really celestial??? I must remind you that Islam has no text testifying to Mohammad except for his fabricated Koran.
You seem to be ignorant of the apostolic tradition. Jesus’ message lives through the Church He Himself established. Jesus promised that the gates of Hell would never prevail against His Church. We believe whatever Jesus says because He is always faithful to His promises as well as His followers.
This is a very weak argument indeed. In order to convince us that Allah will preserve his supposed book, you must primarily convince us that the promise belongs to Allah.How can we know for sure the sentence in question was not written by humans and not falsely attibuted to Allah?
The challenge posed by your Koran makes no sense to me. The challenge is essentially irrational as well as contradictory. First, it asks people to “fabricate” a chapter and then implies that such a fabrication would be discarded because of its being a fabrication.
This theory somehow has cast doubt over your religious identity. If you were a true convert from Christianity to Islam, you would not have brought up such a blind and purely Islamic argument against the Bible. I also doubt that you have ever questioned your Christian fellows about the basic Christian doctrines concerning the Bible.
If you were a Christian searching for answers, you would have known that the Bible repetitively claims to be the Word of God.
More, the God of the Bible, unlike Mohammad’s god, is able to preserve His word with no discrimination:
Isaiah 40:8
The grass dries up, the flowers wither, but the Word of our God stands forever.
More, Jesus asks His followers to preach His Gospel, which means that He owns and authorises His message.
If you deny what Jesus teaches us in the Gospels and claim that a book written by a pagan six centuries after Jesus is more reliable and accurate than Jesus’ message, you deny the true Jesus. Believing in a twisted image of Jesus derived from a pagan’s wishful thinking cannot be considered genuine and valid.
More, your post is gradually revealing the truth: you had never been a Christian! You are a Muslim pretending to be an ex-Christian. No genuine Christian would deliberately misquote Jesus’ statements in the Gospels. Jesus never said only the Father in heaven is good! Your pagan hands off my Bible please!
I see that many many Muslims always pretend to be ex-Christians and pick up false religious identities to promote their religion here. This tells me something
:hug1:Words do not do justice “celestial”? According to your lack of knowledge, you are ignorant of facts when dealing with the Quran. It’s authenticity goes way beyond the Bible in sciences, “ologies”, laws, commandments, ordainments, etc. IF YOU BUT READ with an honest heart and mind if you are a humble person.
You think that Jesus (on him peace) ever stepped inside a church? Where is your proof?
You know nothing of the Quran or what it entails. It isn’t up to me to convince you of what you lack. All you have to do is open your mind and heart a little and do your own research. You will never believe me, not a single word from me will you believe. You already suggest that from your words. So you do your own research if you want to know. If you are indeed serious, I can give you Scientific details that can help you understand what you do not know *FROM SCIENTISTS THEMSELVES.
You do not know me, where I was born, how I was raised or where I came from. My step cousin is a pastor in Tennesee. Both my father and step mother are Sunday School teachers. I came from Daytona Beach First Baptist Church and if you wish, go ask should be now Retired Pastor Bobby Welch, he knows me and he also knows I reverted to Islam. He also came to visit me in Halifax hospital after my baby died. So don’t go and ASSUME WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT ME. This is rude, ignorant and arrogant.
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But ya can try if you wish.Who denies that Allah’s words do not last forever??? Am saying that the Bible doesn’t prove that they are His Words.
Amazing. Because something is written before does not claim authenticity over what came later. * It isn’t a prerequisite for the complete truth*. Anyone can tell you that. Then you don’t believe in the ten commandments~the torah? The Psalms? These were all given to messengers of God (Mosa and Dawud~on them peace)…so these according to Gospels cancel out what comes before them. Amazing. So you might as well disbelieve in anything that came before Jesus.
I do not believe you know your own Bible. Mark 10:18 “And Jesus said unto him Why callest thou me good there is none good but one that is God.”
I am not saying that just because you cannot come up with a book like it that that is what proves all its authenticity.
It’s there. Discoveries have been made…but you don’t have to believe me. I am not asking you to. You have a brain to think for yourself. Do a little research and learn with it. You might surprise yourself. He’s from Texas…totally American too.HelloHello,
I am not saying that just because you cannot come up with a book like it that that is what proves all its authenticity.
Throughout the entire Quran, you have wonders, orders, commandments, history, stories, decrees, laws and sciences. One doesn’t have to be a genius to look up sciences.
I have a great website by a Protestant Preacher named Yusuf Estess. He is a revert as well and has excellent video clips, articles, facts, everything almost for someone who wants to learn a little about Islam and the truth of it. Islamalways.com or Islamtomorrow …ya can learn a lot from an X-Christian Pastor.
The Quran does really speak for itself if people give it but half the chance. It is indeed the best miracle given down.
thank you
Americanrevert
You are ignorant of facts when dealing with both the Bible and the Koran. You think you can judge the Bible by what the Koran says and consider a book written by a pagan’s several scribes your checklist for the supposed truth. Sorry, I cannot say that you read the Koran with your mind, which is apparent by your addiction to logical fallacies.Words do not do justice “celestial”? According to your lack of knowledge, you are ignorant of facts when dealing with the Quran. It’s authenticity goes way beyond the Bible in sciences, “ologies”, laws, commandments, ordainments, etc. IF YOU BUT READ with an honest heart and mind if you are a humble person.
