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Jihad: Not Only Fighting

Muhammad Saleh Al-Munajjid

…Islam does not call for violence; rather it abhors all forms of violence and terrorism, whether against Muslims or non-Muslims. Islam, moreover, calls for peace, cooperation, and maintaining justice, and provides for the happiness and welfare of humanity as a whole. This fact is declared in the Qur’an when Allah says:

“Allah commands justice, the doing of good, and liberality to kith and kin, and He forbids all shameful deeds, and injustice and rebellion: He instructs you, that ye may receive admonition.”
(An-Nahl: 90)

Islam makes it obligatory upon Muslims to stand by the oppressed regardless of their race, color, religion or affiliation and say NO to the oppressor and ask him to respond to the voice of reason and justice.

Jihad is not restricted to fighting aggressive forces. Rather, there are various kinds that most of people are not aware of. For example, striving against the evil desires of the soul is a kind of jihad that every Muslim should carry out.

…The first jihad is followed by certainty of faith, and the second is followed by patience. Allah says:

“And We made from among them [Children of Israel], leaders, giving guidance under Our Command, when they were patient and used to believe with certainty in Our Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.)” (As-Sajdah: 24)

…Jihad against the leaders of oppression and innovation is of three kinds: jihad with one’s hand (i.e., physical jihad, fighting) if one is able. If that is not possible, then it should be with one’s tongue (i.e., by speaking out). If that is not possible, then it should be with one’s heart (i.e., by hating the evil and feeling that it is wrong…Physical jihad against the disbelievers becomes obligatory in four cases, which are:
  1. When the Muslim is present in a jihad situation.
  2. When the enemy has come and attacked a Muslim land
  3. When the ruler mobilizes the people, they must respond.
  4. When a person is needed and no one else can do the task except him.
…Jihad is obligatory and becomes fard `ayn if a person is present where fighting is going on. This is the first of the situations in which jihad becomes an individual obligation, because Allah says:

“O you who believe! When you meet those who disbelieve, in a battlefield, never turn your backs to them. And whoever turns his back to them on such a day — unless it be a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own), — he indeed has drawn upon himself wrath from Allah. And his abode is Hell, and worst indeed is that destination!” (Al-Anfal: 16)

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said that running away on the day when the army is advancing is one of the sins that doom a person to Hell. He said: “Avoid the seven sins that doom a person to Hell…” among which he mentioned running away on the day when the army is advancing. But Allah has made exceptions in two cases:

… Allah Almighty knows best.

For more information, you can read:

Levels of Jihad

Jihad in Islam: Preemptive or Defensive?

islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503546772
 
Salaam/peace

Q. Does the Quran Hate People of the Book?

Why are there so many references in the Qur’an and in the Hadith of hate and destruction specifically toward Jews and Christians?

ans : Shahul Hameed

…If we read the Books of the Old Testament, we find the prophets (and through them God) making very scathing attacks on the people who defied or ignored the teachings of the earlier prophets.

For example, we find these verses rebuking the transgressions of the Children of Israel in the Book of Jeremiah 3:8–10:

“And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery, I had put her away…And again, Jeremiah 5:7-8: “How shall I pardon thee for this? Thy children have forsaken me…

**
And now listen to Jesus rebuking the Israelites of his day in Matthew 23:25-33:

“Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites** :eek: :eek: :eek:

Can any sensible reader accuse God or His prophet here of hating Jews and Christians in the above verses?

If not, how then can we point a finger at God, claiming He hates Jews and Christians in the Qur’an when He is rebuking the transgressors among the Children of Israel?

And Allah knows best.

Useful Links:

Misinterpreted Verses and Hadiths About Violence

readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE&cid=1124255786495
Let Shahul Hameed know that rebuking and advocating the killing of Jews and Christians are two different issues. The Qur’an does advocate the killing of Jews and Christians, no matter how much one wants to wash-down its contents.

Besides, there were no Christians during this time of His ministry. They were still considered Jews. It is not until Pentecost His apostles became Christians by baptism of the Holy Spirit.
 
Salaam/peace

Q. Does the Qur’an Teach Violence?

The Qur’an says about the prohibition of murder, (…Take not life, which Allah hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus does He command you, that ye may learn wisdom.)

