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punish them ?
Is not it correct that many Christians believe they won’t be accountable on the last day because of Jesus (p) ?
Muslims told u it’s ok to do so and God won’t
punish them ?
Is not it correct that many Christians believe they won’t be accountable on the last day because of Jesus (p) ?
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Allan_M
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Why do muslims seem so vocal on antiwestern sentiment and not so vocal on the extreamests who dirty the name of you’re faith.
The Pope spoke of islam and was condemed for it, terrorists pervert the teachings of islam and no one say anything. I never seen a puppet of a terrorist being burned in the street, even if they bomb or attack places of moslum worship.
The Pope spoke of islam and was condemed for it, terrorists pervert the teachings of islam and no one say anything. I never seen a puppet of a terrorist being burned in the street, even if they bomb or attack places of moslum worship.
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rikkk1958
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Is the Sharia Law the heart and soul of Islam?
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rikkk1958
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Lets say, the world is now all muslim, does it really help a person not to sin? Islamic laws are far from being pleasing to God, how can it be a guiding tool for a person to obey them? I think it is hypocritical for muslims to say they have the law that comes from God because they themselves know it is an evil guided laws.
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inJESUS
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which Islamic law you find is evil & why ? which one is the better law & why ?
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inJESUS
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Allah knows best is an answer?
what does the Trinity have to do with this? am asking you can you compensate for your sins by that which you are obliged to do anyway? yes or no? isn’t my question simple?
am no jew, am Christian…do you know the difference? so you consider justice to kill an adultress? why? because it harms some innocent people? so where is justice when those who harm even many more people are not punished but just forgiven? am asking to see if you understand what you believe in .
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planten
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There are people in Islam who are condemning the acts of bombing (Jihad). But they are still in minority and being heavily persecuted by the majority Muslims. They had been advising the Muslims against Jihad with weapons. But those people were attacked by the Mullas for not advocating Jihad.
Because there were organisations in Muslim countries who were advocating Jihad with weapons (jama,at Islami in India & Pakistan plus muslim Brotherhood in Egypt), The Muslim masses were misled and felt that they could take on the world. But it was a very bad teaching and terrible mistake, the results of that are coming in the open now. The Muslims are suffering every where just because of that bad teaching.
There are political problems in various places and Muslisms are suffering and that is also due to their own mistakes plus superior power of the non-Muslim countries and due to much injustice in the world. But the primary mistake was that of the Muslim religious leaders.
Even now, we do not see any real democracy in any Muslim country. India and Israel and South Afrika are progressing well under democratic system.
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cathopologist
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There is law in Islam?
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R_not
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Knowing them and practicing are two different things in islam.
It seems that muslims don’t care about them if they apply to non-muslims. In fact, it is just a ‘free for all’ of breaking commandments in regards to non-muslims.
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R_not
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The dirty secret is that the muslims don’t look at those terrorists as terrorists - and that deception about islam to us infidels is sanctioned in the koran.
It is a very slick mentality. It is why you will never get a riot, or death and destruction, and even glorifying the jihadists as martyrs while they dance and ulalate (as they did in the USA and elsewhere after 9/11) over these goons.
Centrality of Jihad in islam
frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=CEFECC23-C7F3-451D-B9C4-AF07A0E41DE2
a quote: **“Muslims are religiously obliged to disseminate the Islamic faith throughout the world… If non-Muslims submit to conversion or subjugation, this call can be pursued peacefully. If they do not, Muslims are obliged to wage war against them.” World peace, according to Islamic teaching, “is reached only with the conversion or submission of all mankind to Islam.”
Moreover, continues Tibi, when Muslims disseminate Islam through violent means, that is not war (harb), as that word only describes the use of force by non-Muslims. Islamic wars are acts of “opening” the world to Islam. “[T]hose who resist Islam cause wars and are responsible for them.”
