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trustme80
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Angelos
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Question: Who could be worse than a lying Muslim?
Answer: A lying member of Ahmadiyya.
Jesus never wanted to be called the king of the Jews. The New Testament proves you a LIAR once more:
John 6:15
Jesus therefore, when he knew that they would come to take him by force and make him king, fled again into the mountains, himself alone.
Being honest is more important than winning a debate through lies, dear planten. I wish you could get a lesson.
I am not Roman Catholic. However, Catholics and Protestants agree with me on the interpretation of Jesus’ statement recorded only by Matthew. Jesus accomplished His prophetic mission in Israel for sure, but He died for ALL those who believe in Him. This is best stated in the prologue to John’s Gospel:
John 1:11-12
He came unto his own: and his own received him not. But as many as received him, **he gave them power to be made the sons of God, to them that believe in his name.
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The Gospel proves you a LIAR a second time in one single post. Jesus preached to non-Jews. Although He first sent His apostles to Israel and asked them not to go to Samaritan towns, He himself preached in Samaria when He had a discourse with a Samaritan woman at Jacob’s well (John 4:1-42).
Jesus actually tested the Gentile woman and praised her faith in sharp contrast to the disbelief of Jews, who were chosen by God and given priority for the declaration of the Gospel.
Dear planten, you should read the Gospels and ponder over them. Jesus referred to the people of Nineveh and to the queen of Sheba for the same reason. He highlighted and praised the faith of Gentiles (even females) whenever He criticised Israel for her lack of faith.
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Angelos
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Nevertheless, Muslims are expected to ignore/deny their non-Muslim parents by following Mohammad as a model. Mohammad himself severed his ties with his pagan parents when he claimed to be the final messenger.
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And so is the koran written by man and thought up by a man - a guy who was not a very nice guy either and one who was a looter, a mass murderer, a marauding gangster, a pedophile, an assasin, a lustful womanizer, a liar, an enslaver, and what not - and it is even less reliable because it came from the memories of guys some 200 years after mohammed died. And the hadiths are very much a part of islam as the koran is. It is too convenient for muslims to deny this when they have no answers or are embarressed to realize that mohammed started out just as big a nuisance and only got worse as time went on.
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Salaam/peace
What Islam says about the Bible
Abdullah - United Arab Emirates
Q. We (the Muslims) were discussing various topics with Christians on an Islamic discussion forum.
The Christians made certain comments, which I’d like you to respond to. Here is what they said: “All food was lawful to the Children of Israel, except what Israel Made unlawful for itself, before the Law (of Moses) was revealed.
…Say: “Bring ye the Law and study it, if ye be men of truth.”
Surah 3 Verse 93
The Christians said: “The problem is that the ayah is saying to follow the Torah. However, Muslims say that the Torah has been corrupted and lost. How could the Jews study the Torah unless the book they had at Muhammad’s time is the Book from Moses’ time?”…
Shahul Hameed : … Books of God as revealed to Moses and Jesus do not exist now in the original form and language.
…The “original” extant copies of the gospels are in Greek, a western language… Was Jesus quoting, from these Greek books, written many years after his disappearance when he was addressing his people? Certainly not! He was quoting from the Book he received from God, which was the original Bible in the language of his own people.
The argument that God revealed his Bible to Jesus in Greek is like saying that God revealed the Qur’an to Muhammad in English!
**… Modern Christians are ardent followers of St. Paul, even in cases where Paul clearly contradicts Jesus! **
The Islamic request to Christians is just this: Please follow Jesus, don’t follow Paul, who preaches a different gospel!
…The Qur’anic position about the previous scriptures is clarified in the following verse:
To thee We sent the Scripture in truth,
confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety:
so judge between them by what God hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee.
To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way. If God had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues.
The goal of you all is to God; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute; Surah 5 Verse 48
…keepers of the previous books had distorted them is made clear in another verse:
Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: “This is from God,”
to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.
Surah 2 Verse 79
…“How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie” (Jeremiah 8:8, quoted from the New American Standard Bible).
