I go with Jesus and the Apostles.
Indeed. Quite restrained really, in the circs.
That would be my view. My vote would go to some unknown Roman soldier or Dark Age money man. Where would your vote go? But I would guess Augustine might be the first response of the CofE member in the pew. I’m pretty certain your hobby H VIII would not be most churchgoers’ first response, and the view of many Catholics expressed on this forum that the CofE is just the product of H VIII’s loins, as it were, would strike most of them as weird, I think. (Mind you, it is a guess, and I’ve no intention of attempting a survey on Sunday morning.)
I guess, then, it is fair to ask you: Is it a “silly question” whether we Catholics consider our break with Orthodoxy to be a good thing or not (seeing as we never reconciled)?
I did say she wasn’t very successful at it, of course, and – although I grant a lot of work has gone into Liz’s public relations – I think there is some degree of agreement that tolerance was what she wanted. Well, tolerance so long as Catholics weren’t plotting to take her life or seize her throne or invade her country. I certainly grant you that religious tolerance was not the salient feature of life under Henry or Mary or Elizabeth.
I’ve posted a lot on this, in the past. My general position is that the origin, in time and from where, is murky. I do not follow the Glastonbury/Joseph of Arimathea legends, as historical. But certainly, whether St. Alban was historical or not, the Church in England was sufficiently organized, into dioceses, by the 3rd century, to attend a couple of Councils, and be marked “present”.
Apostolicae Curae is another long-time hobby of mine. I would not express what I think you are referring to as “re-establishing”.
Yes, I’m sure you are right about Glastonbury. Mind you, the shoploads of new age junk and witchery and ley line nonsense and Epona stuff on sale in Glastonbury today makes me sceptical about anything to do with the place.
The rcc has a magisterium , doctrines, and popular opinions of motley individal catholics. the tec has doctrines and the motley.
Good deal.
I blame Regnans in Excelsis, mainly. But I’ve also read Hogge’s GOD’S SECRET AGENTS.
I’m a fan of ley lines myself. Fictional, of course, but I once wanted to write an alternate history SF that turned, largely, on ley lines. Read through Watkins and Michell.
With reference to the Elizabethan compromise, I often note that Liz would have a peaceable realm, if she had to kill to get it.
I don’t understand your position here. Clearly marriage (whatever God has joined together, etc.) and Confession (whose sins you shall forgive, etc.) come straight from the mouth of the Lord. He established the priesthood at the Last Supper. Confirmation Bar Mitzvah) comes from ancient Hebrew tradition, which isn’t the Gospel, but Jesus followed that law for most of His life. How can you say the Gospel gives you only two Sacraments? No offense, but don’t you mean Martin Luther gave you only two?
Is that funny? I find it odd that anyone would reject the authority of the pope, who is the biblically ordained Vicar of Christ, and accept the authority of Henry VIII. More (or less) than odd.
Is what funny? You continuing to try and find something to argue about and twist words? No I do not find that funny at all.
Not a good analogy, Peter. The Catholic Church did not break with the Eastern Church nor is she the bar to reconciliation.
And you might have added, acceptance of the doctrines is mandatory if you want to be a Catholic.
The number of sacraments is not much of an issue with both Lutherans and Anglicans. The 2 sacraments instituted by Our Lord are the primary focus. The Augsburg Confession identifies Holy Absolution [private confession] as a sacrament and points out the sacramental nature of Holy Orders also. But most Lutherans view the others as sacramental rites.
