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Americanrevert
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Hello,
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You don’t know me.**
Did I say I was a new Muslim? Do you always ASSUME…you know what assuming means don’t ya? Means not 100% correct.
Guesswork…so please, keep your silly assumptions to yourself. Thank you.
As for the “not knowing part”…you should eat your words.
lol english VERSIONS…oh man, here we go again, you simply do not have the capacity to understand clearly enough…the Quran was NEVER written in English lol…please please please get this through your brain…stimulate your brain cells and charge them into workin or somethin!
lol translations are not versions…please understand that…I explained it quite thoroughly enough, in simplistic terms…sheesh
you simply do not have the capacity to understand…it all boils down to that…you misconstrue, you misinterpret…imagine havin people like this as Christian Theologians…eeeeek! (I said, only imagine lol~little sarcastic humor if you can understand that lol)
Americanrevert
I wonder if this one actually needs to be replied to…but will give it a go…
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You don’t know me.**
Did I say I was a new Muslim? Do you always ASSUME…you know what assuming means don’t ya? Means not 100% correct.
Guesswork…so please, keep your silly assumptions to yourself. Thank you.As for the “not knowing part”…you should eat your words.
lol english VERSIONS…oh man, here we go again, you simply do not have the capacity to understand clearly enough…the Quran was NEVER written in English lol…please please please get this through your brain…stimulate your brain cells and charge them into workin or somethin!
lol translations are not versions…please understand that…I explained it quite thoroughly enough, in simplistic terms…sheesh
you simply do not have the capacity to understand…it all boils down to that…you misconstrue, you misinterpret…imagine havin people like this as Christian Theologians…eeeeek! (I said, only imagine lol~little sarcastic humor if you can understand that lol)
Americanrevert
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Muslim_Woman
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Salaam/peace
If I reject Prophet Moses or David or Solomon or any of the Prophets ( peace be upon them ) , I will become a disbeliever . Though they came for their time only. But now I must respect them as Prophets .
Just like other Prophets except Muhammed (p) , Jesus (p) came for his time only .
Jesus (p) predicted of another Prophet (p). Read your bible carefully , hopefully u will understand this imp matter .
Rejecting God’s any messenger means rejecting God / disobeying God .
If I reject Prophet Moses or David or Solomon or any of the Prophets ( peace be upon them ) , I will become a disbeliever . Though they came for their time only. But now I must respect them as Prophets .
Just like other Prophets except Muhammed (p) , Jesus (p) came for his time only .
Jesus (p) predicted of another Prophet (p). Read your bible carefully , hopefully u will understand this imp matter .
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Muslim_Woman
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Salaam/peace
to my knowledge , there is No bar about discussing on Islam / religion. but it should be in a gently way . Specially when we talk to people of the holy book.
Prophet Muhammed (p) had a discussion with Christians for long 3 days & nights at Prophet’s mosque in Madina. Topic was like that : Is Jesus (p) God ?
let me know if u want to know more.about that interesting debate.
related verses :
Let there arise out of you a band of people inviting to all that is good,
enjoining what is right,
and forbidding what is wrong: they are the ones to attain felicity
[Quran 3:104]
(Invite (all) to the way of your Rabb (i.e., Islam)
with wisdom and beautiful preaching;
and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for your Rabb knows best,
who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.
[Quran 6:125]
to my knowledge , there is No bar about discussing on Islam / religion. but it should be in a gently way . Specially when we talk to people of the holy book.
Prophet Muhammed (p) had a discussion with Christians for long 3 days & nights at Prophet’s mosque in Madina. Topic was like that : Is Jesus (p) God ?
let me know if u want to know more.about that interesting debate.
related verses :
Let there arise out of you a band of people inviting to all that is good,
enjoining what is right,
and forbidding what is wrong: they are the ones to attain felicity
[Quran 3:104]
(Invite (all) to the way of your Rabb (i.e., Islam)
with wisdom and beautiful preaching;
and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for your Rabb knows best,
who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.
[Quran 6:125]
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Angelos
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What you accuse of me of doing is not different from what you always do.Hello,
I wonder if this one actually needs to be replied to…but will give it a go…
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You don’t know me.**
Did I say I was a new Muslim? Do you always ASSUME…you know what assuming means don’t ya? Means not 100% correct.