…We have good evidence in the Gospels themselves that Jesus was using the original Bible for his preaching. He used to refer to it as The Gospel of the Kingdom:
“And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.” (Matthew 4: 23)
Here it is said that Jesus preached the Gospel of the Kingdom. Ask those Christian disputants whether Jesus was preaching one of the four Canonical gospels included in the Bible in 325 C.E, written not in Jesus’ own Aramaic language, but in the western language of Greek, at least thirty years after his alleged crucifixion.
It is so obvious that no Christian scholar, worth his salt, can deny the fact that the present gospels contain the words of God, the words of Jesus and the words of the writer. That means that they are not fully God’s word. The Islamic belief is also the same.
readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1123996015484&pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE
What Islam says about the Bible
Abdullah - United Arab Emirates
Q. We (the Muslims) were discussing various topics with Christians on an Islamic discussion forum.
The Christians made certain comments, which I’d like you to respond to. Here is what they said: “All food was lawful to the Children of Israel, except what Israel Made unlawful for itself, before the Law (of Moses) was revealed.
…Say: “Bring ye the Law and study it, if ye be men of truth.”
Surah 3 Verse 93
The Christians said: “The problem is that the ayah is saying to follow the Torah. However, Muslims say that the Torah has been corrupted and lost. How could the Jews study the Torah unless the book they had at Muhammad’s time is the Book from Moses’ time?”…
Shahul Hameed : … Books of God as revealed to Moses and Jesus do not exist now in the original form and language.
…The “original” extant copies of the gospels are in Greek, a western language… Was Jesus quoting, from these Greek books, written many years after his disappearance when he was addressing his people? Certainly not! He was quoting from the Book he received from God, which was the original Bible in the language of his own people.
The argument that God revealed his Bible to Jesus in Greek is like saying that God revealed the Qur’an to Muhammad in English!
**… Modern Christians are ardent followers of St. Paul, even in cases where Paul clearly contradicts Jesus! **
The Islamic request to Christians is just this: Please follow Jesus, don’t follow Paul, who preaches a different gospel!
…The Qur’anic position about the previous scriptures is clarified in the following verse:
To thee We sent the Scripture in truth,
confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety:
so judge between them by what God hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee.
To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way. If God had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues.
The goal of you all is to God; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute; Surah 5 Verse 48
…keepers of the previous books had distorted them is made clear in another verse:
Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: “This is from God,”
to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.
Surah 2 Verse 79
…“How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie” (Jeremiah 8:8, quoted from the New American Standard Bible).
…We have good evidence in the Gospels themselves that Jesus was using the original Bible for his preaching. He used to refer to it as The Gospel of the Kingdom:
“And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.” (Matthew 4: 23)
Here it is said that Jesus preached the Gospel of the Kingdom. Ask those Christian disputants whether Jesus was preaching one of the four Canonical gospels included in the Bible in 325 C.E, written not in Jesus’ own Aramaic language, but in the western language of Greek, at least thirty years after his alleged crucifixion.
It is so obvious that no Christian scholar, worth his salt, can deny the fact that the present gospels contain the words of God, the words of Jesus and the words of the writer. That means that they are not fully God’s word. The Islamic belief is also the same.
readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1123996015484&pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE
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cathopologist
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Muslim Woman, why do you quote words from a man who clearly has very little understanding of Christianity? I wish you had a mind of your own, instead of relying on Christian haters.
Why don’t you show us where Paul contradicts Jesus?
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Salaam/peace
“That Prophet”? by Yusuf Estes - ex Pastor , new Muslim
“Are you THAT Prophet?” [Bible - John 1:20]
The Comforter, the Spirit of Truth, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said unto you."[Bible - John 14:26]
Jesus, the son of Mary, said, “A messenger will come after me,named Ahmad.” [Quran 61:6]
The chief priests and Levites asked John the Baptist, “If you are not the Christ (Messiah), and not Elijah - are you THAT Prophet?”
[John 1:20]
… he does tell them about someone who will come after him soon, whom he claims he is not worthy to even unlace his shoes.
However, this does not answer the question, “Who were they expecting besides the Messiah?” Could it be they were looking for someone like Muhammad? (Could be)
Who is THAT Prophet? -
Keep reading and learn who “That Prophet” is and what other proofs can be discovered within the Holy texts to support this idea.