(Al-An`am 6: 151) and Allah says in the Qur’an, (Nor take life, which Allah has made sacred, except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, We have given his heir authority (to demand Qisas or to forgive): but let him not exceed bounds in the matter of taking life; for he is helped (by the law)) (Al-Israa’ 17: 33).
Muslims pretend not to know the notion of progressive revelation in the Koran. The sixth chapter belongs to the Mecca period of the Koran, during which Mohammad did his best to present his ideology as a religion of peace & tolerance (due to his lack of an army!). However, he changed his mind and conducted a constant campaign of war and hostility against ALL non-Muslims when he migrated to Medina and found many believers following him.
According to the Qur’an, killing any person without a just cause is as big a sin as killing the whole humanity and saving the life of one person is as good deed as saving the whole humanity. (See Al-Ma’idah 5: 32)
Strikingly, this verse is based on the biblical account of the first murder in human history (the story of Cain and Abel) and associated by the authors of the Koran with a specific commandment of the Mosaic Law. This specific prescription concerning the cases of murder cannot be found in the Torah, but in the Talmud though!

More, Muslims are always good at justifying their acts of oppression and murder. It has never been difficult for them to find a “just cause” to murder the non-Muslims.
your question is valid, then how come the Qur’an says, (kill them wherever you find them…) as it is mentioned in Surah Al-Baqarah 2: 191 and Surah An-Nisaa’ 4: 89. The answer is simple and that is, **you should read these verses in their textual and historical context. **

…but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression.
Oppression is a vague notion that is interpreted by Muslims in several ways. Many Muslims consider even the critique of Islam a spiritual form of oppression and war.
…Let me mention just a few verses from the Old Testament and New Testament and tell me what do you say about them:

… show no favor to them. (Deutronomy 7:1-2) :eek:

…you shall not leave alive anything that breathes (Deutronomy 20:10-17) :eek:

… kill every male among the little ones,… (Numbers 31:17-18) :eek:
Does Islam teach logical fallacies?

YES!
Muslims who quote these verses from the Old Testament deliberately ignore the fact that they commit a perfect logical fallacy by making a false analogy. Israel, which was a nation that needed to defend herself from her enemies cannot be logically compared to Islam, which is not a nation, but an ideology. More, the commandments in the OT to fight and murder the enemies were temporary with no theological implications. In Islam, however, Muslims are commanded to fight non-Muslims and humiliate them until their religion becomes the dominant religion in the whole world.
Even in the New Testament we read the following statement attributed to Jesus saying to his disciples:

… But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence." (Luke 19:26-27) :eek: :eek: :eek:
Does Islam spread lies about the Gospels and slander Jesus?

YES!

The quoted verse is the last line of a parable related by Jesus aiming to illustrate the things to occur on the day of judgment. Jesus asks His ANGELS rather than His disciples to slay the unbelievers.
 
Those Quranic verses and Ahadith have context/historical background too which people like you usually ignore. If they are read/understood by keeping in view the whole background/context, they are not voilent.

You are an another victim of anti-Islam propaganda.

Is it proper/fair to know/learn Catholicism from those Jews who are victims of Inquisition/holocaust or from those who in thier childhood were abused by the Catholic priests?

The Old Testament and even New Testament too is voilent and order unbelievable things. Just read your version of Bible (I don’t know which version you follow/think is the word of God/Inspired by the Holy Ghost/Spirit).
Your pagan prophet was a child abuser since he had sex with a 9 year old child! And yet Muslims continue to worship and emulate him in everything. How can you believe that such a man is worthy of such devotion?

Vickie
 
Muslims pretend not to know the notion of progressive revelation in the Koran. The sixth chapter belongs to the Mecca period of the Koran, during which Mohammad did his best to present his ideology as a religion of peace & tolerance (due to his lack of an army!). However, he changed his mind and conducted a constant campaign of war and hostility against ALL non-Muslims when he migrated to Medina and found many believers following him.
Hello angelos, I do not want to interfere but when I see you misguiding people then I have to mend the things. The Muslims were persecuted heavily , unjustly in Makkah. They were unarmed.Under the guidance of the Supreme prophet (Muhammad) of Allah, they acted like Prophet Jesus and did not react with any violence but kept on working peacefully with love for 13 years.

** But the infidels (devils, kafirs) did not let the Muslims live in peace. In Madinah, they were attacked again. The infidels came from 400 Kilometers and attacked the poor Muslims many times. Please angelos, why do you not mention such things? In Madinah, the prophet was acting like Moses and he retaliated after he was given permission by Allah. What is wrong with that?