Stop the guesswork and keep your silly assumptions to yourself. Thank you
When did I say that the Koran was written in English?? Stop slandering me and be honest!
It is high time you opened your eyes to the bitter truth that there are many different Koran versions in English today! It is impossible for every Muslim to speak Arabic and check/confirm the accuracy of these translations. Besides, the differences in the English versions of the Koran DO display the deliberate perversion of the text in meaning.
Now you should wait until you break your fast with your own words. LOL
Yes, tell this to Muslim Woman and yourself. You should not be doing yourselves what you ask others NOT to do.
The only thing that matters in this debate is that I know your pagan messenger had no capacity to understand Judaism and Christianity, and you are simply following his false presumptions.
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Muslim_Woman
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Salaam/peace
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Americanrevert
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**Angelos,
You really need to re-read your own posts before you sound the way you sound…honestly, this is not a plus for ya.
Americanrevert**
You really need to re-read your own posts before you sound the way you sound…honestly, this is not a plus for ya.
Americanrevert**
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Angelos
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This is irrelevant to our discussion.
This Islamic tenet is a very problematic one due to a few reasons.
First, the Koran says that Jesus was a sign for the WHOLE MANKIND even though it contradictorily struggles to confine Jesus’ mission to Israel.
Second, it is impossible that Mohammad be sent to the WHOLE WORLD since many verses repeatedly claim that the Koran was revealed in Arabic so that people could understand. Thus, the scripture of Islam, as a matter of contradiction, is linguistically and culturally confined to Arabs.
Finally, it is clear in the Gospels that Jesus sent His disciples to preach His message to the whole mankind. The Koran cannot be true because it contradicts our Scripture
Read the bible once more and read my responses to that false Islamic presumption once more. Jesus is the ALFA and OMEGA: The FIRST and LAST.
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Angelos
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Read the following statement aloud to yourself after replacing my name with yours:
**Angelos,
You really need to re-read your own posts before you sound the way you sound…honestly, this is not a plus for ya.
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Muslim_Woman
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Salaam/peace
from those who do not fight you in the matters of your religion and those who did not expel you from your homes,
that **you show them courtesy and kindness and act justly **with them
because Allah loves those who are Just."
(Al-Mumtahanah: 8)
"Allah does not forbid you… it is not true that all disbelievers are hypocrites!
from those who do not fight you in the matters of your religion and those who did not expel you from your homes,
that **you show them courtesy and kindness and act justly **with them
because Allah loves those who are Just."
(Al-Mumtahanah: 8)
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Angelos
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Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.
This verse does not even imply that Muslims are commanded to fight only those who fight them, but ALL Non-Muslims, who reject Islam.
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inJESUS
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salaam, this is not what i asked about. I said God forgives you if you repent, out of mercy, but where is Justice if He is both merciful *and *just? if prayer/charity ecc are already an obligation, how can an obligation repay for disobediance?
an adultress who repents will not be stoned? a thief who repents will not have his hands cut?
what about a person who makes innocent people suffer with his tongue? what is his punishment?
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Muslim_Woman
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Salaam/peace
not use any dirty words , don’t express hatred etc.
God told us in Quran :
Say: "O People of the Book!
come to common terms as between us and you: that
**we worship none but God; **
that we associate no partners with Him;
that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than God.
" If then they turn back, say ye:
“Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims
(bowing to God’s Will).”
Quran 3.64
not use any dirty words , don’t express hatred etc.
God told us in Quran :
Say: "O People of the Book!
come to common terms as between us and you: that
**we worship none but God; **
that we associate no partners with Him;
that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than God.
" If then they turn back, say ye:
“Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims
(bowing to God’s Will).”
Quran 3.64
it’s ok if u want to believe it . Just tell us why u believe so ? If Muhammed (p) really copied from other books , how it’s possible that he avoided all the mistakes / myths found in various books ?
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Muslim_Woman
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Salaam/peace
"Do you know the thing which most commonly brings people into Paradise?
It is fear of Allah and good character.
Do you know what most commonly brings people into Hell?
It is the two hollow things: the mouth and the private parts."