…The Quran states one of the important features of Jesus’ mission was to give the “bashir” or ‘glad tidings’ of the coming of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.
… The Quran mentions that, Jesus says: "O Children of Israel!
I am the messenger of Allah {Almighty God} (sent) to you, confirming the Law (Torah or Old Testament) before me, and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." (Surah 61:6)
…Another point is, the Paracletos, comforter or the Spirit of truth, was going to dwell with us from now on. Certainly anyone could see Muhammad’s influence and his message of worshipping only One God without any partners has prevailed long after his earthly life.
islamtomorrow.com/bible/that_prophet.asp
“That Prophet”? by Yusuf Estes - ex Pastor , new Muslim
“Are you THAT Prophet?” [Bible - John 1:20]
The Comforter, the Spirit of Truth, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said unto you."[Bible - John 14:26]
Jesus, the son of Mary, said, “A messenger will come after me,named Ahmad.” [Quran 61:6]
The chief priests and Levites asked John the Baptist, “If you are not the Christ (Messiah), and not Elijah - are you THAT Prophet?”
[John 1:20]
… he does tell them about someone who will come after him soon, whom he claims he is not worthy to even unlace his shoes.
However, this does not answer the question, “Who were they expecting besides the Messiah?” Could it be they were looking for someone like Muhammad? (Could be)
Who is THAT Prophet? -
Keep reading and learn who “That Prophet” is and what other proofs can be discovered within the Holy texts to support this idea.
…The Quran states one of the important features of Jesus’ mission was to give the “bashir” or ‘glad tidings’ of the coming of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.
… The Quran mentions that, Jesus says: "O Children of Israel!
I am the messenger of Allah {Almighty God} (sent) to you, confirming the Law (Torah or Old Testament) before me, and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." (Surah 61:6)
…Another point is, the Paracletos, comforter or the Spirit of truth, was going to dwell with us from now on. Certainly anyone could see Muhammad’s influence and his message of worshipping only One God without any partners has prevailed long after his earthly life.
islamtomorrow.com/bible/that_prophet.asp
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Or to have muslim woman, or any muslim, prove that the Bible was corrupted. Their version of the Bible goes against the Christian version, and also the Old Testament of the Jews.
Oh, and make sure if you want to prove the Bible was corrupted - make sure to NOT use the koran and hadiths since those are from the illiterate pagan, mohammed, who couldn’t even read the Bible for himself.
There should be an uncorrupted version out there since they assert we have the corrupted version. Tell us all where it is and how to refer to it.
Oh, and make sure if you want to prove the Bible was corrupted - make sure to NOT use the koran and hadiths since those are from the illiterate pagan, mohammed, who couldn’t even read the Bible for himself.
There should be an uncorrupted version out there since they assert we have the corrupted version. Tell us all where it is and how to refer to it.
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cathopologist
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I see that you have avoided my request. Are you afraid of giving your own answers? Quoting lines from Christian haters are of little use to me.Salaam/peace
“That Prophet”? by Yusuf Estes - ex Pastor , new Muslim
“Are you THAT Prophet?” [Bible - John 1:20]
The Comforter, the Spirit of Truth, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said unto you."[Bible - John 14:26]
Jesus, the son of Mary, said, “A messenger will come after me,named Ahmad.” [Quran 61:6]
The chief priests and Levites asked John the Baptist, “If you are not the Christ (Messiah), and not Elijah - are you THAT Prophet?”
[John 1:20]
… he does tell them about someone who will come after him soon, whom he claims he is not worthy to even unlace his shoes.
However, this does not answer the question, “Who were they expecting besides the Messiah?” Could it be they were looking for someone like Muhammad? (Could be)
Who is THAT Prophet? -
Keep reading and learn who “That Prophet” is and what other proofs can be discovered within the Holy texts to support this idea.
…The Quran states one of the important features of Jesus’ mission was to give the “bashir” or ‘glad tidings’ of the coming of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.
… The Quran mentions that, Jesus says: "O Children of Israel!