Did you note, in the bible, any serious change / contradiction in the teachings of Jesus about preaching to the non-Jews?**
Strikingly, this verse is based on the biblical account of the first murder in human history (the story of Cain and Abel) and associated by the authors of the Koran with a specific commandment of the Mosaic Law. This specific prescription concerning the cases of murder cannot be found in the Torah, but in the Talmud though!
More, Muslims are always good at justifying their acts of oppression and murder. It has never been difficult for them to find a “just cause” to murder the non-Muslims.
** It is simply an accusation and some supposition.**
Oppression is a vague notion that is interpreted by Muslims in several ways. Many Muslims consider even the critique of Islam a spiritual form of oppression and war.
More accusations and wandering unsupported thoughts from angelos.
Does Islam teach logical fallacies?
YES!
Muslims who quote these verses from the Old Testament deliberately ignore the fact that they commit a perfect logical fallacy by making a false analogy. Israel, which was a nation that needed to defend herself from her enemies cannot be logically compared to Islam, which is not a nation, but an ideology. More, the commandments in the OT to fight and murder the enemies were temporary with no theological implications. In Islam, however, Muslims are commanded to fight non-Muslims and humiliate them until their religion becomes the dominant religion in the whole world.
More misguidance. Israel wanted to defend itself. Did the Muslims, a new emerging nation, not want to defend itself. It is a logical fallacy of angelos
Does Islam spread lies about the Gospels and slander Jesus?
The quoted verse is the last line of a parable related by Jesus aiming to illustrate the things to occur on the day of judgment. Jesus asks His ANGELS rather than His disciples to slay the unbelievers.
**WE do not blame Jesus or his mother for anything. But we Muslims blame the present day christians and request them to be reasonable. if they like something for themselvesf then they should allow the same to others too.

Be of balanced mind and be without prejudice. Thanks**.
 
Muslims pretend not to know the notion of progressive revelation in the Koran. The sixth chapter belongs to the Mecca period of the Koran, during which Mohammad did his best to present his ideology as a religion of peace & tolerance (due to his lack of an army!). However, he changed his mind and conducted a constant campaign of war and hostility against ALL non-Muslims when he migrated to Medina and found many believers following him.

Strikingly, this verse is based on the biblical account of the first murder in human history (the story of Cain and Abel) and associated by the authors of the Koran with a specific commandment of the Mosaic Law. This specific prescription concerning the cases of murder cannot be found in the Torah, but in the Talmud though!

More, Muslims are always good at justifying their acts of oppression and murder. It has never been difficult for them to find a “just cause” to murder the non-Muslims.

Oppression is a vague notion that is interpreted by Muslims in several ways. Many Muslims consider even the critique of Islam a spiritual form of oppression and war.

Does Islam teach logical fallacies?

YES!
Muslims who quote these verses from the Old Testament deliberately ignore the fact that they commit a perfect logical fallacy by making a false analogy. Israel, which was a nation that needed to defend herself from her enemies cannot be logically compared to Islam, which is not a nation, but an ideology. More, the commandments in the OT to fight and murder the enemies were temporary with no theological implications. In Islam, however, Muslims are commanded to fight non-Muslims and humiliate them until their religion becomes the dominant religion in the whole world.

Does Islam spread lies about the Gospels and slander Jesus?

YES!

The quoted verse is the last line of a parable related by Jesus aiming to illustrate the things to occur on the day of judgment. Jesus asks His ANGELS rather than His disciples to slay the unbelievers.
Kudos to you once again, Angelos, for another great post! 👍

Vickie
 
Salaam/peace

Q. Does the Quran Hate People of the Book?

Why are there so many references in the Qur’an and in the Hadith of hate and destruction specifically toward Jews and Christians?

ans : Shahul Hameed

…If we read the Books of the Old Testament, we find the prophets (and through them God) making very scathing attacks on the people who defied or ignored the teachings of the earlier prophets.

For example, we find these verses rebuking the transgressions of the Children of Israel in the Book of Jeremiah 3:8–10:

“And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery, I had put her away…And again, Jeremiah 5:7-8: “How shall I pardon thee for this? Thy children have forsaken me…

**
And now listen to Jesus rebuking the Israelites of his day in Matthew 23:25-33:

“Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites** :eek: :eek: :eek:

Can any sensible reader accuse God or His prophet here of hating Jews and Christians in the above verses?