A man said, “Messenger of Allah (p), such and such a woman has a reputation for engaging to a great extent in prayer, fasting and almsgiving but she annoys her neighbours with her tongue.”
He replied, “She will go to Hell.”
He said, "Messenger of Allah (Sal-allahu-aleihi-wassallam), such and such a woman has a reputation for engaging to a small extent in fasting, almsgiving and prayer,
but she gives pieces of curd as sadaqah and does not annoy her neighbours with her tongue."
He replied, “She will go to Paradise.”
paklinks.com/gs/religion-scripture/207429-hadith-tongue-control.html
Allah’s Messenger (p ) said,
"Do you know the thing which most commonly brings people into Paradise?
It is fear of Allah and good character.
Do you know what most commonly brings people into Hell?
It is the two hollow things: the mouth and the private parts."
A man said, “Messenger of Allah (p), such and such a woman has a reputation for engaging to a great extent in prayer, fasting and almsgiving but she annoys her neighbours with her tongue.”
He replied, “She will go to Hell.”
He said, "Messenger of Allah (Sal-allahu-aleihi-wassallam), such and such a woman has a reputation for engaging to a small extent in fasting, almsgiving and prayer,
but she gives pieces of curd as sadaqah and does not annoy her neighbours with her tongue."
He replied, “She will go to Paradise.”
paklinks.com/gs/religion-scripture/207429-hadith-tongue-control.html
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Muslim_Woman
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Salaam/peace
Muslims pay 2 kind to taxes . income tax to Govt . & distribute Zakat ( poor due ) among poor once a year …it’s a must.
to my best of knowledge , non Muslims enjoyed many facilities under Muslim rulers . Such as their prayer houses were not destroyed ; priests / monks were not assaulted , they were free from taking part in any war as it was Muslims duty to protect them from enemies etc etc.
InshaAllah ( God Willing ) , I will try to find more info
Muslims pay 2 kind to taxes . income tax to Govt . & distribute Zakat ( poor due ) among poor once a year …it’s a must.
to my best of knowledge , non Muslims enjoyed many facilities under Muslim rulers . Such as their prayer houses were not destroyed ; priests / monks were not assaulted , they were free from taking part in any war as it was Muslims duty to protect them from enemies etc etc.
InshaAllah ( God Willing ) , I will try to find more info
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planten
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This verse, which verse? Any reference? There would have been some context. Did you purposely omit the reference?
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Muslim_Woman
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Salaam/peace
an ex Jew wrote about Jizya ;
All Jews had to pay half their income to Muslims ?
"The sunna is that there is no jizya due from women or children of people of the Book, and that jizya is only taken from men who have reached puberty.”
In other words, men of military age, were excused from joining the army in exchange for paying jizyha.
According to Abu Hanifa, there are also **exceptions for the poor, slaves, monks and hermits. **
…Did Muslims or Jews pay more in tax ?
Both Jews and Muslims were required to pay tax in Islamic countries. The Muslim tax was called “Zakat”, which was much more broad.
Jews did not have to pay any zakat on any of their property, livestock, produce or crops while Muslims –did-. Zakat also varied depending on the Muslim’s situation, depending on the size of property, number of live stock, amount of savings, on average, the Muslim paid more taxes than the non-Muslim.
Besides an average of Muslims paying more taxes, Muslims also had to pay with their lives, they had to join the army and defend the country, whereas non-Muslims in the country were not required to enlist, again displaying the price for the Muslims was higher than for the non-Muslims
How much tax do Muslims pay in the Zionist country ?
As documented, Jews did not pay 50 percent of their income in taxes, also cited, Muslims do have to pay Over 50 Percent in taxes for living in Israel.
When Palestine (Israel) was forcefully taken from Muslims and driven into a Zionist country, Muslims were ordered to pay one of the highest tax rates in the world or face arrest and imprisonment in a torturous Israeli jail.
In conclusion, the accusation that Jews were forced into paying 50% of their income is a myth, the sultans in Islamic countries followed strict Islamic law to stay in power, which dictated that willing and able Jewish men only had to pay 10% on their trade income
jews-for-allah.org/jewish-mythson-islam/dhimmi-tax-fiftypercent.htm
an ex Jew wrote about Jizya ;
All Jews had to pay half their income to Muslims ?