I am the messenger of Allah {Almighty God} (sent) to you, confirming the Law (Torah or Old Testament) before me, and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." (Surah 61:6)
…Another point is, the Paracletos, comforter or the Spirit of truth, was going to dwell with us from now on. Certainly anyone could see Muhammad’s influence and his message of worshipping only One God without any partners has prevailed long after his earthly life.
islamtomorrow.com/bible/that_prophet.asp
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Angelos
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Shahul Hameed is apparently a lying and dishonest Muslim that tries to deceive Muslims through the deliberate distortion of his book (the Koran)!
According to many verses in the Koran, Mohammad confirmed the authenticity of the Torah OF HIS TIME. This means it was impossible for Jews to corrupt the Torah after it had been preserved in its original form for so many centuries until Mohammad’s era:
Surah 28:48-49
But when there came unto them the Truth from Our presence, they said: Why is he not given the like of what was given unto Moses ? Did they not disbelieve in that which was given unto Moses of old ? They say: Two magics that support each other; and they say: Lo! in both we are disbelievers. Say (unto them, O Muhammad): Then bring a scripture from the presence of Allah that giveth clearer guidance than these two (that) I may follow it, if ye are truthful.
Surah 5:43
How come they unto thee for judgment when **they have the Torah, wherein Allah hath delivered judgment (for them) **? Yet even after that they turn away. Such (folk) are not believers.
Mr Hameed also ignores the fact that the word Injeel in Arabic is a the transliteration of the Greek word “Evangelion” for the word “Gospel”. Thus, the Islamic scripture mysteriously claims that Allah gave a Greek scripture to Jews through Jesus!
According to Hameed, Allah supposedly sent the Koran to confirm and guard the allegedly corrupted Bible!
This verse is incomplete and detached from its context. In the same Surah there is another verse which says:
Surah 5:47
Let the People of the Gospel judge by that which Allah hath revealed therein. Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed: such are evil-livers.
And another:
Surah 5:68
Say O People of the Scripture! Ye have naught (of guidance) till **ye observe the Torah and the Gospel **and that which was revealed unto you from your Lord.
These verses are irrelevant to our discussion.
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Angelos
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This is another apparent lie from Mr Hameed! We cannot trust his allegations since he distorts his own scripture by ignoring the context of the verses and misinterpreting them!!!
These verses refer to SOME Jews who re-write the Torah and try to make it pass as the genuine one. However, the Koran never says that the original Torah is lost or replaced with the fake copy!
Surah 2:78-79
And there are among them illiterates who know not the Book but only lies, and they do but conjecture. Woe, then, to those who write the book with their hands and then say: This is from Allah, so that they may take for it a small price; therefore woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.
These sentences are related because they claim that some illiterate Jews who do not know the Torah easily believe some dishonest Jews that give them the false copy of the Torah. The verb “write” in the verses has present tense marker, which means that those supposed dishonest Jews lived at Mohammad’s time.
This verse in the book of Isaiah does not support the Islamic theories of biblical corruption since it obviously refers to the misleading interpretation of the Mosaic Law by dishonest people. The following verses explain what is meant by the lying pen of the scribes:
Jeremiah 8:9-10
The wise men are confounded, they are dismayed, and taken: for they have cast away the word of the Lord, and there is no wisdom in them. Therefore will I give their women to strangers, their fields to others for an inheritance: because from the least even to the greatest all follow covetousness: from the prophet even to the priest all deal deceitfully.
The Koran denies the possibility of textual corruption of God’s revelations:
Surah 6:34
And certainly apostles before you were rejected, but they were patient on being rejected and persecuted until Our help came to them; and there is none to change the words of Allah, and certainly there has come to you some information about the messengers.
Surah 18:27
And recite what has been revealed to you of the Book of your Lord, there is none who can alter His words; and you shall not find any refuge besides Him.
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Here are a few of the similiarites between islam and Mein Kampf. It isn’t the Bible that we can compare islam to, it is the Mein Kampf. The muslims are so unwilling to prove that their assertions that the Bible was corrupted, but we know that people like Stalin said, ‘repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth’. So, it is a myth that the Bible was corrupted and especially when the assertion comes from a guy who was an illiterate pagan.
Now, we can compare the teachings of islam to Mein Kampf. You have to read both texts of islam, and also Mein Kampf and you will certainly see the similarities. Also, the history of both - granted the Nazis had a relatively short history, but islam does not and its history of bloodshed and terror is still going on to this day. We see in the UK yet another severe terror warning from the ‘religion of peace’.