If not, how then can we point a finger at God, claiming He hates Jews and Christians in the Qur’an when He is rebuking the transgressors among the Children of Israel?

And Allah knows best.

Useful Links:

Misinterpreted Verses and Hadiths About Violence

readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE&cid=1124255786495
You didn’t answer your own question. And we don’t kill those who are not Jews and Christians just because they are not of those two religions as muslims do.

So, answer your own question instead of posting your twisted logic. Nowhere does it say that Jesus says for us to kill non-Christians or non-Jews as your koran and hadiths certainly do. It is full of that sort of directions - and it is what your own prophet did - lied, looted, killed, tortured, assasinated, stole, enslaved, etc.
 
jihad - the fundamental of islam. I would like to go into it a bit on this thread. I posted this on the thread called ‘islam’, but it is appropriate here too for anyone who is looking for answers.

Here is a video (30 minutes - a free version of the one that is for sale) that has a muslim author about the Third Jihad. Yes, the jihad that is the fundamental of islam.

The Third Jihad

You will hear ‘moderates’ saying that suicide bombers are martyrs, how local muslim leaders refuse to take part in anything this muslim is saying, basically he is now an outcast in islam and has been portraying his as a dog. This is ‘moderate’ islam or ‘moderate’ muslims calling him these names - learn about the 3rd jihad, or what I call the stealth jihad.

jihad is to islam as the Resurrection is to Christianity. this is what many do not understand - that jihad is a fundamental aspect of islam - and if you read the koran and peruse the hadiths yourself, and also learn islamic history, you will find that the goal of muslims/islam is to establish sharia law throughout the land which means for us: death, conversion or subjugation. The goal is not necessarily to convert us to islam - just to spread sharia law, one caliphate. (sort of a ‘one world order’ mentality with a more of a stagnation of civilization).
 
Jihad: Not Only Fighting

Muhammad Saleh Al-Munajjid

…Islam does not call for violence; rather it abhors all forms of violence and terrorism, whether against Muslims or non-Muslims. Islam, moreover, calls for peace, cooperation, and maintaining justice, and provides for the happiness and welfare of humanity as a whole.
Not true. Any/all tolerance commanded by Mohammed for Moslems is restricted only to Moslems. You only need to read Mohammeds farewell speech if reading the Quran isn’t clear enough for you.
This fact is declared in the Qur’an when Allah says:
“Allah commands justice, the doing of good, and liberality to kith and kin, and He forbids all shameful deeds, and injustice and rebellion: He instructs you, that ye may receive admonition.”
(An-Nahl: 90)
He is speaking only to Moslems- he always is.
Islam makes it obligatory upon Muslims to stand by the oppressed regardless of their race, color, religion or affiliation and say NO to the oppressor and ask him to respond to the voice of reason and justice.
Not true. The Quran is quite clear that non-Moslems are excluded because justice allah style is conversion or death in the case of all but People of the Book who may keep their faith as long as they pay tribute and willingly accept a submissive role in Moslem dominated society and if they rebel against the Moslem- they too are killed.
Jihad is not restricted to fighting aggressive forces. Rather, there are various kinds that most of people are not aware of. For example, striving against the evil desires of the soul is a kind of jihad that every Muslim should carry out.
That same kind of illogic is used by the extreme pro-abortion groups. The very rare cases of rape and incest & health of the mother ‘justifies’ the ‘compassion’ displayed by society in permitting on-demand, anytime abortions.
…The first jihad is followed by certainty of faith, and the second is followed by patience.
Moslem centric theory- means nothing to or for the non-Moslem.
…Jihad against the leaders of oppression and innovation is of three kinds: jihad with one’s hand (i.e., physical jihad, fighting) if one is able. If that is not possible, then it should be with one’s tongue (i.e., by speaking out). If that is not possible, then it should be with one’s heart (i.e., by hating the evil and feeling that it is wrong…Physical jihad against the disbelievers becomes obligatory in four cases, which are:
  1. When the Muslim is present in a jihad situation.
Perpetual since Mohammed instituted the Cause of allah.
  1. When the enemy has come and attacked a Muslim land
Perpetual since Mohammed claims the earth for Islam.
  1. When the ruler mobilizes the people, they must respond.
George Bush has mobilized the people to fight In Moslem lands…if you are American you must respond- have you?
  1. When a person is needed and no one else can do the task except him.
George Bush needs you in Iraq and Afghanistan.
…Jihad is obligatory and becomes fard `ayn if a person is present where fighting is going on. This is the first of the situations in which jihad becomes an individual obligation, because Allah says:
O you who believe! When you meet those who disbelieve, in a battlefield, never turn your backs to them. And whoever turns his back to them on such a day — unless it be a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own), — he indeed has drawn upon himself wrath from Allah. And his abode is Hell, and worst indeed is that destination!” (Al-Anfal: 16)
Mohammed calls for perpetual religious war.
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said that running away on the day when the army is advancing is one of the sins that doom a person to Hell. He said: “Avoid the seven sins that doom a person to Hell…” among which he mentioned running away on the day when the army is advancing. But Allah has made exceptions in two cases:
… Allah Almighty knows best.
For more information, you can read:
Levels of Jihad
Mohammed shames and condemns people who do not want to fight in the Cause of Mohammed.
 