"The sunna is that there is no jizya due from women or children of people of the Book, and that jizya is only taken from men who have reached puberty.”
In other words, men of military age, were excused from joining the army in exchange for paying jizyha.
According to Abu Hanifa, there are also **exceptions for the poor, slaves, monks and hermits. **
…Did Muslims or Jews pay more in tax ?
Both Jews and Muslims were required to pay tax in Islamic countries. The Muslim tax was called “Zakat”, which was much more broad.
Jews did not have to pay any zakat on any of their property, livestock, produce or crops while Muslims –did-. Zakat also varied depending on the Muslim’s situation, depending on the size of property, number of live stock, amount of savings, on average, the Muslim paid more taxes than the non-Muslim.
Besides an average of Muslims paying more taxes, Muslims also had to pay with their lives, they had to join the army and defend the country, whereas non-Muslims in the country were not required to enlist, again displaying the price for the Muslims was higher than for the non-Muslims
How much tax do Muslims pay in the Zionist country ?
As documented, Jews did not pay 50 percent of their income in taxes, also cited, Muslims do have to pay Over 50 Percent in taxes for living in Israel.
When Palestine (Israel) was forcefully taken from Muslims and driven into a Zionist country, Muslims were ordered to pay one of the highest tax rates in the world or face arrest and imprisonment in a torturous Israeli jail.
In conclusion, the accusation that Jews were forced into paying 50% of their income is a myth, the sultans in Islamic countries followed strict Islamic law to stay in power, which dictated that willing and able Jewish men only had to pay 10% on their trade income
jews-for-allah.org/jewish-mythson-islam/dhimmi-tax-fiftypercent.htm
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trustme80
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i thought the quran is the complete and eternal guide for mankind
or is it the verses are for 6-7th century desert war-mongerers
the context is quite clear, a few nice verses are from the weak powerless era, and a bunch of verses when muhammad have power ( military, political, even the power of an angry mob ) to threaten everybody else.
quote the nice ones to impress, use the tyrannical ones when you are the majority.
i live in indonesia ( the biggest muslim country ), i know how it goes
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trustme80
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Volume 4 : Book 53 : Hadith 386 :
Narrated by Jubair bin Haiya:
'Umar sent the Muslims to the great countries to fight the pagans. When Al-Hurmuzan embraced Islam, 'Umar said to him. “I would like to consult you regarding these countries which I intend to invade.” Al-Hurmuzan said, “Yes, the example of these countries and their inhabitants who are the enemies. of the Muslims, is like a bird with a head, two wings and two legs; If one of its wings got broken, it would get up over its two legs, with one wing and the head; and if the other wing got broken, it would get up with two legs and a head, but if its head got destroyed, then the two legs, two wings and the head would become useless. The head stands for Khosrau, and one wing stands for Caesar and the other wing stands for Faris. So, order the Muslims to go towards Khosrau.” So, ‘Umar sent us (to Khosrau) appointing An-Numan bin Muqrin as our commander. When we reached the land of the enemy, the representative of Khosrau came out with forty-thousand warriors, and an interpreter got up saying, “Let one of you talk to me!” Al-Mughira replied, “Ask whatever you wish.” The other asked, “Who are you?” Al-Mughira replied, "We are some people from the Arabs; we led a hard, miserable, disastrous life: we used to suck the hides and the date stones from hunger; we used to wear clothes made up of fur of camels and hair of goats, and to worship trees and stones. While we were in this state, the Lord of the Heavens and the Earths, Elevated is His Remembrance and Majestic is His Highness, sent to us from among ourselves a Prophet whose father and mother are known to us. Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, has ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah Alone or give Jizya (i.e. tribute); and our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says:-- “Whoever amongst us is killed (i.e. martyred), shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever amongst us remain alive, shall become your master.” (Al-Mughira, then blamed An-Numan for delaying the attack and) An-Nu’ man said to Al-Mughira, “If you had participated in a similar battle, in the company of Allah’s Apostle he would not have blamed you for waiting, nor would he have disgraced you. But I accompanied Allah’s Apostle in many battles and it was his custom that if he did not fight early by daytime, he would wait till the wind had started blowing and the time for the prayer was due (i.e. after midday).”
that’s jizya for you
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