UK
I.
Mein Kampf:676, “Spiritual terror…men must threaten and dominate men by compulsion. Compulsion is only broken by compulsion and terror by terror.”
Bukhari:V4B52N220 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been made victorious with terror.’”
II.
Mein Kampf:677 “Since our view of life will never share power with another, it cannot co-operate with the existing doctrines it condemns. It is obliged to fight by all available means until the entire world of hostile ideas collapses.”
Bukhari:V4B53N386 “Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah Alone.”
III.
Mein Kampf:677 “This corrosive fight…for the new program and new view of life [religion] demands determined fighters…and a forceful fighting organization. The recipe for a favorable result requires the formulation of a declaration of war against all existing order [religions and doctrines], and against all existing conceptions of life in general.”
(Just like Islam, it was the Nazis against the world. The “House of Islam” forever battles the “House of War.” )
Tabari IX:69 “He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for those who disbelieve, we will fight them forever in the Cause of Allah. Killing them is a small matter to us.”
IV.
Mein Kampf:679 “The strength of a party lies in the disciplined obedience of the members to follow their leadership. The decisive factors are leadership and discipline. When troops battle one another, the victorious one will be that which is blindly obedient to the Superior Leader.”
Islam says: Ishaq:601 “The best men launch spears as if they were swords. They peer forward unweariedly. They devote their lives to their Prophet. In hand-to-hand fighting and cavalry attacks they purify themselves with the blood of the infidels. They consider that an act of piety.”
V.
Mein Kampf:680 “In order to lead a view of life to victory, we have to transform it into a fighting movement.”
Ishaq:587 “Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have cut off every opponent’s nose and ears with our swords. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them for they must suffer disgrace.”
There are more, one only has to read.
Now, we can compare the teachings of islam to Mein Kampf. You have to read both texts of islam, and also Mein Kampf and you will certainly see the similarities. Also, the history of both - granted the Nazis had a relatively short history, but islam does not and its history of bloodshed and terror is still going on to this day. We see in the UK yet another severe terror warning from the ‘religion of peace’.
UK
I.
Mein Kampf:676, “Spiritual terror…men must threaten and dominate men by compulsion. Compulsion is only broken by compulsion and terror by terror.”
Bukhari:V4B52N220 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been made victorious with terror.’”
II.
Mein Kampf:677 “Since our view of life will never share power with another, it cannot co-operate with the existing doctrines it condemns. It is obliged to fight by all available means until the entire world of hostile ideas collapses.”
Bukhari:V4B53N386 “Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah Alone.”
III.
Mein Kampf:677 “This corrosive fight…for the new program and new view of life [religion] demands determined fighters…and a forceful fighting organization. The recipe for a favorable result requires the formulation of a declaration of war against all existing order [religions and doctrines], and against all existing conceptions of life in general.”
(Just like Islam, it was the Nazis against the world. The “House of Islam” forever battles the “House of War.” )
Tabari IX:69 “He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for those who disbelieve, we will fight them forever in the Cause of Allah. Killing them is a small matter to us.”
IV.
Mein Kampf:679 “The strength of a party lies in the disciplined obedience of the members to follow their leadership. The decisive factors are leadership and discipline. When troops battle one another, the victorious one will be that which is blindly obedient to the Superior Leader.”
Islam says: Ishaq:601 “The best men launch spears as if they were swords. They peer forward unweariedly. They devote their lives to their Prophet. In hand-to-hand fighting and cavalry attacks they purify themselves with the blood of the infidels. They consider that an act of piety.”
V.
Mein Kampf:680 “In order to lead a view of life to victory, we have to transform it into a fighting movement.”
Ishaq:587 “Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have cut off every opponent’s nose and ears with our swords. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them for they must suffer disgrace.”
There are more, one only has to read.
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trustme80
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In John 1, John was asked is he The Christ, he answered no, then he was asked is he Elijah, he answered no, then he was asked is he The Prophet, he answered no.
Finally when he was asked " Who are you ?"
23 John replied in the words of Isaiah the prophet, "I am the voice of one calling in the desert, ‘Make straight the way for the Lord.’ "
24 Now some Pharisees who had been sent
25 questioned him, “Why then do you baptize if you are not the Christ, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet ?”
