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Ferde_Rombola
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They are, unfortunately, the ones in charge. And I think it’s more than a minority.
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Sy_Noe
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I’ve seen it said TEC blesses gay marriages. But am I incorrect that in some dioceses of TEC, bishops allow priests to bless SS unions. But marriage is still considered to be only between a man and a woman even in TEC?
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aidanbradypop
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It all depends on the Bishop of the diocese as to the blessing of ss unions. Holy Matrimony is between a man and a woman.
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Sy_Noe
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Dustin, thank you. I probably should have been clearer and said Holy Matrimony rather than gay marriage since in some states in the US, gay civil marriage is legal. Anglicans/Episcopalians teach 7 Sacraments as does the Roman Church, 1 of which is Holy Matrimony or sacramental marriage, is this correct?
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aidanbradypop
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The Episcopal Church has two Sacraments. Baptism and Holy Communion are the two. Matrimony is a sacramental rite.
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Sy_Noe
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Ok thanks for the correction. I know I had seen 7 listed on TEC’s site’s sacraments pg and thought there were 7. So there are 2 Sacraments and the other 5 are sacramental rites?
episcopalchurch.org/page/sacraments
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aidanbradypop
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That’s is correct. Only baptism and eucharist are sacraments in TEC.
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esieffe
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I was always curious as to why the RCC would not allow Episcopalians /Anglicans to take communion at a Catholic Church because when I was one, we accepted the RP of Christ in the Host and Wine. The Priest or the Crucifer would even say “The body of Christ, the cup of salvation” as you took communion.
The only thing I can guess is that we did not partake in the sacrament of confession.
I asked two RC Priests of I could take communion while I was in OCI classes during my conversion to Catholicism and both said I needed to wait.
The only thing I can guess is that we did not partake in the sacrament of confession.
I asked two RC Priests of I could take communion while I was in OCI classes during my conversion to Catholicism and both said I needed to wait.
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aidanbradypop
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They want you to be in full communion with Rome.
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esieffe
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My father is a retired Episcopal Priest, and while this does not make me an expert by any means, I never heard that it was an optional belief. [However, because Dad was a Priest I would tell people that came to the door such as Mormons and JWs that I my salvation was secured under “blanket coverage!”] :bigyikes:
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Sy_Noe
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It’s good you are providing this Q&A opportunity to learn the truth about the Anglican/Episcopal faith. Often I’ve heard it said, from my understanding said erroneously, that TEC is pro choice or in favor of abortion on demand. But in fact isn’t abortion on demand as a means of birth control something not advocated? And while TEC recognizes a woman’s right under state law to terminate her pregnancy, the church condones abortion only in cases of rape or incest, or when a mother’s health is at risk, or in cases of fetal abnormalities. But the church does not support abortion as a means of birth control, family planning, sex selection or other means of convenience?
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Sy_Noe
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Does TEC welcome all baptized in the Trinitarian form to receive though?
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jimkhong
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Thanks, Dustin, for the offer and for advancing inter-religious understanding
First, just to share that my experience that High Church and Anglo-Catholics still differ. High Church still uses BCP while I have been in an Anglo-Catholic mass which uses the Catholic Order of Mass (except that they pray for the Pope, the Archbishop of Caterbury and the EP in the Eucharist Prayer - that was my only indication that I shouldn’t go for communion!). I should have (but didn’t) ask the priest whether he uses BCP on Sundays.
I have raised this point before in other threads but did not get a definitive answer, maybe because I didn’t phrase the question right. In the Latin Catholic Church, being in communion means that we share all the same faith (and we define that to death) and accept the same authority (of the bishop and of Rome). I suspect that the Anglican Communion do not have the same understanding even if the same words are used.
Is it that the term ‘same faith’ is interpreted a little more narrowly? In the Catholic Church, having woman priest would mean a different faith. Would the Anglican Communion exclude this point, for instance, from the term ‘same faith’?
Also, (I have related this before) I am reminded of the priest at my neighbourhood Anglican parish in London, who considers himself more in communion with the Presbyterian pastor down the road than with his High-church Bishop (traditionally, the Bishop of London is High Church and in fact the bishop at that point, Dr Graham, eventually converted to Catholicism after his retirement). Does this mean that there is less acceptance of the authority of one’s bishop? Could an Anglican priest accept his bishop’s juridical authority while looking elsewhere for doctrinal leadership?
I understand that the Anglican Communion is a broad church and as such, different opinions are accomodated within the same big tent. But, is it possible for two persons with different understanding of the term, ‘being in communion’ to say that they are in communion with each other? If so, how is this reconciled because a Catholic would see it as an oxymoron.
I hope I am not starting a debate here but this Catholic here is genuinely confused.
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aidanbradypop
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It is kind of like in Catholicism as well. We believe that the Eucharist is the RP of Christ, yet some do not believe. I know Catholics personally that do not believe in the RP. It baffles me.