In other words, simply by the act of existing, the entire non-Islamic world is equated with war. That is why Muslims call it the Dar al-Harb, the Realm of War. Yet when Muslims wage jihad, they are doing it to bring about the peace of universal Islam. So whatever Muslims do, is by definition peace, and whatever infidels do, is by definition war. This explains, by the way, why “moderate” Muslims almost never admit that Muslim terrorists are terrorists. It is because jihad itself is not war, but a way of pursuing peace. By such manipulations of language and such massive double standards, Islam reveals itself as a closed system that precludes any critical thought about itself, as well as any fair and honest dealings with non-Muslims.**-----------------------------
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yeah - but nothing covers what they do to non-muslims, and women have only half the rights of muslim males.There is law in Islam?
It seems there is a lot of concern over their potty behavior in these laws - but again, nothing to deal with muslims when they steal from, beat, rape, kidnap, enslave, or kill non-muslims.
Nothing covers ‘honor killings’ either (even though all the muslims will pop veins in their necks denying that islam allows it - nothing in their laws stop it and in fact, too many muslim males get upset if a country wants to do something about ‘honor killings’.
go to www.jihadwatch.org and do a search on ‘honor killings’ and you will find a lot of news on them. In some countries they are on the rise, and in the USA many muslims are bringing it to a neighborhood near you!
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R_not
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Over one million European Christians kidnapped and enslaved by Muslims
jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/022872.php
A little bit of islamic history. It is usually referred to as ‘white slavery’, but as the article explains it is more along the lines of ‘non-muslim slavery’ since blacks were indeed enslaved during this time period!
The muslims would raid and take all of the people of villages. (I got that information from a book called, ‘White Gold’, by Giles Milton). It was what the Barbary Pirates were all about - muslims on a jihad and the slave trade.
Our own Thomas Jefferson (my historical hero) cracked open a koran, read it, and figured out what the Barbary Pirates were and dealt with it accordingly and as a result we lost very, few men.
The slavers who sold us the black slaves (which amounted to many more than the whites being enslaved) were also muslim slave traders.
The reason why I bring it up because we way too often forget to mention slavery in islam. We always blame the white people for it. And here is the kicker - it is still going on to this day in muslim countries - and yes, some have brought their slaves here (just like they bring polygamy, honor killings, and other despicable things associated with islam). Oh, and not a peep about it except to deny, deflect, ignore these things.
this article also includes the hadiths and surahs that sanction slavery in islam:
answering-islam.org/Silas/slavery.htm
the slave trade in Africa, and other nations, in the form that silas talks about still goes on. A more insidious form of slavery also takes place and people like the Hindus are finding out about it - the muslims kidnap their daughters, force them to convert and marry muslim males - so basically they are being enslaved and raped.
jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/022872.php
A little bit of islamic history. It is usually referred to as ‘white slavery’, but as the article explains it is more along the lines of ‘non-muslim slavery’ since blacks were indeed enslaved during this time period!
The muslims would raid and take all of the people of villages. (I got that information from a book called, ‘White Gold’, by Giles Milton). It was what the Barbary Pirates were all about - muslims on a jihad and the slave trade.
Our own Thomas Jefferson (my historical hero) cracked open a koran, read it, and figured out what the Barbary Pirates were and dealt with it accordingly and as a result we lost very, few men.
The slavers who sold us the black slaves (which amounted to many more than the whites being enslaved) were also muslim slave traders.
The reason why I bring it up because we way too often forget to mention slavery in islam. We always blame the white people for it. And here is the kicker - it is still going on to this day in muslim countries - and yes, some have brought their slaves here (just like they bring polygamy, honor killings, and other despicable things associated with islam). Oh, and not a peep about it except to deny, deflect, ignore these things.
this article also includes the hadiths and surahs that sanction slavery in islam:
answering-islam.org/Silas/slavery.htm
the slave trade in Africa, and other nations, in the form that silas talks about still goes on. A more insidious form of slavery also takes place and people like the Hindus are finding out about it - the muslims kidnap their daughters, force them to convert and marry muslim males - so basically they are being enslaved and raped.