Hello angelos, I do not want to interfere but when I see you misguiding people then I have to mend the things. The Muslims were persecuted heavily , unjustly in Makkah. They were unarmed.Under the guidance of the Supreme prophet (Muhammad) of Allah, they acted like Prophet Jesus and did not react with any violence but kept on working peacefully with love for 13 years.
This means you admit that Mohammad’s policies went backwards in history. He supposedly imitated Jesus for a short time before imitating Moses until his death. Actually, Jesus was consistent with His teaching and never resorted to a military campaign against the unbelievers since His kingdom was from above and His army consisted of angels. Mohammad always had a desire to establish an earthly kingdom although he did not have the means in his early period. You imply that Jesus could not resist His enemies whereas the New Testament says He did not want to! Your comparison falls apart.
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But the infidels (devils, kafirs) did not let the Muslims live in peace. In Madinah, they were attacked again. The infidels came from 400 Kilometers and attacked the poor Muslims many times. Please angelos, why do you not mention such things? In Madinah, the prophet was acting like Moses and he retaliated after he was given permission by Allah. What is wrong with that?**
According to your reasoning, Mohammad thought that Moses came after Jesus! LOL

Besides, Moses was the leader of a nation (Israel). Your comparison implies that Mohammad’s prophetic mission was confined to the nation of Arabs.
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Did you note, in the bible, any serious change / contradiction in the teachings of Jesus about preaching to the non-Jews?**
There is no such thing in the Bible. Jesus ONLY ONCE said “I am sent to the lost sheep of Israel” because He wanted to test the faith of the Gentile woman and denounce the elected nation of God for her lack of faith in Him. Since Jesus never said that “I have come to SAVE (die for) only Israel”, your assertion is proven false.
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It is simply an accusation and some supposition.**
Keep your already blind eyes closed to the facts. Even Muslim scholars know that the Koran verse coming after the story of Cain and Abel reiterates the interpretation of a Jewish Rabbi in the Talmud.
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More accusations and wandering unsupported thoughts from angelos.**
All these suppositions are supported and proven true by mainstream Islam. Sorry, I do not have to modify the facts in order to adapt them to the misleading allegations of a heretical group named Ahmadiyya.
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More misguidance. Israel wanted to defend itself. Did the Muslims, a new emerging nation, not want to defend itself. It is a logical fallacy of angelos.**
Misguidance is derived from your inability to grasp the meaning of my posts. Muslims are not a nation, but a religious group! You seem to be confusing Arabs with Muslims.
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WE do not blame Jesus or his mother for anything. But we Muslims blame the present day christians and request them to be reasonable. if they like something for themselvesf then they should allow the same to others too.

Be of balanced mind and be without prejudice. Thanks**
You do blame Jesus because you distort His Gospel and spread lies about His teaching in order to defend your religion and prophet of pagan origin. You have no right to slander MY Jesus for the sake of your fake faith.

Thanks.
 
One untruth spread is that during mohammed’s time in Mecca that it was peaceful. Yes, the koran has more peaceful passages during mohammed’s time in Mecca - but mohammed was causing a lot of ‘hate and discontent’ in Mecca. and I will prove it via the muslim’s own hadiths.

Here are some hadiths that show that even when mohammed was in mecca - mohammed was not a very, nice guy. All these myths that his time in Meccas was peaceful is a fairy tale until one looks further into islam’s own writtings!