Now you are confusing us Christians with Mohammad’s scribes of average intellect, who bastardised the notion of time and mistakenly supposed that all messengers were Muslims. We do not have to prove an allegation we never put forward whereas you have to provide evidence for the Islamic allegations in your Koran. Please prove that Jesus, Moses, Abraham were Muslims preaching the same message as your pagan leader.
I know a lot about the Koran, and this is exactly why I am a convert to Christianity.
Who decided that many tried but were incapable of??? If it is up to the decision of Muslims, the people taking the challenge and writing better pieces of literature than Mohammad’s Koran will have no chance from the start! So what’s the point of making such a silly challenge??
The way you criticise Christianity for the sake of Mohammad’s ideology named Islam forces me to trust my assumptions about you rather than what you claim to be. Nevertheless, this is not a personal issue. I am not the least interested in who you are or where you are from.
It is not fair of you to speak in the spirit of positivism only when some Bible passages are in question. You must apply the same principle of rationalism to Mohammad’s scripture. Let’s have a look at one of the verses describing cosmology:
Please stop comparing me to some people I do not know. You should not be waiting for a different form of reaction since the way you try to sell your new faith makes me and many people like me conclude that you were not a Christian. The problem is not in the conclusion, but in the premises!
I have the right to debate Islam with you no matter what you say. The way you approach Christianity (with rudeness and ignorance) makes you sound like a Muslim pretending to be an ex-Christian. This is a very common technique among Muslim scholars and posters of our day.
First, you should prove me that God authorises the Koran. I want Him to speak to him and convince me that the Koran is indeed a revelation from Him. I cannot trust the verses of the Koran since Muslims cannot prove that every certain verse came from God.
There are not so many Bibles. This is but an Islamic lie. I shall not comment on a lie.
This is another lie fabricated to support the previous lie. It is impossible to prove that all the verses supposedly recited and dictated by Mohammad were compiled into the first Koran accurately and faultlessly.Yet, the Quran is still in tact, 1429 years now, not one dot is misplaced, not one punctuation is out of place and not one word is changed or has been changed. You cannot prove that it has.
Believing that the Bible is no more God’s word (theory of corruption) is the same as believing that God’s word does not remain forever, but is subject to loss and corruption!
In Islam, you know that Jesus was given the Injeel. ACCORDING TO WHOM? According to Mohammad, of course! The Koran is actually a false reproduction of the Bible ACCORDING TO MOHAMMAD.
Please do!I know a lot about the Koran, and this is exactly why I am a convert to Christianity.
Two years ago I did intensive research, wrote a dissertation paper, and debunked all those so-called scientific mysteries and miracles of the Koran. I could share it with you here
Here’s one of my favorites:Surah 18:83-86
They will ask thee of Dhu’l-Qarneyn. Say: I shall recite unto you a remembrance of him. Lo! We made him strong in the land and gave him unto every thing a road.And he followed a road. Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout.
According to the authors of the Koran, the Sun sets in a muddy spring!!! As a person of intellect, you have no problems with this verse??? Weird
Could you please stop twisting my statements and putting your personal comments into my mouth?
The Church of Christ is still alive. Jesus’ disciples were eyewitnesses of the events happening in Jesus’ life, and they wrote the Gospels to give testimony to Jesus’ claims and teachings. Thus, Christianity has always had too many witnesses testifying to Christ and His message unlike Islam, which taught that Mohammad manipulated God’s revelation and did not allow others to witness him. You have lots of problems to worry about.
You do not believe in what Jesus says to you in His Gospel, but choose to believe what Mohammad claims that Jesus taught??? This is an apparent denial of the truth. You deny true Jesus because you believe that whatever Mohammad says in his scripture about Jesus is more reliable than what Jesus Himself teaches in His own Gospel.
Thanks for proving that you have resorted to twisting the Gospel for the sake of Islam. You had previously stated that Jesus said “No one is good, but the Father in heaven alone” whereas now you are quoting the exact statement (No one is good, but GOD alone) with the false presumption that there is no difference between the two. Please be honest next time
It is also my favouriteHere’s one of my favorites:
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YUSUFALI: And we have, (from of old), adorned the lowest heaven with Lamps, and We have made such (Lamps) (as) missiles to drive away the Evil Ones, and have prepared for them the Penalty of the Blazing Fire.
PICKTHAL: And verily We have beautified the world’s heaven with lamps, and We have made them missiles for the devils, and for them We have prepared the doom of flame.
SHAKIR: And certainly We have adorned this lower heaven with lamps and We have made these missiles for the Shaitans, and We have prepared for them the chastisement of burning.
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And they buy this stuff!
Vickie
By no means! You are too quick to jump into false conclusions. Where in the Gospels does Jesus teach His apostles and disciples NOT to call Him good? Where in the Gospels does Jesus say that He is NOT good?
The young man’s reaction says it all:
He had wanted to keep his riches at the expense of truly following the Lord! This cannot be done, as Jesus reminds His followers in 23-25:
We see this a lot among nominally Christian people, unforunately. There are even some who say that earthly riches represent God’s favor upon those who acquire them (who would no doubt take their success in life as proof of God’s goodness, without realizing that this is not how God operates; remember the story of Job?). Mark 10 reminds us, lest we forget, that this is absolutely not the case. It is NOT the case that Jesus renounces His goodness or divinity in this or any other passage of the Bible.