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Slavery is a part of jihad, says a saudi muslim cleric.
jihadwatch.org/archives/000081.php
here we read about the police taking some slaves from a saudi muslim who was arrogant enough to bring them with them to the Brussels.
jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/021621.php
here we see a saudi gets convicted of slavery in Colorado:
jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/012947.php
jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/011826.php
A couple enslaved a 10 year old child in Southern California!
jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/012042.php
Basically, you get the idea - the stories are piled high with atrocities about slavery, and many other atrocities, in islam.
jihadwatch.org/archives/000081.php
here we read about the police taking some slaves from a saudi muslim who was arrogant enough to bring them with them to the Brussels.
jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/021621.php
here we see a saudi gets convicted of slavery in Colorado:
jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/012947.php
jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/011826.php
A couple enslaved a 10 year old child in Southern California!
jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/012042.php
Basically, you get the idea - the stories are piled high with atrocities about slavery, and many other atrocities, in islam.
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R_not
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Another subject that I am bothered about besides the above subject of slavery is the subject of ‘honor killings’ in islam.
Does Islam Justify Honor Killings?
by Supna Zaidi
meforum.org/article/1988
quite often we hear this about ‘honor killings’ or something similar such as denials that it is islam., (a quote) It [the honor killing of Sandela] has nothing to do with Islam. This is a tribal, medieval mentality that is seen in tribes in Pakistan and India, and often is not even seen in Islamic communities. It’s basically part of the ignorance of the tribal community.
Here is why I assert that in all muslim countries their sharia laws do nothing about the perps, or very very little to the perps: (a quote)
**Thus, “harm to reputation” is a partial or complete defense to murder. No passage in the Koran discusses honor killings, but Muslim clerics justify them and secular Muslims either do not punish them or pass laws to mitigate punishment for them. With this, Muslims make honor killings a part of Islam.
Honor killings are justified under Islam in some Muslim countries such as Saudi Arabia. For example, tenth-grade textbooks teach Saudi children that it is permissible to kill adulterers. In April 2008, a girl was killed by her father for talking to a boy on Facebook, an online social networking website. **
(Another quote)
**Honor killings are justified as a necessary part of culture in other Muslim countries such as Jordan, which is technically a secular kingdom with a representative parliament. In 2001 King Abdallah presented a bill outlining stiff penalties for honor killings, but parliament rejected it, stating, “it [punishing honor killings] would encourage adultery and create new social problems.” Four years later, honor killings accounted for one-third of all violent deaths in Jordan in 2005, where perpetrators received as little as six months in prison under the penal code.
Secular Iraq offers no punishment**
And here are the elitist, upper middle class muslims do to handle ‘honor killings’ or those trying to stop it: (a quote)
The more secular, educated elites of Muslim countries may not be so backward as to commit such crimes themselves, but they know it is happening and prefer to look the other way. The upper and middle classes have a responsibility as civic and political leaders to defend women through education, the law, and enforcement of meaningful punishments. The “Qatif Girl” case in Saudi Arabia is a good example. Attorney Abdul Rahman al-Lahem represented a gang-rape victim who was punished for being with non-related men (the rapists) without a chaperone. Al-Lahem lost his license for bringing the case to the media. Following international pressure, the disciplinary committee at the Justice Ministry in Riyadh agreed to return it.
Then what do we hear - oh, the Catholics did it. Well, we also have a history of a lot of bad things done by bad men - we don’t do those things anymore and the ‘honor killings’ that were done were done a CENTURY ago while ‘honor killings’ in islam are being done to this day by people of all countries and they bring it to our country.