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aidanbradypop
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TEC states that ALL human life is sacred from its inception until death. The Church takes seriously its obligation to help form the consciences of its members concerning this sacredness…We regard all abortion as having a tragic dimension, calling for the concern and compassion of all the Christian community. While we acknowledge that in this country it is the legal right of every woman to have a medically safe abortion, as Christians we believe strongly that if this right is exercised, it should be used only in extreme situations. We emphatically oppose abortion as a means of birth control, family planning, sex selection, or any reason of mere convenience.
Yes TEC welcomes all baptized to receive Holy Communion.
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ChurchSoldier
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From the 39 Articles: *XXV. Of the Sacraments.
Sacraments ordained of Christ be not only badges or tokens of Christian men’s profession, but rather they be certain sure witnesses, and effectual signs of grace, and God’s good will towards us, by the which he doth work invisibly in us, and doth not only quicken, but also strengthen and confirm our Faith in him.
There are two Sacraments ordained of Christ our Lord in the Gospel, that is to say, Baptism, and the Supper of the Lord.
Those five commonly called Sacraments, that is to say, Confirmation, Penance, Orders, Matrimony, and Extreme Unction, are not to be counted for Sacraments of the Gospel, being such as have grown partly of the corrupt following of the Apostles, partly are states of life allowed in the Scriptures, but yet have not like nature of Sacraments with Baptism, and the Lord’s Supper, for that they have not any visible sign or ceremony ordained of God.
The Sacraments were not ordained of Christ to be gazed upon, or to be carried about, but that we should duly use them. And in such only as worthily receive the same, they have a wholesome effect or operation: but they that receive them unworthily, purchase to themselves damnation, as Saint Paul saith.*
You can see in the highlighted parts the “anti-Catholic” bias. As with many things in Protestantism, these reflect the theological belief that one’s theology must begin where the Catholic church ends. Meaning the starting point is “the Catholic Church is wrong” so how can we form a theology which reflects Scripture but not Roman Catholicism. NOT the way to do theology.
BTW-Cranmer and Henry “kept” 3 Sacraments. Baptism, the Eucharist and Reconcilliation. (After all, how can you worthily receive without a good confession!)
Sacraments ordained of Christ be not only badges or tokens of Christian men’s profession, but rather they be certain sure witnesses, and effectual signs of grace, and God’s good will towards us, by the which he doth work invisibly in us, and doth not only quicken, but also strengthen and confirm our Faith in him.
There are two Sacraments ordained of Christ our Lord in the Gospel, that is to say, Baptism, and the Supper of the Lord.
Those five commonly called Sacraments, that is to say, Confirmation, Penance, Orders, Matrimony, and Extreme Unction, are not to be counted for Sacraments of the Gospel, being such as have grown partly of the corrupt following of the Apostles, partly are states of life allowed in the Scriptures, but yet have not like nature of Sacraments with Baptism, and the Lord’s Supper, for that they have not any visible sign or ceremony ordained of God.
The Sacraments were not ordained of Christ to be gazed upon, or to be carried about, but that we should duly use them. And in such only as worthily receive the same, they have a wholesome effect or operation: but they that receive them unworthily, purchase to themselves damnation, as Saint Paul saith.*
You can see in the highlighted parts the “anti-Catholic” bias. As with many things in Protestantism, these reflect the theological belief that one’s theology must begin where the Catholic church ends. Meaning the starting point is “the Catholic Church is wrong” so how can we form a theology which reflects Scripture but not Roman Catholicism. NOT the way to do theology.
BTW-Cranmer and Henry “kept” 3 Sacraments. Baptism, the Eucharist and Reconcilliation. (After all, how can you worthily receive without a good confession!)
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aidanbradypop
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Thanks, Dustin, for the offer and for advancing inter-religious understanding
My aunt, a very conservative Anglo Catholic, used the BCP. Some parishes may differ. There are some Anglicans that are not in the Anglican Communion that may use something besides the BCP. High Church does not always mean Anglo-Catholic but Anglo Catholics are usually high church.
There are actually three ways to describe Anglicans as far as tradition goes. High church would be the most traditional, low church would be like going to a Methodist or Baptist church, and broad church would mix both.
The status of full communion means, ideally, that there is mutual agreement on essential doctrines and that full participation in the sacramental life of each church is available to all communicant Anglicans. So I would agree that in full communion would not be the same as a Catholic saying they are in full communion with the bishop of Rome.
Not really sure exactly what you are asking here but I will give an answer that I think you are asking. The ELCA and TEC are in full communion with one another. Although we have som different beliefs on certain matters of faith, we celebrate what we do have in common for the greater good of sharing the Gospel. Does that answer it or am I way off? lol
I cannot speak for that priest, but some priest may feel a closer bond to Protestantism than Catholicism. My priest is more Anglo-Catholic rather than Protestant.
We seek what we have in common and pray for what we do not.
Hope I lowered the confusion a bit.
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aidanbradypop
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TEC has two but I have no problem with those 3
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ChurchSoldier
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I like that.
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Peter_J
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Not meaning to oversimplify, but the way I see it Anglicans are catholic and protestant. An RC priest can give an Anglican communion, but only is special circumstances. On the other hand, the Polish National Catholic Church is (if you will) “just catholic”, i.e. not catholic and protestant. There’s no problem with them receiving communion from an RC priest.
“We are not fishing in the Anglican pond.”
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