26 I baptize with* water," John replied, "but among you stands one you do not know.
27 He is the one who comes after me, the thongs of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie."
28 This all happened at Bethany on the other side of the Jordan, where John was baptizing.
29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
30 This is the one I meant when I said, ‘A man who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’
Those verses has absolutely nothing to do whatsoever with Muhammad.
You forgot to mention that the comforter, the spirit of truth also “dwelleth with you, and shall be in you”.
John 14:17-18 :
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Obviously, it’s not talking about Muhammad.*
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Angelos
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Could you please explain or ask that so-called ex-Christian on my behalf how the Jews reacted to Jesus when he supposedly gave the glad tidings of a prophet with an Arabic name??? Did they understand the word/name AHMAD Jesus supposedly uttered?“That Prophet”? by Yusuf Estes - ex Pastor , new Muslim
“Are you THAT Prophet?” [Bible - John 1:20]
The Comforter, the Spirit of Truth, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said unto you."[Bible - John 14:26]
Jesus, the son of Mary, said, “A messenger will come after me,named Ahmad.” [Quran 61:6]
This reference proves that the supposed ex-Christian is still unaware of the theological problems stemming from 61:6! According to this verse, Jesus supposedly predicted that a prophet named Ahmad would come to the people He Himself addressed and had been sent to. Who were those people? Where did they live? They were Jews living in Israel. Since the Koran repeatedly says that Mohammad was sent to his own folk (Arabs), it is IMPOSSIBLE for Ahmad to be the same person as Mohammad.
John 14:17
The spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, nor knoweth him. But you shall know him; because he shall abide with you and shall be in you.
Was Mohammad an invisible spirit? No!
Was Mohammad in Jesus’ followers? No!
John 14:26
But the Paraclete, the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring all things to your mind, whatsoever I shall have said to you.
Was Mohammad sent by the Father in Jesus’ name? No!
John 15:26
When the Paraclete cometh, whom I will send you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceedeth from the Father, he shall give testimony of me.
Was Mohammad sent by Jesus? No!
Another point: Jesus promised the Comforter only to His followers, not to every human.
Conclusion: Mohammad is not and cannot be the Paraclete! Muslims should stop dreaming.
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planten
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**My reply to you R_Not is the same that I gave to Lance recently. Muhammad did not make any secret marriage like did Jesus. Muhammad did not produce any secret child like Jesus had a son from Mary Magd.
The birth of Jesus was also bad. Could not be considered legal birth by any means. I hope you will understand and look in your own house first before abusing others.
This illegal birth of Jesus and his illegal production of a son will remain a big question forever for the christians to explain.
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R_not
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I think you are making up a lot of stories - Jesus did not get married. wherever you read that is blatently wrong. Not one apostle said he got married - and they should know - they were there with him!
And as far as his birth being illegal - God chose His mother, I would say that is more than enough legality for me. There is no one higher than God! And Joseph helped her out by marrying her so she would not come to harm. Joseph is mentioned so little in the Bible, but I look at him as being a very, brave man. And a very, good and holy man too. I don’t even have the words to express how I feel about Joseph, but he, to me, is the role model for all fathers on this earth.
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cathopologist
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There are a couple i believe, who are sincere in dialogues. They are IMO, Sister Amy and meedo. I hope they don’t mind me naming them. I’m sure there are more.
You know, what strikes me most is the difference in attitudes towards Christians and Jews online. Most Muslims i know (personally) are generally well-informed individuals and have no problems accepting Christians as their neighbours, friends and colleagues (there are very few Jews in my country); however wary they may be of us because of what their holy book teaches them.
You know, what strikes me most is the difference in attitudes towards Christians and Jews online. Most Muslims i know (personally) are generally well-informed individuals and have no problems accepting Christians as their neighbours, friends and colleagues (there are very few Jews in my country); however wary they may be of us because of what their holy book teaches them.
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swariffin
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cathopologist
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Islam started out as a rival to Judaism and Christianity. Mohammad probably thought, “Both have had revelations from God. Why is it that my people have not been chosen for His purposes?” It’s not difficult to invent a new religion and Mohammad proved that.
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