The problem with these things is that this is a part of the ‘religion’ of islam. child marriages, ‘honor killings’ (by their acceptance of such things and doing nothing, and even telling us that sharia law is allah’s laws and those laws do nothing about slavery, child marriages and ‘honor killings’!), slavery and the atrocities done to non-muslims and even the poor treatment of their own women.
here is a wealth of articles on ‘honor killings’. Some in Pakistan (they are on the rise), Jordan, the USA, Australia, the UK, Saudi Arabia, etc. As usual the articles just pile up.
google.com/cse?cx=013255222075609514560%3Ayu16amghxpi&q=honor+killings
Does Islam Justify Honor Killings?
by Supna Zaidi
meforum.org/article/1988
quite often we hear this about ‘honor killings’ or something similar such as denials that it is islam., (a quote) It [the honor killing of Sandela] has nothing to do with Islam. This is a tribal, medieval mentality that is seen in tribes in Pakistan and India, and often is not even seen in Islamic communities. It’s basically part of the ignorance of the tribal community.
Here is why I assert that in all muslim countries their sharia laws do nothing about the perps, or very very little to the perps: (a quote)
**Thus, “harm to reputation” is a partial or complete defense to murder. No passage in the Koran discusses honor killings, but Muslim clerics justify them and secular Muslims either do not punish them or pass laws to mitigate punishment for them. With this, Muslims make honor killings a part of Islam.
Honor killings are justified under Islam in some Muslim countries such as Saudi Arabia. For example, tenth-grade textbooks teach Saudi children that it is permissible to kill adulterers. In April 2008, a girl was killed by her father for talking to a boy on Facebook, an online social networking website. **
(Another quote)
**Honor killings are justified as a necessary part of culture in other Muslim countries such as Jordan, which is technically a secular kingdom with a representative parliament. In 2001 King Abdallah presented a bill outlining stiff penalties for honor killings, but parliament rejected it, stating, “it [punishing honor killings] would encourage adultery and create new social problems.” Four years later, honor killings accounted for one-third of all violent deaths in Jordan in 2005, where perpetrators received as little as six months in prison under the penal code.
Secular Iraq offers no punishment**
And here are the elitist, upper middle class muslims do to handle ‘honor killings’ or those trying to stop it: (a quote)
The more secular, educated elites of Muslim countries may not be so backward as to commit such crimes themselves, but they know it is happening and prefer to look the other way. The upper and middle classes have a responsibility as civic and political leaders to defend women through education, the law, and enforcement of meaningful punishments. The “Qatif Girl” case in Saudi Arabia is a good example. Attorney Abdul Rahman al-Lahem represented a gang-rape victim who was punished for being with non-related men (the rapists) without a chaperone. Al-Lahem lost his license for bringing the case to the media. Following international pressure, the disciplinary committee at the Justice Ministry in Riyadh agreed to return it.
Then what do we hear - oh, the Catholics did it. Well, we also have a history of a lot of bad things done by bad men - we don’t do those things anymore and the ‘honor killings’ that were done were done a CENTURY ago while ‘honor killings’ in islam are being done to this day by people of all countries and they bring it to our country.
The problem with these things is that this is a part of the ‘religion’ of islam. child marriages, ‘honor killings’ (by their acceptance of such things and doing nothing, and even telling us that sharia law is allah’s laws and those laws do nothing about slavery, child marriages and ‘honor killings’!), slavery and the atrocities done to non-muslims and even the poor treatment of their own women.
here is a wealth of articles on ‘honor killings’. Some in Pakistan (they are on the rise), Jordan, the USA, Australia, the UK, Saudi Arabia, etc. As usual the articles just pile up.
google.com/cse?cx=013255222075609514560%3Ayu16amghxpi&q=honor+killings
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planten
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**Illicit sex is no crime in the christian countries. Ladies are not required to tell the name of the father of their babies. Nobody can ask them. They get (one year) paid holidays to produce children. There is no need to marry until they get a child first.
Such things are going on. But nobody cares. Nobody asks christians. **
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