This one has one that says that mohammed’s time in Mecca wasn’t so peaceful, in fact he was harassing and bothering people and his own uncle was disturbed by his poor behavior:

Ishaq:119 “'Abu Tabib, your nephew Muhammad has cursed our gods [at this point he had cursed all of them, including Allah], insulted our religion [more correctly, insulted them by trying to steal their religion], mocked our way of life and accused our forefathers of error. Either you stop him or let us get to him. For you, like us, are in opposition to him. He gave them a conciliatory reply. They returned a second time and said, ‘We have asked you to put a stop to your nephew’s activities but you have not done so. By Allah, we cannot endure having our fathers reviled and our customs mocked.’ Muhammad thought that his uncle had the idea of abandoning and betraying him, and that he was going to lose his support. The Apostle broke into tears.”

Tabari VI:93 “The Quraysh went to Abu Talib and said, ‘Your nephew [Muhammad] has reviled our gods, denounced our religion, derided our traditional values, and told us that our forefathers were misguided [and burning in hell]. Either curb his attacks on us or give us a free hand to deal with him, for you are as opposed to him as we are.’ They said, ‘We asked you to forbid your nephew from attacking us, but you did nothing. By Allah, we can no longer endure this vilification of our forefathers, this derision of our traditional values, and this abuse of our gods.’ This breach and enmity with his tribe weighed heavily on Talib. ‘Abu Talib, you are our elder and our chief, so give us justice against your nephew and order him to desist from reviling our gods, and we will leave him to his god.’”

Tabari VI:95 “Abu Talib sent for Muhammad. ‘Nephew, here are the shaykhs and nobles of your tribe. They have asked for justice against you. You should desist from reviling their gods and they will leave you to your god.’”

Tabari VI:96 “Abu Talib said to Muhammad, ‘Nephew, how is it that your tribe is complaining of you and claiming that you are reviling their gods and saying this, that, and the other?’ The Messenger said, 'I want them to utter one saying. If they say it, the Arabs will submit to them and the non-Arabs will pay the jizyah [submission tax] to them.”
 
This means you admit that Mohammad’s policies went backwards in history. He supposedly imitated Jesus for a short time before imitating Moses until his death. Actually, Jesus was consistent with His teaching and never resorted to a military campaign against the unbelievers since His kingdom was from above and His army consisted of angels. Mohammad always had a desire to establish an earthly kingdom although he did not have the means in his early period. You imply that Jesus could not resist His enemies whereas the New Testament says He did not want to! Your comparison falls apart.
Jesus did not have any military force and he wanted to be called the king of the Jews. But when he was caught he changed his stance to having kingdom of another world. Why? He was very interested in being called the king.
There is no such thing in the Bible. Jesus ONLY ONCE said “I am sent to the lost sheep of Israel” because He wanted to test the faith of the Gentile woman and denounce the elected nation of God for her lack of faith in Him. Since Jesus never said that “I have come to SAVE (die for) only Israel”, your assertion is proven false.
**Now you are misleading everyone because you have no reply. You are a raw christian because you have recently converted from Muslim to some kind of christianity. You said you were not a Catholic.

Anyone can read the bible and find Jesus strictly directing his apostles not to preach to non-Jews. He himself also avoided preaching to non-Jews. That is a fact in broad day light. But you are denyting it. You are trying to give false meanings to the actions of Jesus, that he wanted to test the ideas of the non-Jew lady. Who told you that? You are making up things.**
 
One untruth spread is that during mohammed’s time in Mecca that it was peaceful. Yes, the koran has more peaceful passages during mohammed’s time in Mecca - but mohammed was causing a lot of ‘hate and discontent’ in Mecca. and I will prove it via the muslim’s own hadiths.

Here are some hadiths that show that even when mohammed was in mecca - mohammed was not a very, nice guy. All these myths that his time in Meccas was peaceful is a fairy tale until one looks further into islam’s own writtings!

This one has one that says that mohammed’s time in Mecca wasn’t so peaceful, in fact he was harassing and bothering people and his own uncle was disturbed by his poor behavior:

Ishaq:119 “'Abu Tabib, your nephew Muhammad has cursed our gods [at this point he had cursed all of them, including Allah], insulted our religion [more correctly, insulted them by trying to steal their religion], mocked our way of life and accused our forefathers of error. Either you stop him or let us get to him. For you, like us, are in opposition to him. He gave them a conciliatory reply. They returned a second time and said, ‘We have asked you to put a stop to your nephew’s activities but you have not done so. By Allah, we cannot endure having our fathers reviled and our customs mocked.’ Muhammad thought that his uncle had the idea of abandoning and betraying him, and that he was going to lose his support. The Apostle broke into tears.”

Tabari VI:93 “The Quraysh went to Abu Talib and said, ‘Your nephew [Muhammad] has reviled our gods, denounced our religion, derided our traditional values, and told us that our forefathers were misguided [and burning in hell]. Either curb his attacks on us or give us a free hand to deal with him, for you are as opposed to him as we are.’ They said, ‘We asked you to forbid your nephew from attacking us, but you did nothing. By Allah, we can no longer endure this vilification of our forefathers, this derision of our traditional values, and this abuse of our gods.’ This breach and enmity with his tribe weighed heavily on Talib. ‘Abu Talib, you are our elder and our chief, so give us justice against your nephew and order him to desist from reviling our gods, and we will leave him to his god.’”

Tabari VI:95 “Abu Talib sent for Muhammad. ‘Nephew, here are the shaykhs and nobles of your tribe. They have asked for justice against you. You should desist from reviling their gods and they will leave you to your god.’”

Tabari VI:96 “Abu Talib said to Muhammad, ‘Nephew, how is it that your tribe is complaining of you and claiming that you are reviling their gods and saying this, that, and the other?’ The Messenger said, 'I want them to utter one saying. If they say it, the Arabs will submit to them and the non-Arabs will pay the jizyah [submission tax] to them.”
More Hadith now. Hadith is man made as the bible NT. Yet Hadith is more reliable than the bible NT. But both are the works of men. The words of bible NT and hadith are not the words of God. So what is the use of using man made books?
 
More Hadith now. Hadith is man made as the bible NT. Yet Hadith is more reliable than the bible NT. But both are the works of men. The words of bible NT and hadith are not the words of God. So what is the use of using man made books?
Hello planten,glad to meet you after long time:) .Btw,ya you are correct,hadith is man made, but as Koran(not as NT because NT is the words of God).When you will solve me these mistakes of quran?Like allah had created the universe in 6 days and also in 8 days?and once allah assured us that his word can not be change and later he said that he can change it?etc etc.(forget about inheritance law’s mathematical fault,because i guess that you have no pure answer:) ).And if hadiths are reliable than NT then why do you deny them,what does not support your theory?😉
 
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Fatima - Australia

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I am a new Muslim and my family members are Christian… I would like to know if it is allowed for us to attend these family gatherings a few times a year if we eat only halal foods or should we avoid them if family members at the table are consuming pork or alcohol?

Answer : Ahmad Kutty

… Qur’an and the Prophetic traditions are replete with orders for Muslims to foster ties of kinship regardless of differences in religion.

Allah says, Your Lord has decreed that you worship none but Him, and that you show kindness to your two parents.

If either or both of them attain old age with you, (show no sign of impatience, and) do not (even) say “fie!” to them nor rebuke them, but speak kind words to them.

And lower unto them of mercy the wing of humility, and say: “Lord, be merciful to them both, just as they cared for me when I was small.”(Al-Israa’ 17:23-24).

[And [God says:] "We have enjoined upon man goodness towards his parents: his mother bore him in weakness upon weakness, and his weaning was in two years. Thank Me and your two parents.

To Me is the return. But if they try to force you to associate with Me that of which you have no knowledge, then obey them not. Keep their company with kindness in this world, and follow the path of him who turns to Me.
Then to Me will be your return, and I shall tell you what you did."] (Luqman 31:14-15)

…The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “Those who sever ties of kinship cannot hope to enter paradise.” Once a person asked the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) to guide him to the best of morals, he replied, “Join ties with those who sever ties with you; give to those who deny you, and forgive those who harm you.”

So you should never neglect your ties with your parents and relatives… I must also point out that the above must never lead you to compromise your commitment to the dictates of your own faith.

You may do well to let them know that you would be honored to join the family at the dinner table, but that you are not allowed to consume alcohol, pork, or their by-products. This will give you an opportunity to educate them on the Islamic dietary laws and their rationale.

… Let us remember the enduring words of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), “I have been sent to perfect the highest morals”; and, “I am a gift of mercy (unto the worlds) from Allah.”

Excerpted, with slight modifications, from: www.islam.ca.

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i agree, the quran should not be used by anyone for anything 😃
The Quran is not man made. It is a complete revealed book from Almighty God. The bible is man made and so is Hadith. We may not rely too much on bible NT or Hadith.
 
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